Discontinued MagickWand Vaporizer

stickstones

Vapor concierge
aesthyrian said:
I don't think bans quite works like that around here, the Mod's make their decisions that they are qualified to make, this isn't exactly a democracy.

I was about to say this. No need to vote here. Please move on to more productive banter.
 
stickstones,

max

Out to lunch
stickstones said:
No need to vote here.
2nd that. Show me a forum that's run as a democracy.

Please move on to more productive banter.
2nd that too, but since I wasn't here yesterday for the 'event', I'm gonna put in my :2c:

Posting here at FC, for a vape maker who's trying to get a new business moving, can be a real boost. But rules for manufacturers and retailers have been set, and it's important that they follow those rules, to prevent problems on the forum and to level the playing field as much as possible for all, including the vape makers and retailers who choose not to post much, or at all.

Having commercial entities post here is also a benefit to the members, both for getting new info first, maybe getting some inside info, and in some cases getting a discount and/or a chance to beta test a new product. But the rules aren't going to be bent or broken because of someone's status. As has been stated, the evidence in this case has been evaluated, and it's clear that the forum rules have been abused. Hipi has shown that he can't be satisfied to promote his products on their own merit, and has insisted on criticizing some of the competition to boost his models. A post he made back at the end of March of this year was removed shortly after it was posted, due to quite a few statements of opinion, posted as fact (referred to in Hipi's post, #138 in the Incognito thread). In addition, the post contained derogatory statements about 7th Floor products and Vriptech, which were not supported in any way with facts. And even if the facts had been there, vape makers are required to stick to their own products, and leave opinions as to which product is better, to the public.

This banning of a manufacturer was not done without careful consideration and discussion, and we regret that it had to be done. But we hope it will serve as an example that we mean business when it comes to rules for commercial posters. They have to obey member rules as well as the commercial ones. They have a responsibility to post in a professional manner, and our standards have evolved, over time, to the point where we have to demand that they adhere to the rules or face the consequences.

Hipi has good products and they merit consideration if the vape type and price fit your needs and your wallet. The threads for them will remain open, with business as usual. If he'd chosen to be more professional, with no attempts to portray his vapes as the best, at the expense of other brands, he'd still be here to contribute, and benefit.
 
max,

lwien

Well-Known Member
IAmKrazy2 said:
Edit # 2: Hey Lwien, how am i doing? It feels rather good to expose and fight knowing you are right.


Hey. I just came into this thread so I really didn't have any idea of what was going on here, but it looks like everything's been tidied up and put to bed.

Looks like ya did good, Krazy. Sometimes it's hard exposing the riff raft that goes on here sometimes but thank God we get members who take things to task when something smells really fishy and mods who will correct a problem once it's exposed.
 
lwien,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Not that i invented hot water but recently i use my MFLB battery
cap as a plug on to of my mw with huge success :) LOL
 
Abysmal Vapor,

MG23

Relaxin'
Abysmal Vapor said:
Not that i invented hot water but recently i use my MFLB battery
cap as a plug on to of my mw with huge success :) LOL

Can't believe I hadn't thought of this before ><
 
MG23,

High Sigh

SG addict
Despite all thats happened I still support HiPi, even if he is a liar. He caused no harm to anyone and his customer service is unmatched. I recently ordered a MW but messed up on the address,twice. Each time he went out of his way to fix it instantly to avoid any mistakes and he replied to all my emails within an hour, even late at night, now thats customer service! I will definitely continue to support this brand and what comes out of it.
 
High Sigh,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
High Sigh said:
Despite all thats happened I still support HiPi, even if he is a liar. He caused no harm to anyone and his customer service is unmatched. I recently ordered a MW but messed up on the address,twice. Each time he went out of his way to fix it instantly to avoid any mistakes and he replied to all my emails within an hour, even late at night, now thats customer service! I will definitely continue to support this brand and what comes out of it.
:cool:
 
Abysmal Vapor,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
High Sigh said:
Despite all thats happened I still support HiPi, even if he is a liar. He caused no harm to anyone and his customer service is unmatched. I recently ordered a MW but messed up on the address,twice. Each time he went out of his way to fix it instantly to avoid any mistakes and he replied to all my emails within an hour, even late at night, now thats customer service! I will definitely continue to support this brand and what comes out of it.

Poor timing for a first post like that. Makes you look like a joke. We'll keep our eye on more of your posts.
 
stickstones,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
Yea was thinking the same.. If you wanna help hipi vaporizers.. and if you are aware of the situation... you won't be posting these lame words.. Every post like that is making suspicion and is ruining the one's reputation you are trying to defend... and that is making the situation worst both for users and the manufacturer and is complicating the contact further more... So even if HiPi was so clever and sneaky seller using all unfair methods... he is clever enough to know that there is no sense in creating more fake accounts because it is very easy to keep track on lies and cheats inside an experienced community like this one :).. Which has numerous reports of fake products and bad sellers..
So any more post from users like that one might also considered to be some king of mock with HiPi situation and attempt to make things worst for his company..
So first prove your self and then defend products or you are making the products look cheap like your weightless opinion...
BTW Last thing i heard from HiPi few days ago is that he was currently working on the bag blowing device and there will be an update very soon ..
Abysmal Vapor : Hi. I just wanted to ask if there is any update on the bag blow ? Estimated cost ? When will it be aviable ?
[08.8.2011 . 23:14:48] Dr.Christopher Taylor: I am working on that now actually.
[08.8.2011 . 23:15:23] Dr.Christopher Taylor: I hope to show some information soon as I have many projects moving at the same time
 
Abysmal Vapor,

obelisk

Idiot (no relation to the Savants)
stickstones said:
Makes you look like a joke. .

you are pretty much calling out a person publicly who may very well just be a lurker who took the time to make this first post because he or she genuinely is enthusiastic about the company in question. i don't see Sigh's post as making anybody look like a joke, but yours definitely has potential, in my opinion. in fact, as a potential customer of this vaporizer, i can extract a lot more use out of Sigh's post than yours.
 

lwien

Well-Known Member
obelisk said:
stickstones said:
Makes you look like a joke. .

you are pretty much calling out a person publicly who may very well just be a lurker who took the time to make this first post because he or she genuinely is enthusiastic about the company in question. i don't see Sigh's post as making anybody look like a joke, but yours definitely has potential, in my opinion. in fact, as a potential customer of this vaporizer, i can extract a lot more use out of Sigh's post than yours.

Well obelisk, considering the content and timing of the quote in question and considering what you just stated to a mod here, the sub-head under your username is becoming a bit more clear. ;)
 
lwien,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
obelisk, I'm sure you can, since I didn't address the vape at all.

And High Sigh, if legit, needs to know what he/she just got set up for.

Hipi didn't do anything incredibly evil or destructive to the vape industry. And he seems to have good products and good service. But on this site, what he did was way out of line. We try to provide a place for truthful and educational banter about vaporizers, and that can't be done with people using multiple accounts to create slanted dialogue (especially manufacturers trying to creat buzz about their products). We also allow manufacturers to come here and post, but under a different set of rules. They normally don't get that privilege on other forums.

Using multiple accounts is hard to catch and can go unnoticed for a while. So when we KNOW someone is doing it, we drop the hammer and put the high alert on. Soooo...anyone showing up for the first time to post about how great Hipi and his products/services are, no matter how true it may be, is going to come under scrutiny from the mods as well as a lot of the active members here. Therefore, I feel I am doing High Sigh a service by letting him/her know what just got stepped in.

You're welcome.
 
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eddyfrancis

Active Member
Fair enough but maybe you shouldn't have used such harsh words. I wouldn't feel very welcome if my first post on a forum was referred to as a joke.
 
eddyfrancis,

obelisk

Idiot (no relation to the Savants)
stickstones said:
obelisk, I'm sure you can, since I didn't address the vape at all.

And High Sigh, if legit, needs to know what he/she just got set up for.

Hipi didn't do anything incredibly evil or destructive to the vape industry. And he seems to have good products and good service. But on this site, what he did was way out of line. We try to provide a place for truthful and educational banter about vaporizers, and that can't be done with people using multiple accounts to create slanted dialogue (especially manufacturers trying to creat buzz about their products). We also allow manufacturers to come here and post, but under a different set of rules. They normally don't get that privilege on other forums.

Using multiple accounts is hard to catch and can go unnoticed for a while. So when we KNOW someone is doing it, we drop the hammer and put the high alert on. Soooo...anyone showing up for the first time to post about how great Hipi and his products/services are, no matter how true it may be, is going to come under scrutiny from the mods as well as a lot of the active members here. Therefore, I feel I am doing High Sigh a service by letting him/her know what just got stepped in.

stick, being a mod is tough and thankless. and, to be honest, you are alright. Max is the hard-ass around here (though, i have come to sincerely appreciate him over time). mine was just a knee-jerk reaction to what i thought was a very rude post.

despite the logic, if that is indeed what it was, that lwein, seemingly, pointed to in his post, it is not necessarily true, and perhaps not even likely, that High Sigh is a fake. if i am going to be called an idiot because of that opinion, so be it. if idiocy was an option, it would not be one i'd consciously make. but that is not the issue.

perhaps there is a way for mods to be mods and not be rude or condescending, etc. at the same time. that's all. you are nobody to tell anyone they seem like a joke. that was out of line.
 
obelisk,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
obelisk, in a normal situation I would agree with you, as I am usally the one to tell lwien to take it easy on the newbies. But this situation is fucked up. For the record, I didn't say high sigh was a joke, but rather that his first post makes himself look like one. And given this situation, we will be looking at any first posters as possible problems.

Bottom line, most of this shit we are talking about is borderline semantics and is always a problem when posting in a forum as opposed to a face to face conversation. But fuck this shit! Let's get vaked and move on...I like people!

Let's talk vapes!
 
stickstones,

High Sigh

SG addict
The reason for my first post was not to defend HiPi or promote his product but I wanted to give my opinion on the subject based on my recent experience with him ( i just ordered my MW on Friday). Ive been reading this forum for a while and specifically this thread but never needed a reason to post until now.
 
High Sigh,

lwien

Well-Known Member
High Sigh, considering what has been going on in this thread recently, did it not occur to you that if you posted what you did in your very first post, that it would be thought of as being suspect?
 
lwien,

High Sigh

SG addict
Yes but i'm not doing anything wrong so nothing can be done. I should have just as much a right to post as anyone else on this forum.
 
High Sigh,

lwien

Well-Known Member
High Sigh said:
Yes but i'm not doing anything wrong so nothing can be done. I should have just as much a right to post as anyone else on this forum.


Whoa there. The fact is, is that you, as well as the rest of us are guests here and as such, ANYTHING can be done. This is a privately owned site and to suggest that "nothing" can be done is ludicrous. Whatever rights you or anyone else has here is subject to the site owners and mods.

I always find it amusing when people come into a site and think that it is some form of democracy that is subject to the will of the people. When you join a privately owned site, you are a guest in someone else's house and as such, not that it would happen here, but if they so wished, they could ban you for the color of your hair.
 
lwien,

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
High Sigh said:
Yes but i'm not doing anything wrong so nothing can be done. I should have just as much a right to post as anyone else on this forum.
Good point :) . Welcome then. May be you've notice this thread :) .. http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=237&p=29.. If you like you can share with us smth bout your self or your experience with vaporizers :) .
Hope you enjoy joining the party :). This is one of the very few forums where no one is trying to offend anybody :) and everyone's enlightened bursting brains are just trying to prove their point :) .

Not easy to find even simple glass piece round where i live but :) I just bought a piece of Artistique bongs with model name Michelangelo :). a straight 45 cm with 45 mm diameter straight ice tube :) which i found to work awesome with my mw ... The air control is top notch... and that ice especially when crushed creates more complicated air path than most percolators on the market can produce ( i dont know if that is a plus for everyone .. but i get cooler ,tastier and more gentle vapor )... I enjoy the mw twice as much with this type of bong ( long narrow straing tube :) I saw this bong online on most bong shops and it is very affordable too... I highly recomend use of bong of that type with the mw :).

 
Abysmal Vapor,

LiquidDreams

VapeHead
lwien said:
High Sigh said:
Yes but i'm not doing anything wrong so nothing can be done. I should have just as much a right to post as anyone else on this forum.


Whoa there. The fact is, is that you, as well as the rest of us are guests here and as such, ANYTHING can be done. This is a privately owned site and to suggest that "nothing" can be done is ludicrous. Whatever rights you or anyone else has here is subject to the site owners and mods.

I always find it amusing when people come into a site and think that it is some form of democracy that is subject to the will of the people. When you join a privately owned site, you are a guest in someone else's house and as such, not that it would happen here, but if they so wished, they could ban you for the color of your hair.

The rules are stated very clearly in the rule section. High Sigh hasn't broken any rules. So, yeah he does have every right to say what he has said. Whoever the private owner of the site is can arbitrarily do whatever the hell he/she wants with this forum. But if that happens, and things are just ran willy nilly to whatever the liking of the owner is, this forum will have no credibility, which will eventually lead to no traffic or members. This hasn't been how things have been ran and the reason why people come here and use it. Internet mods are Very Serious People. :lol:
 
LiquidDreams,

aesthyrian

Blaaaaah
stickstones said:
And given this situation, we will be looking at any first posters as possible problems.

Really? Critiquing the innocent to hopefully find the guilty? I don't think that statement will encourage many people to hop on board here and register. And I, for one, would love to see this forum grow even more.

I just don't think that every new account is HiPi, and if you guys are thinking so then I think the paranoia from the weed is hitting you a bit too hard. We should welcome new members, right?

Does this forum have a way of banning multiple accounts from being registered from the same I.P.? I know this wont solve everything but could be a simple preventative measure. :2c:

I will go as far as to say what others have said, HiPi's customer service in my experience was excellent and he even went above and beyond for me like he seems to have done for others here. I'm not condoning his actions at all, and frankly they disgust me so much that I don't feel "right" vaping out of his products any longer and definitely do not endorse his products or him. But I do not think that being honest (unlike HiPi) and telling others about your positive experience dealing with HiPi should single you out as a shill or fake or anything like that. Someone shouldn't be afraid to speak positive about a product they honestly enjoy, and people are still going to say good things about HiPi and his products, but that doesn't immediately mean it's another fake account. At some point this is a reality we'll have to accept. :peace:
 
aesthyrian,

stickstones

Vapor concierge
any first poster who posts like high sigh did in this particular thread at this particular time.

this thread is so off topic that if it doesn't get back on track soon I'll either have to clean it up (move posts) or shut it down if no one wants to talk about the magicwand.

and this is exactly why we have a rule about not publicly questioning mod decisions. I'm happy to email back and forth ad nauseum with anyone who wants to, but we are done talking about this here.
 
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