Vaporizing just isn't my sorta thing? give me ur opinion, please?

Hey guys, I tried using the search tool for something on this sort of thing (sorry i am new and wanted to introduce myself too lol)

but basically i wanted to just see how many of you still smoke and talk a little about my experiences...

I'm from the UK and have smoked cannabis for 3 years now very heavily, over here it is normal to mix your joints with tobacco or cigarettes and the same with smoking bongs.

so obviously by doing this i didn't get the true high of the herb, The smoking became to much for me so i decided to put the ROOR bong down and invest in a vaporizer....

I went for the Extreme Q and have since quit cigarettes. The vaporizer is good no doubt, but obviously its not the buzz I'm used to when being 'high' because of the nicotine and other nasty chemicals...

Because of the above i have found 2 things:

1. I'm lacking in the couch lock zoned buzz i was used to - so i used the vape weed for cooking with and got the buzz i was after lol

2. But also where i had given up tobacco i wanted to experience smoking it like most people smoke weed do 'pure'... obviously i had done it before but i'm starting to experience it through my ROOR a little bit more, lets say one clean bowl a day -

in your opinion is smoking pure like that a lot worse for me? do you people smoke pure often still? should i just stick to the extreme Q and leave the ROOR's alone completely... cus although i'd love to do that the Q is just lacking in the high I'm used to..

i guess what i'm trying to say is : although i'm not smoking tobacco in anyway should i still smoke the herb or should i just vape?


Well one things for sure I'm high and couldn't work this out for myself and thought i'd write it out and introduce myself.... i'd appreciate any feedback, thanks for reading if you did and didn't die of boredom

happy blazing

griff9

One last thing just to say i've had a good play about with the EXTREME Q with temps between 190 and 220 and it just dont seem to give me the sorta high i'd like if you know what i mean?

I think the general consensus here will be just to vape.

You can try increasing the temp higher for more couchlock. Or you can try vaping already vaped weed and see if that gives you the results you are looking for.

You may simply need more time to get the hang of it.

Best of luck.

I think you are suffering from the switchover from combustion to vapors. There is a bit of a learning curve at first to be certain. It seems vaping is different for just about everyone and there are a lot of variables that make one session better/worse than the others.

My first guess would be that since you typically would combine tobacco with your herb to smoke, perhaps you should try grinding the same proportion of tobacco into your herb before you vape it. You are likely missing the nicotine when you vape. *note ( I am not advocating tobacco use, I am simply pointing out that the tobacco buzz may well be the part of the "session" you are missing)

1. No Couch lock is likely due to vaping at a low temp, at higher temps you will release more cbds and chemicals with the sedative effect.

2. You can likely route your vape through your roor and take larger hits that way, if you are trying to get away from smoking entirely,... smoking a little bit won't help much,but...a bong is still better than straight. imho cold turkey is the way to go but that is just opinion.

The above posts say what I would have Good luck!

griff9, all the above advice is good. You are experiencing what a lot of us have experienced when switching over. But, IMO, it is compounded by your quitting tobacco. Since you have already broken the tobacco habit, why go backwards and add it in? Give yourself a deadline of say, two weeks, to get used to the newer vape buzz. If you are like the majority of us, you will find that at the end of that two weeks, you will not like the taste of combusting anymore. You will also probably realize that you are higher than you used to be after combusting; but it is a different type of high.

My favorite line (of my own) is that I'm just not getting as high as I used to when I combusted. I usually say this after doing some really spaced out, buzz head thing..

edited: Also want to welcome you to the forum griff9!

thanks for the replies guys, didn't expect this many people to read my drivel let alone reply lol.

and i understand where you both are coming from Vapenstien's Monster and Lo, i will try knocking the vape up a notch, and i know what you mean about the lack of nicotine but i've been chewing the gum when at work.

thing is i don't think its the nicotine cus i mean when i have a chronic bowl on the ROOR (have been having like one a day) but that will get me to where i want to be

and i'm planning on hooking my roor up to my vape but i can't really see it doing the trick either, i think your definitely right in saying that its the switch over... i think theres just some chemical other the nicotine in those high burning temperatures in smoke that my body seems to crave lol....

and thanks momofthegoons its nice to hear others who have experienced the switch over.. in fact your 'favorite line' is exactly what i'm experiencing now, i think its just gonna take time...

anyway im sorry for talking rubbish on ur forum lol, but....

could you tell me if i'm right in assuming that most of the people on here have never been addicted to or smoked tobacco with there cannabis..

I was a heavy smoker for more than 25 years but gave up cigs when I discovered electronic cigs. THen I found my way here and started vaping my herb as well. There are many of us who were or are smokers though here in the states most don't mix tobacco with their cannabis.

There is a transition period...have some patience. I never thought I'd quit smoking anything yet now... I can't stand to smoke at all either tobacco or cannabis. You might find yourself no longer enjoying smoke once you get used to vapor but not everyone quits on day one, some still smoke too. There is no right answer Good luck.

nah, i think we have a lot of ex / cigarette smokers, and people who've been roped into smoking european style.

When you vape you don't get the carbon monoxide, benzene, toluene, etc..... that you get when you smoke. All of which i say is good, but contributes more in my opinion to your stone, not your high. But that may well be what you're missing.

Lo - thanks for your input very interesting indeed i can't see myself getting to that stage with vapour cus i fear my tolerance is to high to get me where i wanna be even though i see others write different on here and say they use less herb.... hmm i feel pleased i came on here though my will power is re-energised...... time to fill the bag of vapour ninja style

massive thanks to everyone else who's had the time to write back to me, i really thought i was just gonna get hounded for posting in the wrong place and blah!! i'm not really a forum type of person lol well am now

griff9 said:

could you tell me if i'm right in assuming that most of the people on here have never been addicted to or smoked tobacco with there cannabis..

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I think there are folks on this site from all walks, uses and so on. Personally I have been addicted to tobacco and on occasion mixed it with my cannabis. I always saw myself as a "purest" when I used to smoke tho, didn't much care to mix the two. In my travels I have found a small %, maybe 15-20% of folks in larger or should I say more cosmopolitan US and Canadian (and Australian) cities will mix their tobacco and cannabis. I find in the EU there is more mixing of hash and tobacco and like you say in the UK more cannabis and tobacco. In any of the 3rd world countries I have been to cannabis is generally smoked outright in a pipe (clay, dugout or chillum or paper bag as a rolling paper) and not mixed with much of anything. **except some seeds stems and nastyness HAHAHAHAHAH**

my point was/is, I think there are folks on this forum that share your pain, haha you are not alone

No problem Griff. I will say when I first tried vaping, I laughed and then fired it up...course it was a crappy vape but still, there was a transition period when I got a real vape lol. You might be surprised down the line how your tune may change also.

Stick with it Griff - I'm a fellow UK vapist and am 1 year totally combustion free on Friday!
Like you I usually mixed weed and tobacco (for over twenty years!).
It took me a couple of weeks with shitty sleep to break the nicotine addiction.
I can safely say I'll never combust again.
Definitely hook up your ROOR to the Q. I use a SSFG travel beaker with a showerhead diffy and you can get huge clouds which is probably what you need to get you over the hump.

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When you vape you don't get the carbon monoxide, benzene, toluene, etc..... that you get when you smoke. All of which i say is good, but contributes more in my opinion to your stone, not your high. But that may well be what you're missing.

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That is exactly what he's missing.

You could try to acquire some known strain with high CBD %, and see if that would do the trick.

Vaping is not for everyone. I know plenty of people who do not like vaping. It could be that it takes longer for you get the sensation from vaping compared to smoking. It could be the aspects already listed.

The first time I tried vaping, I didn't see anything redeeming in it whatsoever. I had been combusting for 44 years and didn't see any reason to change. Then, my cough got so bad that I was faced with quitting altogether. That put a whole new spin on vaping for me. It was either convert or quit. Converting was the only answer for me. It took me that two weeks plus to get to the point that I realized I was high; quite high. The effect was so different that I really had to adjust. Now, I love the clear, more cerebral high I get from vaping as opposed to the couch lock of smoking. I would never go back, even if health issues weren't a factor, and I find that to be the case with everybody I know that makes the change and sticks with it through the "learning curve."

griff9 said:

could you tell me if i'm right in assuming that most of the people on here have never been addicted to or smoked tobacco with there cannabis..

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I started smoking cannabis in 1984, and only used weed/tobacco mixture. Got me hooked on (you guessed it) cigarettes. Stopped smoking 1998, and only started vaporizing in December/09.

I didn't really notice the change over from smoking weed/tobacco to just vaporizing it. As a matter of fact, I got a *lot* higher, and still do.

I use the Extreme .v3 mostly in whip mode. My preferred use is to hit 0.2g at 190C ~20 times over the course of an evening. If I want to get 'stupid', I'll either ramp it up to 200, or 210, or load a fresh bowl and restart at 190C. Occasionally, I'll start off at 140C for other effects.

Keep at it, and enjoy

Tom

This thread almost deserves to be stickied. Very important topic to those who are experiencing vapor for the first time.

And to griff........ for quitting tobacco. THAT is one of the best things you can do for yourself and like most things that are worthwhile............one of the hardest.

Like those that I have already relied, stick with vaping for a bit. Give your body and mind a time to adjust. While it's true that vaping is not for everyone, it is definitely worth the effort to find out if it is worth it to you.

lwien said:

This thread almost deserves to be stickied. Very important topic to those who are experiencing vapor for the first time.

And to griff........ for quitting tobacco. THAT is one of the best things you can do for yourself and like most things that are worthwhile............one of the hardest.

Like those that I have already relied, stick with vaping for a bit. Give your body and mind a time to adjust. While it's true that vaping is not for everyone, it is definitely worth the effort to find out if it is worth it to you.

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I like the idea of having a discussion on the expectations/experiences of initial people who vaporize or the like. Their are a vast many factors and it is no easy fix for people having issues when it comes to switching from smoking to vaporizing. I have dealt with issues with people ranging from heat to ease of inhalation to preparing the meds.

A discussion where people discuss that aspect of their vapist time line could be very helpful along with current perspectives and issues with people switching that are having issues. I second the sticky hehe. Which I think will be pretty much by being used often. The name of the thread says it all.

I still often combust, nothing wrong with that in my opinion
I don't vape for healthreasons tough(altough it's a nice side-effect that it's more healthy)
I vape because I like the vapehigh more, also never had a transition period
I also don't like strains with too much indica-effect in it, that's why I like the vapehigh better
but for the variation I like to combust, and it's easier with friends and in the cold outside when I don't want to stand outside too long
and hash I also find more effective when combusting

The whole vaping is not for everyone thing really bothers me most of the time.

With the advances in vaporizer technology and cannabis knowledge in general I find this hard to believe.

I can use my da buddha or MFLB to more or less determine the effects I want. When I want to sleep I vape hot and always get the couchlock stoned high. When I have shit to do I vape lightly and never find myself tired.

I think a majority of it is mental to be honest. I have friends who insist that they can't get as high when they vape, and yet I've seen them higher than ever using one of my vapes. They STILL will not admit it. Personally, I think vaping will do the trick for anyone IF you are willing to stick with it and learn to do it correctly.

There are certain CBD/CBN's that can only be had through combustion. There are also those that desire, no matter how toxic they may be, the full compliment of benzine, carbon monoxide, etc etc etc, due to the nature of the high that they provide...........so to say that vaping IS for everyone is just not true.

I think it could be accurately stated that NOTHING is for everyone, and that includes vaporizing.

hook up your roor and keep practicing. youll learn to love vaping.

Many people have posted the same problem as yours when switching to vaporizing for the first time, all that I can remember have reported back with success after a while.

A couple simple things that have worked for people in the past.

1) If you can manage, try taking a week or two break from any Cannabis consumption, it's what we call a "T Break" and it will should lower your tolerance to the point where it would be you never stopped smoking.

2) Crank your Extreme all the way up, pack the ELBOW instead of the Cyclone Bowl, then hook the Extreme to your Roor by the whip. This will provide that lung hammering, shotgun effect that you get from clearing a milked bong.

3) Hold your hits in longer than you would if smoking. They say that vapor absorbs slower than smoke so it takes longer for it to take effect, so doubling that period should have a positive effect.

darkrom said:

The whole vaping is not for everyone thing really bothers me most of the time.

With the advances in vaporizer technology and cannabis knowledge in general I find this hard to believe.

I can use my da buddha or MFLB to more or less determine the effects I want. When I want to sleep I vape hot and always get the couchlock stoned high. When I have shit to do I vape lightly and never find myself tired.

I think a majority of it is mental to be honest. I have friends who insist that they can't get as high when they vape, and yet I've seen them higher than ever using one of my vapes. They STILL will not admit it. Personally, I think vaping will do the trick for anyone IF you are willing to stick with it and learn to do it correctly.

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I agree with this, cannabis is not meant to be smoked by humans, nothing is. If you vape at 428F you can get every useful unique chemical of cannabis, above that is just plant matter. Which is not unique to cannabis, its the same plant matter in the bushes and treas and green tea we drink. Most people vape around 390F and stop there, if you have an acurate digital vape try going to 428F where you will get all the good effects of a combustion high(even though it tastes gross), minus the effects created by burnt generic plant matter. Your body is still dependent on the effects from the combusted plant matter, once it gets out of your system the true vape high will feel so right and great.

I agree you're vaping way too low. I'm not familiar with your vape or how accurate the temperature may be, but I vape at average 365 degrees F, and it works just fine.

Some people just aren't into vaping, but I believe a portion of these just haven't done it right. I have a friend who says vaping just doesn't appeal to her, and she is also a cigarette smoker. I'm the opposite and have been against smoking anything for a long time. I had tried cannabis once or twice but always thought smoking was disgusting and so I stayed away from it. Edibles and the vaporizer changed the game entirely and opened up a world previously uncharted for me.