who? wtf does Jesus have to do with christianity?
Christianity and Weed
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Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Revvy said:
I've never seen the scripture that says that. Can you tell me that one?
You're argument confuses me a little. God is love and he is compassionate. So, the people that live in medical marijuana states are ok with God, but not the people in pain that may live in other states, because Caesar says so? Even though God has already told us he gave us all plants, seeds, etc.
God is ok with some people suffering in pain because they live on a certain piece of land on this planet? I'm sorry, I don't believe God is that way.
Carbon
Well-Known Member
That's the problem when you have a bunch of different authors.Stu said:
I don't this cannabis and Christianity have much to do with each other. As long as you are responsible in your consumption (whether it be cannabis or ethanol), I don't think anyone should judge you, be it your parents, church, or friends.
If you can't hold down a decent job because you're stoned all day, then that may be at odds with your religion and basic human values.
5446ThatsMyNumber
Well-Known Member
Vicki said:
I'm actually a California medical patient, so I can relate to you. I think that some Christian groups have stated positive support for medical marijuana for patients with pain or severe conditions (because... what do you know... it actually works!). In my case, I used it for a severe anxiety/phobia disorder, which cannabis has helped me with. However, now I think I can manage and live without weed. In the end, in my personal case, my conscience says that it will be dishonoring my parents, and so I will be following through and not smoking/vaping anymore.
I will miss it though, as it's pretty much a great cure for boredom/depression. Not to mention how great it makes music, food, sleep, and essentially everything better. Matthew 16:24-26 says, "Then Jesus said to his disciples, 'Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?'"
So in a sense, sobriety will be akin to denying myself and taking up my cross daily.
Just to clarify what brought me to this was accepting that there was a God, and thinking about eternity (only one of many reasons). I thought about the 80 or so years on this earth, which in comparison to infinity or eternity, is as small as a piece of sand. For me, who doesn't have pain or a severe medical condition, and who enjoys it for recreation and anxiety about equally, it wasn't worth eternity in hell.
This is my opinion, and my personal conclusion. You may belittle me as you wish, as you are entitled to your opinion. I didn't want to push religion on anyone, just wanted some input, and enjoyed reading the responses. Thank you for keeping it civil, as I know religion and politics can get nasty fast. For those of you who are genuinely interested in Christianity or religion, I suggest that as with anything, you do your extensive research and talk to a variety of people. Just be careful of 1. kooky people out there who twist fundamental beliefs of any religion, and 2. verses taken out of context.
I hope I didn't criticize, offend, or turn people away from investigating Christianity/religion for themselves. Moreover, I am not saying that if you smoke weed, you will go to hell, as I only know two things, 1. There is a God, and 2. I am not him. This will be my last post here, and for the short time I've been a part, it was awesome. You guys are an intelligent, fun, and slightly neurotic bunch.
Peace!
notmyrealUSERname
Notmy Well-Known Member
should i look for your last post in the for sale section? 
i respect your decision and the fact that you intend to stick to your beliefs. its not always easy to live what/how we believe.
i respect your decision and the fact that you intend to stick to your beliefs. its not always easy to live what/how we believe.
Revvy
Well-Known Member
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.Vicki said:
Don't think Paul's talking about an earthly judgment for those who are rebelling against God's institution. You're getting confused because you think God is all loving.
aero18
vaporist
Vicki said:
I don't see the love or compassion. The Christian doctrine teaches that we have inherited a sinful nature, which as you know, we needed to be "saved" from since it would lead us to hell. Who made this sinful nature inheritable? God. Who made the wages of sin death? God. Who condemned each one of us to a world wrought by plague and disease because of the sins of our ancestors? God.
The savior and condemner are one and the same.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Here we go. Apologies to the OP. Guess we can't help ya out without discussing the existence or non-existence of God which can be a darn good discussion as long as we can engage each other on our different beliefs without attacking the believer or nonbeliever.
So far, so good..................you fucking heathens.
So far, so good..................you fucking heathens.
charliedontsurf
Medical
Stu said:
But in Christian doctrine, god is omniscient and omnipotent, which means that we were made by god to be exactly as intended. God IS and WAS and WILL BE responsible for all things, he even IS everything.
In a sense, the monotheistic god common to the world's largest religions equates to nothing more in my mind than a cosmic space-baby playing with itself for all eternity. God IS reality, space, time, humanity, heaven, hell. He's some cosmic simpleton entertaining himself for all of eternity. What a flattering deity to prostrate yourself before.
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Revvy said:
The earthly governments and authorities are established by Satan. The Bible says Satan is the Father of this world, when he was cast from heaven down to Earth. It is his influence that has caused so much suffering. Rebeling against authority that is goverened by Satan, I will rebel sometimes, yes, without a guilty conscience with God. I am no troublemaker by any means, and I pay Caesar's things to Caesar.
In the case of cannabis, of course I rebel. It's my medicine. I would also rebel if they said I could not worship God anymore. I'm not a blind follower of people in this world, and I pray about everything that is important to me. I have prayed about these subjects, and I know God is not displeased with me by using a plant as medicine.
God may not be all loving, but I do like the scripture that says, "God is love." I know he is also fair and just in his judgments and punishments. He takes everything into account because he knows everything about us.
Revvy
Well-Known Member
Vicki said:
Romans 13:1 said:
Proverbs 8:15 said:
Earthly governments are very clearly established, supported, and legitimized by God according to the bible.John 19:11 said:
The bible says nothing about Satan being cast down from Heaven. That was written by Jonh Milton much, much later.Vicki said:
Putting weed on the same level as worshiping God is a bit sacrilegious, no? God doesn't care about your health or wellbeing. If he did, you very simply would not be in pain.Vicki said:
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Revvy said:
Um, yes it does. I am beginning to wonder if you have read the Bible at all. Here is where it is told in Revelation:
Revelation 12: 7-12
7 "Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back."
8 "But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven."
9 "The great dragon was hurled downthat ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."
10 "Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:"
"Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down."
11 "They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12 "Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."
Revvy said:
I cannot believe you said God doesn't care about us. Again, I am questioning your knowledge of the Bible. Of course he does. Just one example:
Luke 12:7:
"Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."
And, I never put weed on the same level as God. You are twisting my words, and if you scroll back, you have not even answered some of my questions.
Lo
Combustion free since '09
I was always taught to stay away from religion & politic debates to keep things civil when in mixed company or public. Now I don't really live by that rule all the time as I enjoy debating controversial topics amongst friends or the likes. I just don't like to see when things turn ugly. Don't want that to happen here either.
I think people can believe whatever they want to. Not up to me to tell folks what to believe nor for them to tell me what to believe.
Many folks, different backgrounds, different beliefs and that is okay... we share our love of the vape
I think people can believe whatever they want to. Not up to me to tell folks what to believe nor for them to tell me what to believe.
Many folks, different backgrounds, different beliefs and that is okay... we share our love of the vape
Vicki
Herbal Alchemist
Lo said:I was always taught to stay away from religion & politic debates to keep things civil when in mixed company or public. Now I don't really live by that rule all the time as I enjoy debating controversial topics amongst friends or the likes. I just don't like to see when things turn ugly. Don't want that to happen here either.
I think people can believe whatever they want to. Not up to me to tell folks what to believe nor for them to tell me what to believe.
Many folks, different backgrounds, different beliefs and that is okay... we share our love of the vape
This is also why I avoid these types of discussions 99.9% of the time. I'm not into arguing, it's a real buzzkill.
I think I'll go vap a trench.
VWFringe
Naruto Fan
Back in May there was a shortage of hash in Egypt. I thought that "might" mean it didn't have the stigma is does here. I asked someone from there, a college aged guy, who kindly explained that even if the USA didn't lean on other countries to keep it illegal, it would never be in the Muslim religion, even though it isn't specifically mentioned like alcohol is, because nothing that makes you lose your self, or be anything but completely responsible for your actions, is not allowed. And, their thinking is that even if it takes a lot to get you messed up - then even a little isn't allowed.
i hate it, but that's another facet for you, albeit from the Muslim religion.
Now, for myself, I believe God's with us all day every day, and even takes time to put situations in our way, all day long, that call to us to see the truth of what is going on...I'm not usually listening, but...I don't believe in coincidence, just devine intervention. But even though I see this as a form of communication, or God telling us things, the messages are for each person, they are the only one's who can interpret his meaning for any given situation, because a large part of it is how they reacted - the automatic dramas they tend to run, the mind-talk they tend to have about others, themselves and life in general (I got this all from Brad Brown and Roy Whitten who developed the Life Training Program, which is now the More To Life organization.
But, I am not convinced he's ever spoken to anyone directly about substance abuse...I tend to think its just people doing stuff they think he'd like. so, while I can appreciate what the gentleman from Egypt told me, and how it ties into religion as a way to bind us all together, I'm not a part of any organized religion, except on Easter and Christmas, so I get to keep vaping.
I don't think you can get an answer free from the Politics of the drug and the religions and all of the people who helped to develop the rules. It's from them that they have evolved. just my 2 cents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis
i hate it, but that's another facet for you, albeit from the Muslim religion.
Now, for myself, I believe God's with us all day every day, and even takes time to put situations in our way, all day long, that call to us to see the truth of what is going on...I'm not usually listening, but...I don't believe in coincidence, just devine intervention. But even though I see this as a form of communication, or God telling us things, the messages are for each person, they are the only one's who can interpret his meaning for any given situation, because a large part of it is how they reacted - the automatic dramas they tend to run, the mind-talk they tend to have about others, themselves and life in general (I got this all from Brad Brown and Roy Whitten who developed the Life Training Program, which is now the More To Life organization.
But, I am not convinced he's ever spoken to anyone directly about substance abuse...I tend to think its just people doing stuff they think he'd like. so, while I can appreciate what the gentleman from Egypt told me, and how it ties into religion as a way to bind us all together, I'm not a part of any organized religion, except on Easter and Christmas, so I get to keep vaping.
I don't think you can get an answer free from the Politics of the drug and the religions and all of the people who helped to develop the rules. It's from them that they have evolved. just my 2 cents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_and_spiritual_use_of_cannabis
vapirtoo
Well-Known Member
Metaphysical speculation used to be a real turn-on
until I realized that this continuing moment is all we
have, and we should be in wonder and awe over this
simple reality and make the most out of each moment.
To the OP ,we are all conditioned by our culture; is it
right to question that conditioning?
until I realized that this continuing moment is all we
have, and we should be in wonder and awe over this
simple reality and make the most out of each moment.
To the OP ,we are all conditioned by our culture; is it
right to question that conditioning?
Durden
I am Jack's title
"Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities---the political, the religious, the educational authorities---who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing---forming in our minds---their view of reality...
...Think for yourself, question authority. "
This thread is amusing.
...Think for yourself, question authority. "
This thread is amusing.
VWFringe
Naruto Fan
Durden said:"Throughout human history, as our species has faced the frightening, terrorizing fact that we do not know who we are, or where we are going in this ocean of chaos, it has been the authorities---the political, the religious, the educational authorities---who attempted to comfort us by giving us order, rules, regulations, informing---forming in our minds---their view of reality...
...Think for yourself, question authority. "
This thread is amusing.
here, here!
and as those authoritize wrote it up, they missed something, in that they ended up saying, "buy into our explanation of the experience these people had, and you will be saved," but it was those people who went before us who wanted the message to be, "get the experience I had, and you will be saved."