Simple Cure for Coughing and Wheezing: Lower Temps and Smaller Hits?

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I recommend getting an essential oil diffuser/humidifier for the room,mint ,dill,thyme,camomile help a ton. Vape only trough water filtration ot at least put some very fine mesh like 500 in you mp. Vaping white sage causes great relief also. If you have problems with mucus or excess liquid in your respiratory system,when making strong hits so of that liquid /mucus from a sore throat goes into lungs and cause further discomfort.
Get or make yourself a nasal spray with himalaya salt or any other like 1-2% ,also garge before you go to bed and in the morning with very salty water,as much as comfortable. You can also gargle with water and lemon juice,eating garlic and spciy food also helps.
All in all when you feel congested/irritated dont do heroic draws,keep temps low,add filtration and keep vaping to a minimum.
 
Polarbearboy

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I was watching a youtube review by Senior Stoner Studios and he uses a mouthpiece filter with his bong/bubbler. He swears by the MouthPeace with internal charcoal filter. Anyone tried one of these? I've ordered one--I'm trying anything and everything to keep vaping. I'd never heard of it, but here's the link for anyone potentially interested: https://mooselabs.us/

Also, and with the same intent, I just ordered a larger bubbler with more perc action than my current small bubbler, and a couple of different ash catcher to try running the vapor through a series of water tools.
 
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LesPlenty

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Polarbearboy said:
Senior Stoner
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They are usually used with combusting, that Senior Stoner is a concentrate waster, I have never seen anyone else do so many cigar puffs when dabbing so I would not take too much notice of his advice.:2c:
The ash catchers will smooth the vapor more but will also rob some meds and vapor...but you might be able to enjoy more product so all good.:tup:
 
Polarbearboy

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LesPlenty said:
They are usually used with combusting, that Senior Stoner is a concentrate waster, I have never seen anyone else do so many cigar puffs when dabbing so I would not take too much notice of his advice.:2c:
The ash catchers will smooth the vapor more but will also rob some meds and vapor...but you might be able to enjoy more product so all good.:tup:
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Don't you think its wonderful that an old man like Senior Stoner takes so many puffs at his age!
 
tokenknifeguy

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I really find that most things other than glass or even ceramics, gives off a certain harshness. I've even noticed it from just using metal screens. I have a glass screen stem enano and an adjustable enano metal screen and I notice an added harshness. I also found the dynavap to be very harsh in this regard and why I pretty much gave up using it.

Maybe check out the elev8r with the water pipe adapter. The only thing is the metal screen but everything else is glass and the heating element is glass or quartz. Maybe see if the irritation stays or subsides with a more pure vapor path.
 
invertedisdead

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tokenknifeguy said:
I really find that most things other than glass or even ceramics, gives off a certain harshness
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:nod::nod::nod::nod::nod::nod: Yeah!!

The elephant in the room that people don't wanna accept is all these differences in smoothness, or flavor - come from the vapor reacting within the vaporizer.

One vaporizer doesn't provide better tasting vapor than another because of magic, it's because of chemistry.

tokenknifeguy said:
I've even noticed it from just using metal screens
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AGREED! ;pd;
 
TommyDee

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@Polarbearboy - What exactly is vaping doing? Is it bronchial or the actual air sacks and lung mass? My issues are broncial based on some fertilizers or pesticides. Our state is pretty good about testing for illegal stuff and exceeding limits but I am sensitive to some that are used on lower cost harvests. I find a similar tendency with higher THC products. The way it presents is a thicker mucus causing the hack of sorts. And it is not limited to flower either making concentrates from crap flower particularly troublesome.

I became sensitive to this when still smoking. I ended up using TP in the bong to deal with filtering. Worked out very well and didn't take away from the experience in the least. When I started vaping, same thing. Crap weed was 2 days of hacking - good week, no issues what-so-ever. Point being, you may have picked up a new sensitivity and your body's coping mechanism is the thing to manage. Shopping for weed for me is a crapshoot. I know within a day if I error'd in a stocking purchase.
 
shredder

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Point being, you may have picked up a new sensitivity and your body's coping mechanism is the thing to manage
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That sensitivity might very well be from terpenes. I have trouble with a lot of indica terpenes. Especially the earthy, herbal or peppery types.

Once again I'll mention medibles. Using medibles can help cut the amount you vape, and you still get the cannabinoids in your body without irritating your lungs.
 
TommyDee

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I actually experience the very same symptoms with edibles because they are mostly lesser quality flower. That is why I know it isn't just the act of vaping causing symptoms. This is a chemical sensitivity. That is why I am shopping farms so rigorously. Oregon Roots has become a trusted brand. And I only use one strain proven to work for my conditions.

Don't get me wrong, @shredder - I would add edibles if I knew how to keep things cost effective and functional on a medical level. Failing to maintain levels by changing methods can leave me miserable for months. Tinctures too is of interest, but dosing would be an experiment.
 
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TommyDee said:
Don't get me wrong, @shredder - I would add edibles if I knew how to keep things cost effective and functional on a medical level. Failing to maintain levels by changing methods can leave me miserable for months. Tinctures too is of interest, but dosing would be an experiment.
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For cost effectiveness, IDK what your paying for concentrates, but feco around me can be had for $40 a gram. 2 grams in a half cup of butter mixed with a half cup of honey gives me 96 1/2 tsp doses. one cup is 48 tsp. And I can adjust from there with taking more or less. 83 cents (slightly more after buying honey and butter) per dose and eating it lasts longer. 1/2 tsp of medicated honey butter can keep me medicated for 4-6 hours.

Cons are it takes a while to feel anything, but for efficiency, cost, and health it's better than vaping.

Hopefully this isn't getting too far off topic.
 
TommyDee

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Interesting. So figuring out how to equal my current dose would be some effort. Concentrate here is around 20/g on average. But I don't know that it is activated (decarboxilated). I always thought the vaping process was the activation process.
 
shredder

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TommyDee said:
Interesting. So figuring out how to equal my current dose would be some effort. Concentrate here is around 20/g on average. But I don't know that it is activated (decarboxilated). I always thought the vaping process was the activation process.
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Some concentrates are decarbed some are not. Best to ask the provider.

Technically my home squeezed rosin is not decarbed. But I find no difference when I decarbed it for medibles.

Also I find rosin in medibles make the experience more like vaping than using decarbed feco. But if I add a few drops of orange oil to feco used in medibles then it has an effect more like vaping. Edible orange oil has limonene, a terpene responsible for an uplifting effect.

To find a dose divide the amount in grams by the portions expected. Or just use an online medible/edible calculator.

For instance 1 gram of a 90% concentrate would be 900mg. If you made 10 doses, each would be 90mg.
 
TommyDee

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I do a 1/2 gram of 20% flower daily. My concentrates vary from 60% for live rosin to 85% resins. By my calculations, that a $6-8/day medication. That more than doubles my annual cost for medicine. Of course, that assumes efficiency of delivery.

As long as the packaging doesn't say if its decarb'd then there is no way to know. Bud tenders here are sales people, not facilitators.
 
shredder

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If your 60% concentrate costs $20 like you mentioned, thats 6, 100mg doses for $3.33 each.

But unlike your vaping example of 100mg of cannbinoids, in herb per day, 100mg in a medible is way too strong of a dose for almost everyone. A more realistic dose that would match your 100mg vaping would be about 35mg, or a little more than a buck per dose. 17 point something doses for $20. Vaping 35mg isn't going to last 6 hours unless your a big microdoser. And if you are a microdoser 35mg in a medible would be like 3 or more doses.

Not knowing what you pay for weed I can't compare prices, but the thread is about coughing and wheezing and using low temps. I just suggested a healthier, cost effective alternative. How you choose to medicate is up to you.
 
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invertedisdead said:
:nod::nod::nod::nod::nod::nod: Yeah!!

The elephant in the room that people don't wanna accept is all these differences in smoothness, or flavor - come from the vapor reacting within the vaporizer.

One vaporizer doesn't provide better tasting vapor than another because of magic, it's because of chemistry.



AGREED! ;pd;
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That's the thing that puzzles me about the MiniVAP.

Everyone says it has legandary flavor, but you look at the air/vapor path and it has all the materials you can imagine: ceramic [?] heater surrounded by aluminum foam, then PTFE (Teflon) depending on the model, a metal screen, a silicon tube, a plastic mouthpiece... :hmm:
 
Vapor_Eyes

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@Polarbearboy: There are a lot of great suggestions in here. There are a couple other things that could help you a bit. I’ve found that retail cannabis isn’t always trimmed very well and leafy material seems much harsher to me. You may want to focus on buying the best trimmed cannabis you can find. Also, some strains are smoother than others, a good bud tender should be able to help with this.

I strongly recommend you start curing your cannabis if possible. If you can afford to buy an extra month or more worth of cannabis, do that now and throw it in a c-vault with some 62% bodega packs and let it sit for at least a month. I prefer a lower percentage for immediate use but 62% is best for long term curing. It will get smoother the longer it sits. After at least a month has passed you can start to consume that, but make sure you buy another month’s supply to begin curing.

https://bovedainc.com/store/cannabis/cvault-storage-containers/

Properly air curing your cannabis will improve the flavor and reduce harshness due to chlorophyll and other substances. You can also do a water cure which is faster but will remove much of the flavor of your cannabis. It may be even smoother than an air cure. If you try a water cure I recommend only a small amount at first, maybe one gram, to see if it is right for you.

Curing won’t make as big of a difference as these other great suggestions but it may be enough to keep you vaping.

https://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-water-curing-your-weed-n852
 
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I'm new, to modern vaping. My 1st was mid. 90's with some chills alien head bong with a dish on a soldiering iron tip. So 25 years later I tried dynavap. Was great, but the warm air was killing my throat. 2 days later a impulse purchased showed up. "Sneaky Pete Little Bandit 10mm Portable Water Tool" even without water this is a game changer for me. I can take a draw without coughing. Fits out of the box, but I also got a dabcap adapter so now I can use it on all my legal carts and I don't cough up a fit after.
 
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Polarbearboy said:
Lower temps? Smaller hits? What's other folks experience if they've got breathing issue?

I'd developed some chronic wheezing and coughing related to my vaping. Gave vaping up for a month and just used edibles: By the end, all my symptoms had completely vanished. But I much prefer vaping, as it does the job quicker and better controlled. And more fun! Now I've started vaping again, and even doing it carefully, my symptoms have started to return.

I don't blame the vapes--Fury2, Crafty, and several Vapcaps--but my own need to get as wrecked as possible, and so too much vaping, often at higher temps. These breathing issues developed and got a bit worse over time even though I often use great bubblers/watertools. Or perhaps its my long history as a smoker--more than 50! years for cigs(quit 6 years ago) and nearly 50! for weed(started vaping exclusively 4 years ago.) A

So I looked at my Crafty manual, which I've been using at 375F with a finishing boost to 405. I'd been using similar temps with my F2 and liked the hotter zone for my VCs. What can I say: I like big cloudy hits! Crafty manual suggests 356 with a boost to 383. Looking further, I found these statements in the manual, which could be helpful to others using any type of vape with any technique who have any sort of throat or breathing problems. Excuse S-B's non-English English.

"A high intensity of vapor can lead to irritation of the respiratory passages...." "In this case the temperature should be lowered...."

"Inhale only half the amount of air you can normally manage."

Increase the temperature "only as a last resort".

Drove down to legal retail Mass yesterday and got some great stuff: Dakini Kush and Sour Diesel. I want to enjoy it without coughing and wheezing. So I'm going to take this advice. Also interested in other folks agree or if they've had success finding these or other ways of continuing to vape while dealing with their lung issues
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The funny thing is that vaping people seem to thing Vaping is so much better than smoking for you. Why is it that there are so many cases like this then? Not to mention the people that have destroyed their lungs by vaping and dying from it. Seems ignorant now to me for people to saying vaping is so much better for you than smoking. I was told "vaping won't make you cough like smoking". Lmao, what a joke!. I had a bong set up where I smoked it and didn't really cough at all, with SOOO much less harshness than vapor.
 
invertedisdead

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Kins said:
The funny thing is that vaping people seem to thing Vaping is so much better than smoking for you. Why is it that there are so many cases like this then? Not to mention the people that have destroyed their lungs by vaping and dying from it. Seems ignorant now to me for people to saying vaping is so much better for you than smoking. I was told "vaping won't make you cough like smoking". Lmao, what a joke!. I had a bong set up where I smoked it and didn't really cough at all, with SOOO much less harshness than vapor.
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Reading your earlier posts you said you smoked out of a bong with an ashcatcher and a carbon filter. Are you running your vaporizers through this same setup? If not, why?

FWIW I personally find S&B vapes to be very harsh, to the point I simply cannot use their desktops or portables anymore.
 
invertedisdead

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ginolicious said:
Why would you run your stuff through a carbon filter. That takes away so much of the good terpenes and things you want from the cannabis?
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Terpenes can be very harsh, if @Kins is looking for smoothness, and referencing combustion, I would say terpene retention is probably not as important.
 
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