miguelovic
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I'll check him out. Beehivexperiment is also doing the same. Makes some wicked looking shit.
Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless
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I'll check him out. Beehivexperiment is also doing the same. Makes some wicked looking shit.
miguelovic
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Luddite
The only Gram I like are buds, fuck instant gratification., same with reddit
Unwinteruzed FECO (I am still learning)
Edit, I had to remove my heat sink from the mod (as I had a Longmada Crystal on it) to make it work
Unwinteruzed FECO (I am still learning)
Edit, I had to remove my heat sink from the mod (as I had a Longmada Crystal on it) to make it work
miguelovic
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Everything has a use. IG and Reddit get news faster than a lot of other places. I still have a job because of information from both.
https://instagram.com/beehivexperiment?igshid=4b48kj9k5hrk
https://instagram.com/beehivexperiment?igshid=4b48kj9k5hrk
btka
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I also have the silo... thought it was a good battery and liked idea of draw activitation, but a button to warm everything up before makes sense...
In my experiments (cbd distilate mixed with rosin) ... I put the ccell cart with plastic mouthpiece protection and plastic bottom cap under my hot tap water until it got less viscous... (instead of pre heating)
I have some bubble rosin and thinking of doing what you did... maybe it will work better because less lipids (waxes, fats)... do not know... can not decide if I will sacrifice my bubble rosin for this...
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Hackerman
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After the confirmation from @LesPlenty 's photo, I tried my mod at 10w. Wow, this sucker totally came back to life. If I do a 2 to 3 second warmup, I get a huge cloud. Almost too much.
I will experiment with this mod for a few days and post any changes or notes. This definitely puts 'plain rosin in a cart' back on the table.
I will experiment with this mod for a few days and post any changes or notes. This definitely puts 'plain rosin in a cart' back on the table.
MinnBobber
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Flower pressing question: bubbleman posted on reddit that he never goes over 140 psi.
Most advise 1000 psi for flower so how can this be?
His video showed 140 and I asked what step up pressure is and he had 3 stages in press but all at 140 psi.
WTF ??????
Most advise 1000 psi for flower so how can this be?
His video showed 140 and I asked what step up pressure is and he had 3 stages in press but all at 140 psi.
WTF ??????
shredder
Well-Known Member
Maybe he isn't pressing flowers. Sift hash and kief do not need much heat or pressure to make rosin, like flowers do.
MinnBobber
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It was flower he was pressing, a half pound in the video.
140 psi for flower just seems so far off the 1000 psi general rec for flower????
140 psi for flower just seems so far off the 1000 psi general rec for flower????
I reckon his gauge says x10 somewhere
Indeed! I did not go really into it, but I have an idea what microwave distillation does. I'd love to play with one of these and a couple of other high tech lab machines and equipment for stoner and medical reasons.Have you heard of microwave distillation? Pretty interesting stuff
Too bad most of these lab toys are cost prohibitive for the home presser to experiment with.
That is cool.
To me it look like a steam distillation with the steam produced with microwaves.
Yes. It is not only about the boiling point iirc, but waxes and fats do not come over in steam distillation.
Exactly what I was told tooI believe that is due to the 'molecular weight'
Has anyone here tried any water curing during any part of their rosin making process besides doing a wash?
For me, in some instances, it would actually be less of a faff for me to make dry sift, but that resulting dry sift is usually a bit shit, so how about water clean/cure the dry sift and leach out anything water soluble?
Let it dry, then press it.
Also, if I've got vile tasting rosin, could that be water cured in some way? Its pretty damn solid stuff, wondering if I could leach out the vile taste with water?
High, rambling, thinking with my fingers. Or not thinking at all and just letting my fingers ramble.
Stupid fingers.
For me, in some instances, it would actually be less of a faff for me to make dry sift, but that resulting dry sift is usually a bit shit, so how about water clean/cure the dry sift and leach out anything water soluble?
Let it dry, then press it.
Also, if I've got vile tasting rosin, could that be water cured in some way? Its pretty damn solid stuff, wondering if I could leach out the vile taste with water?
High, rambling, thinking with my fingers. Or not thinking at all and just letting my fingers ramble.
Stupid fingers.
FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
I do appreciate your fortitude and ability to stick to this mission!
Personally, I have no experience with water curing or any other curing method. I tend to consume relatively quickly. Can you explain some of the benefits of cured rosin over fresh rosin? Please post up if you think this might better be addressed in the Concentrates for Noobs thread...
I have heard of wet cures, cold cures, etc.
Does this tend to bring out more flavor or diminish?
Does it alter the potency, cured vs uncured?
How long does it take to cure rosin?
Personally, I have no experience with water curing or any other curing method. I tend to consume relatively quickly. Can you explain some of the benefits of cured rosin over fresh rosin? Please post up if you think this might better be addressed in the Concentrates for Noobs thread...
I have heard of wet cures, cold cures, etc.
Does this tend to bring out more flavor or diminish?
Does it alter the potency, cured vs uncured?
How long does it take to cure rosin?
btka
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did you try static tech to clean your dry sift... think jungle boys are using/(invented?) this tech..
my experiment: I put bubble rosin in a closed jar and put it in the oven at 180F... then the rosin go trough different stages... at last stage it bubbles up... when bubbles stopped I did take it out (read that a lot of people who try to make diamonds and use jar tech, who go to far (no bubbles anymore) report of a sap constistency after this treatment...maybe I should have put it also on heat mat?)) then I filled this in a syringe (did make syringe warm, so it is less viscous) and filled in a ccell cart... then waited 24 hours... seems like my rosin is now again too viscous... I got one nice pull after holding cart in hot watter (made it less viscous)... I am using the silo without preheating option... will try a battery with preheating option... heared there are batteries for carts which have the option to warm the cart before use (could not find... does someone know one?)
I am getting crazy with this... I want to put my rosin in a ccell cart without cutting...
until now I tried wax liquidizer (do not like peg and so)
then cbd distilate (40%) mixed with rosin (60%), but I am not quite sure how the cbd is effecting the effects of thc... heared mixed things for example cbd lessens the effect of thc...
Are here intersted people for participating and testing different jar tek styles... I do not have enough rosin to test all possible ways... with the goal to deconstruct it... I have read so much reddit posts, instagram and saw youtube... my goal is to be able to use straight rosin in cart... but we could also experiment growing diamonds... I would make a new thread... and people could tell what they tried and what thee results where...
how is it going with your rosin cart? @Hackerman
also ordered qcells maybe they can handle the viscosity better... do not know..
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gunmetalshark
Glass Addict
Winterization and decarbing are the key elements for putting rosin into carts (at least for home use)
There may be some strains that are so sappy/ heavy on terpenes where u could possibly use them in a cart without decarb
but most won't stay liquid enuf in my experience especially in regions where its not warm all the time...that also plays a major role..
I never had problems with any carts on holiday where its 25c+ all the time, but some that do make problems here in AT at lower temps..
THe thing is at the point u start winterizing rosin its way better to start off with a quick wash anyway because it won't damage terpenes as much as pressing and saves u one step (pressing rosin) ..it makes better tasting carts and a way lighter color too..my rosin carts on the other hand are all pretty dark.
Working with Rosin just has the big plus that u can do bigger amounts at once, say I one can dissolve 20g rosin in 200-400ml alc and get like 12-13g winterized rosin out of it....with washing u will get barley 25g of bud covered with 400ml of alc and can be happy to come out with like 3-4g winterized rosin...its good for strains that don't have a great/low taste one their own and will get mixded with different terps anyway i.E.
Tools like a source turbo fasten things up greatly but u can also let the alc evaporate on its own (but one should do that outdoor)
Decarbing also is a must in my case just simply as I don't have enuf material too I can't risk to fail on my batches
As said with ambient winter temps I am even at the point to adding canna derived terps because with temps just above zero or below I do still get problems with viscosity on my carts.
I am only using Ccell TH2 0.5ml carts, I don't know why but at the end of my carts the air path gets gummed up (guess that's the reclaim on the inside) thats also worse on 1ml carts so I just use the smaller ones.
Also tried the Aristech 1.0 with quartz heating element, imo a bit better taste but 1ml is just a no go cuz of the gumming up and my shop doesn't carry the smaller ones yet
Temps wise I stay like 5-6w or 2,5-2,7V so most draw activated batts don't works for me and I tend to use ones where. u can manually change watts I use the Honeystick Aerobee
There may be some strains that are so sappy/ heavy on terpenes where u could possibly use them in a cart without decarb
but most won't stay liquid enuf in my experience especially in regions where its not warm all the time...that also plays a major role..
I never had problems with any carts on holiday where its 25c+ all the time, but some that do make problems here in AT at lower temps..
THe thing is at the point u start winterizing rosin its way better to start off with a quick wash anyway because it won't damage terpenes as much as pressing and saves u one step (pressing rosin) ..it makes better tasting carts and a way lighter color too..my rosin carts on the other hand are all pretty dark.
Working with Rosin just has the big plus that u can do bigger amounts at once, say I one can dissolve 20g rosin in 200-400ml alc and get like 12-13g winterized rosin out of it....with washing u will get barley 25g of bud covered with 400ml of alc and can be happy to come out with like 3-4g winterized rosin...its good for strains that don't have a great/low taste one their own and will get mixded with different terps anyway i.E.
Tools like a source turbo fasten things up greatly but u can also let the alc evaporate on its own (but one should do that outdoor)
Decarbing also is a must in my case just simply as I don't have enuf material too I can't risk to fail on my batches
As said with ambient winter temps I am even at the point to adding canna derived terps because with temps just above zero or below I do still get problems with viscosity on my carts.
I am only using Ccell TH2 0.5ml carts, I don't know why but at the end of my carts the air path gets gummed up (guess that's the reclaim on the inside) thats also worse on 1ml carts so I just use the smaller ones.
Also tried the Aristech 1.0 with quartz heating element, imo a bit better taste but 1ml is just a no go cuz of the gumming up and my shop doesn't carry the smaller ones yet
Temps wise I stay like 5-6w or 2,5-2,7V so most draw activated batts don't works for me and I tend to use ones where. u can manually change watts
I use the Honeystick Aerobee
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I've tried to explain all the different methods for undiluted rosin carts as best as I can.... IMO no matter what it's a "dead end road" for the home presser. I'm not trying to dissuade anybody from experimenting, but this is just one of those things that's too complicated to really do at home.
For example, you can't just use bubble hash rosin, you have to use some of the best, cleanest bubble hash rosin in the world. Like full melt hash. If you think of the yields from washing a pound, turning it into bubble hash, collecting just the full melt, turning that into rosin, then doing all the stuff to turn it into a pen.... the story never gets better, you have to be swimming in unlimited material to pull this off.
Remember that ~80%+ of terpenes are gone forever once the plant is dried. This means that you need to be working with fresh frozen material/hash and start with live rosin. The ONLY way to even produce live rosin is with a freeze dryer, so plan on investing a couple thousand dollars there before you even start thinking about making rosin pens.
IMO winterized rosin isn't even rosin anymore, and again that's really just a sidestep because to remove those lipids you also have to leave behind nonpolar terpenes that ethanol won't extract, but leaving behind valuable terpenes isn't going to help the viscosity issues.
The Ccell Silo is definitely a problem, it fires WAY too hot for rosin carts, IMO it fires too hot for any proper undiluted cart as it runs at a fixed 3.7v. I agree with the post above about the Yocan UNI Pro, been using one for months and it's a great variable voltage battery for cartridge pens. FWIW the "preheat" just pulses the power at low voltage, great for getting a low temp dab type of hit without holding the button - I just put on a WPA I made for Ccells and run it through a rig that way; however - using the preheat to thin out super thick oil doesn't really work IME, I've been trying for years. I think it was in 2017 when Psychonaut and I first tried to use rosin in the Amigo Liberty cartridges with the pre-heat option.
Making cartridges without solvents - definitely possible, really difficult; even more difficult at home. Again if you had a solventless workshop with $20,000 worth of lab equipment there's other things you could do. Potentially you could distill rosin... similar to how Raw Garden distills their live resin, and bypass winterization just like they do, but IDK.
Hackerman
User
I have not touched it since my last post. I put it in the cupboard and forgot about it. I just pulled it out and tried it. The first try was zero. But after the second hit, it worked. And by the third hit it was working fine. I have my mod on 10 watts.
The only thing you may have not done that I did was running it through the 25u filter. I used a bag and my press to slightly heat and gently press it through the bag. I'm not sure if that is what made the difference or not.
btka
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The only Gram I like are buds, fuck instant gratification., same with reddit
Unwinteruzed FECO (I am still learning)
Edit, I had to remove my heat sink from the mod (as I had a Longmada Crystal on it) to make it work
ok tried my ccell on my istick pico at 10w (vw - variable wattage mode and it is showing also 1.5 ohm) (in which mode or which settings else I have to change - I do nothing about such batteries like istick pico or other mods)
if i push the button it starts to make a hissing sound... I am a bit worried about this... otherwise I get big clouds with the cart which did not work with my silo battery...
Is it dangerous or not healthy to use this carts at a mod with 10 watt ( I have a ccell)... also get nice clouds with 7 watt...
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btka
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I find it also tastes better at 7 watt then 10 watt...
ok good to know sizzling is normal thought I am burning the coils or the cart will explode...
so you can use ccell safe this way and up to 10 watts?
strange that my silo battery from ccell does not work with my rosin cart (is it the draw activation?)
ok good to know sizzling is normal thought I am burning the coils or the cart will explode...
so you can use ccell safe this way and up to 10 watts?
strange that my silo battery from ccell does not work with my rosin cart (is it the draw activation?)
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Hackerman
User
I did a little searching and I found many people using mods with ccell carts. Do a quick Google and you'll see. Most said they use 7 watts. Most also said 10 watts was the max it should be without danger to cart. Seems like you found the sweet spot at 7 watts. Congrats.
The solo was designed to use with the ccell carts and I assume they designed it around standard cart juice viscosity. Using this straight rosin is probably outside the scope of their design.
The solo was designed to use with the ccell carts and I assume they designed it around standard cart juice viscosity. Using this straight rosin is probably outside the scope of their design.