I did a dirty blunt(you know high grade material with the stems and junk left in) today and wow was it nasty. I finished it, and opened the other one I had and put the martial in my bat to vape. Wow you can really taste and feel the difference. After a good session with the bat I was Sierra Nevada high.
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derp
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Hi guys,
I'm a LB fanatic, and just ordered a VG for a backup vape (and also to widen my collection hehe).
I'm sure this has been asked a zillion times before, but can someone tell me how fine a grind does the VG need, compared to the LB? I own a coffee grinder and grind my herbs super fine (as in tablesalt fine), which works awesone in the LB. Would this work in the VG, or is it too fine?
Thanks
I'm a LB fanatic, and just ordered a VG for a backup vape (and also to widen my collection hehe).
I'm sure this has been asked a zillion times before, but can someone tell me how fine a grind does the VG need, compared to the LB? I own a coffee grinder and grind my herbs super fine (as in tablesalt fine), which works awesone in the LB. Would this work in the VG, or is it too fine?
Thanks
rabblerouser
Combustion Fucker
I use the vg mostly as a backup too, actually just ordered the updated piece for the bat that's supposed to run cooler, so need to give it another shot.
From the time i have put in it seems the vg doesn't need it particularly fine, yet at the same time, i don't think it'll hurt.
I'd say the MFLB, and to a lesser extent the log vapes are the ones that want a finer grind.
From the time i have put in it seems the vg doesn't need it particularly fine, yet at the same time, i don't think it'll hurt.
I'd say the MFLB, and to a lesser extent the log vapes are the ones that want a finer grind.
djonkoman
Well-Known Member
well with such a fine grind probably more will fall trough the screen so you'll have to clean the VG a little more often(this was my experience with a really fine grind but could differ for others)
I just grind it to about the same as I would when soking it, with a grinder
I just grind it to about the same as I would when soking it, with a grinder
California Clouds
Member
momatik said:
Well curiosity got the best of me a few nights ago and I loaded up a fresh nug in the chamber of my VG without grinding. Then I dropped some budder on the element and gave the budder a short blast with my torch. The results were amazing. Like with any other glass/VG style element made for hash, I got very efficient and tasty clouds. The nug in the chamber gets nice and oily. I've run about a dozen loads through it so far with no apparent negative effects. Hit it through a water pipe if you can, the results are dense and thick.
Foster
Well-Known Member
Hi guys. I bought the original VG Aluminum Bat.
I have had it for a while now, and am pretty unsatisfied with the high i get. I have read the majority of this thread, and it seems like everyone else is extremely happy with their VG.
I do not understand what i am doing wrong. Let me start from the beginning.
I use a Kannastor grinder to grind up my herb. It does a pretty good job. I pack the herb (not to tight, to allow airflow), into the side of the VG that has the flame hole.
I tried packing my herb on the mouth piece side also, but i had unsatisfactory results from that.
I then suck as slow as possible, while putting the flame as close to an inch into the bat as possible.
Can you guys help me, and give me some tips? I got frustrated with the bat a few months ago, but want to give it another try. I dont want to give up on it that easy.
Thanks
I have had it for a while now, and am pretty unsatisfied with the high i get. I have read the majority of this thread, and it seems like everyone else is extremely happy with their VG.
I do not understand what i am doing wrong. Let me start from the beginning.
I use a Kannastor grinder to grind up my herb. It does a pretty good job. I pack the herb (not to tight, to allow airflow), into the side of the VG that has the flame hole.
I tried packing my herb on the mouth piece side also, but i had unsatisfactory results from that.
I then suck as slow as possible, while putting the flame as close to an inch into the bat as possible.
Can you guys help me, and give me some tips? I got frustrated with the bat a few months ago, but want to give it another try. I dont want to give up on it that easy.
Thanks
Foster
Well-Known Member
I get visible vapor, sometimes a lot of it. I have a hard time distinguishing this from smoke though.
I have never used any other vaporizers.
My high just feels incomplete. Or in other words, not nearly as good as my smoking high.
Like basicially all i feel is that my mind is kind of cloudy.
I used probably 4 grams of dank a few months ago trying to master this thing...
I have never used any other vaporizers.
My high just feels incomplete. Or in other words, not nearly as good as my smoking high.
Like basicially all i feel is that my mind is kind of cloudy.
I used probably 4 grams of dank a few months ago trying to master this thing...
DevoTheStrange
Ia! Ia! Vapor Fthagn!
You can tell if you have vaporized and not smoked by the color of your herb when you look at it. If it is brown or lighter,it is vaped. If you combusted you will see little bits of black.
And feeling like the high is incomplete, you may be right on that one because there are some things missing.
The vapor high is much cleaner than the smoke high. Reason for this is there are chemicals in smoke, unrelated to THC, that affect your high. When vaping, you no longer receive these Chemicals because they are a byproduct of smoking. Usually these chemicals are the ones that help induce the "Couch Lock" effect, and make you drowsy.
If you are a heavy smoker it might take you some time to adjust to the vapor high. It is a completely different high and takes a while to get used too.
I know when I first vaped I thought the high was not that strong, But I did not notice how strong it was until I got up and moved around and started interacting with other people. Once I did that it clued me into how high I really was.
Also another question... How long are you holding in your hits? it is recommended you hold vapor in for a minimum of 5-8 seconds if not longer because vapor does not absorb as fast as smoke does. If you really want the full effect of the hit, you gotta hold it in.
With the VG Bat, pack the herb on the mouth piece side. and you can bring the flame inside the hole. Dont bring all of it, just like the first few Millimeters. I Think you may be holding the flame too far away from the hole. I usually tend to use a faster draw rate than I did with the normal VG. If you go too slow you might combust. What I usually do is start of a bit fast, and if I get no vapor I slow down a little. Once I start getting vapor nice and consistently, then that is the speed I usually use. It is easier to start of fast and work your way backwards towards slow, than starting off slow and working your way up towards fast. This way you avoid combustion from the get go.
And feeling like the high is incomplete, you may be right on that one because there are some things missing.
The vapor high is much cleaner than the smoke high. Reason for this is there are chemicals in smoke, unrelated to THC, that affect your high. When vaping, you no longer receive these Chemicals because they are a byproduct of smoking. Usually these chemicals are the ones that help induce the "Couch Lock" effect, and make you drowsy.
If you are a heavy smoker it might take you some time to adjust to the vapor high. It is a completely different high and takes a while to get used too.
I know when I first vaped I thought the high was not that strong, But I did not notice how strong it was until I got up and moved around and started interacting with other people. Once I did that it clued me into how high I really was.
Also another question... How long are you holding in your hits? it is recommended you hold vapor in for a minimum of 5-8 seconds if not longer because vapor does not absorb as fast as smoke does. If you really want the full effect of the hit, you gotta hold it in.
With the VG Bat, pack the herb on the mouth piece side. and you can bring the flame inside the hole. Dont bring all of it, just like the first few Millimeters. I Think you may be holding the flame too far away from the hole. I usually tend to use a faster draw rate than I did with the normal VG. If you go too slow you might combust. What I usually do is start of a bit fast, and if I get no vapor I slow down a little. Once I start getting vapor nice and consistently, then that is the speed I usually use. It is easier to start of fast and work your way backwards towards slow, than starting off slow and working your way up towards fast. This way you avoid combustion from the get go.
rabblerouser
Combustion Fucker
Foster said:
just making sure... are you packing the opening for the flame? you wanna unscrew it and pack inside, can be full-ish for easiest rips.
There definitely are some differences between vapor and smoke, but i actually feel the vg comes closest to the smoke high of any vape i've tried. as long as you are working it fairly well and getting sizable hits, vg vapor can be almost too thick.
Foster
Well-Known Member
Devo- Yeah, i usually vape until my herb is a pretty earthy color brown, maybe a little lighter than dirt. I have gotten little black specks occasionally, but not usually. I also hold my hits in as long as i can. Not like super mega "supply of oxygen to brain is gone, brain cells dying long". And ok, i will go back to packing the herb in the mouth piece half. Maybe your right about the high just needing a chance to get used too.
Rabble- yeah, i put my herb in the inside of the VG. One thing i notice about my vapor is that it sometime is really hot. It also can be very thick. It looks just like the vapor i see when i watch vapor rips on youtube though, so that makes me think it is just vapor.
Chucku- Ok, ill try that on and off method. When you mean dont pack, do you not push down on your herb at all? like just put little pinches of it in, and let it be that loose?
Another note, could it be that i am putting the lighter too close to my VG flame hole? I usually am less than an inch or 2 away. Sometime when i get lazy, i even rest my bic on the actual VG. The flame on my Bic isnt that big, but it is pretty regular sized, so is it possible i am just cooking my herb too much or something?
Rabble- yeah, i put my herb in the inside of the VG. One thing i notice about my vapor is that it sometime is really hot. It also can be very thick. It looks just like the vapor i see when i watch vapor rips on youtube though, so that makes me think it is just vapor.
Chucku- Ok, ill try that on and off method. When you mean dont pack, do you not push down on your herb at all? like just put little pinches of it in, and let it be that loose?
Another note, could it be that i am putting the lighter too close to my VG flame hole? I usually am less than an inch or 2 away. Sometime when i get lazy, i even rest my bic on the actual VG. The flame on my Bic isnt that big, but it is pretty regular sized, so is it possible i am just cooking my herb too much or something?
djonkoman
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yeah don't pack at all, for my VG(not the bat) I first grind it in my grinder, then I empty the grinder on a a4-size paper wich is folded in half(in the length)
then I can pour it just in the VG, I only sometimes flatten it a bit if there's a hill, but then I don't push but just gently sweep it to the side where there is room
then I can pour it just in the VG, I only sometimes flatten it a bit if there's a hill, but then I don't push but just gently sweep it to the side where there is room
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Rin101
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For you guys looking for a good lighter to use, you should try one of these:
http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=97572#p97572
This post was taken from the Glass VG thread; I have used torch lighters for my VG for well over a year (including the model linked above) and much prefer them to candle flame lighters. At first I was trying to use it like a candle flame so I burnt the herb once or twice, but then figured out that I had to hold it much farther away
If you're looking for windproof solution, try one of these (shipping will take a few weeks though)
Skunkypete said:
http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=97572#p97572
This post was taken from the Glass VG thread; I have used torch lighters for my VG for well over a year (including the model linked above) and much prefer them to candle flame lighters. At first I was trying to use it like a candle flame so I burnt the herb once or twice, but then figured out that I had to hold it much farther away
If you're looking for windproof solution, try one of these (shipping will take a few weeks though)
Deadhead101
I am the Vapor King--I can do anything
These lighters are great...while they work. I've ordered about 5 of these from DE which is located inChina so shipping took a few weeks (at least the shipping was free). For my classic style alum VG this works well as long as you keep it at a much farther distance away from the filter (I held the lighter about six inches away usually).Rin101 said:For you guys looking for a good lighter to use, you should try one of these:
Skunkypete said:
http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=97572#p97572
http://www1.dealextreme.com/productimages/sku_1320_1.jpg
This post was taken from the Glass VG thread; I have used torch lighters for my VG for well over a year (including the model linked above) and much prefer them to candle flame lighters. At first I was trying to use it like a candle flame so I burnt the herb once or twice, but then figured out that I had to hold it much farther away
If you're looking for windproof solution, try one of these (shipping will take a few weeks though)
I only have one of these lighters left as all of others broke from normal use. They just seemed to get weaker until they stopped making heat.
djonkoman
Well-Known Member
I have one of those from the link(other then the one on the pic), still works(have it since june this year, using it for my VG since july or august), still have to order some nmore for backup but so far this one is still functioning perfectly, only problem is you'll have to gradually highten the flame as the tank gets emptier to keep a flame
Rin101
Well-Known Member
I have noticed that problem with them too, but I just turn the flame size up a bit until I refill it. I have also had problems with them lighting after about the first 1-2 months, but they're so cheap that it's not a big deal.
However, I bought an Ever Tech Shark torch lighter a year ago and have never had any trouble with it. I would recommend it now, but it is not sold anywhere online that I can find
I found a similar lighter, but haven't tested it personally. It's only $12 with free shipping, so it's still a great deal:
http://www.buylighters.com/The-Shark-Micro-Table-Top-Lighter-w-Flame-Lock_p_1120.html
However, I bought an Ever Tech Shark torch lighter a year ago and have never had any trouble with it. I would recommend it now, but it is not sold anywhere online that I can find
I found a similar lighter, but haven't tested it personally. It's only $12 with free shipping, so it's still a great deal:
http://www.buylighters.com/The-Shark-Micro-Table-Top-Lighter-w-Flame-Lock_p_1120.html
chucku
Charles Urbane
I recently got another dual flame lighter. Works great with the bat. Affordable, no tax, free fast shipping and better built than expected. It also has a cigar punch in the base for those who smoke cigars.
http://www.buylighters.com/Eternity-Dual-Flame-Lighter-and-Punch-Cutter_p_1073.html
http://www.buylighters.com/Eternity-Dual-Flame-Lighter-and-Punch-Cutter_p_1073.html
rutibegga
Well-Known Member
Hi, I've been lurking for a while but haven't posted. I have a classic VG which I love, but I just (yesterday) got a BG bat and I'm baffled. I've managed to get maybe two good draws off it, but mostly I feel I've just been sucking hot air. I've read the instructions (flame inside the hole) and tried varying my intake (it seems to draw a lot faster than my classic, but that might just be a cleaner heating element--the classic's been my main piece for a few years and probably needs serious cleaning.) I've tried a bic and a torch... I know it's only been a day, but I'm frustrated! Any pointers fromt he VG bat pros?
Spacenstein
Well-Known Member
rutibegga said:
How are you packing the bowl? The VG Bat, unlike their pipe models, require you to stuff the bowl with tons of herb. (but that's just fine because the bowl is still very small)
rutibegga
Well-Known Member
I think you might have found at least part of my issue. I was packing just a few pinches like I would with my classic. I had success with a loosely packed but slightly more full bowl. I also had to find a bic with a bigger flame than the one I'd been using. It's getting slightly better...
Still, any bat-specific technique tips would be appreciated. Especially anyone using torch lighters--ideally, I'd be able to use this outdoors. I'm trying to ditch combustion completely.
Still, any bat-specific technique tips would be appreciated. Especially anyone using torch lighters--ideally, I'd be able to use this outdoors. I'm trying to ditch combustion completely.
AGBeer
Lost in Thought
I think you might find that you have a bit more success with a torch as (IMO) its a bit easier to control how much flame you get consistently. With the bic, the flame has more of a tendency to 'dance' around the intake hole. With a microtorch you have more of a risk of combustion, but if you can find the 'sweet spot' of distance it works like a charm. 