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Elluzion

Elluzion

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masbanji92 said:
People need to understand that there is another world, a world built of our consciousness, the spirit world if you will. And this world is just as real, if not more real, than our physical world. Lucid dreams, psychedelic mushrooms, peyote, DMT, and even marijuana are all ways to peer into this other dimension.

In this other dimension you are no longer connected to your physical body, you see the world through the perspective of everything at once, you see things so beautiful and complex they could never be explained in any human language. Anyone who thinks people who do these drugs are just tripping, are wrong. We are seeing what is really here, the human mind has a function that blocks people from seeing everything at once. And psychedelics disable this and let you see things for what they really are. Marijuana is on the lowest end of this spectrum, you stay in the physical world, but get a minor glimpse of this greater power, this entity. And I would say DMT is on the highest end of the spectrum, you are completely lost in this world and have no recollection of the physical world. Although you are completely satisfied with everything, and this world makes so much sense(possibly more so than ours), and you know everything will be OK because when you die and your brain releases all the DMT you are forever in this world, back where you started before birth. No one can no any of this for sure, but there are so many books and people that agree. And I probably didn't present this information the best, but hopefully someday more people understand of this conscious world, and once again, as human beings have done since the beginning of time, everyone will use marijuana and psychedelics regularly again. They are our natural tools to peek into what the universe really is, and yes it may be scary, but it is necessary to know this before death, or you are missing out on what life really is. Well IMO. :D
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Wow. Very interesting perspective. I think that Marijuana just touches the surface of this "other world."

What hardcore psychedelics have you tried??
 
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Nosferatu

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Elluzion I think you are right about that, maybe marijuana puts you about 10% in touch with this world. While smoking DMT would basically be 100%, and shrooms and other natural phycedelics would all be in between(30%-70%, well depending on the dose).

I dunno, I think thats all psychedelics and marijuana is, they are all in the same exact class, just to a different extent. Since the beginning of time all tribes, shamans, indians, and humans in general used these tools. They had huge ceremonies where everyone would partake and the shamans that did it alot where considered the wisest of humans. And they where. Its such a shame and makes me so angry that in the last 200 years or whatever people lost touch with this because big government thought its bad for business. If everyone used marijuana and psychedelics regularly, we would have overthrown the government by now, we simply would not tolerate this and people would see the truth; we are all just free animals that can consume anything we please and do whatever we want and no other human being can control another human, we are all exactly equal.

Anyways I'm ranting, and I feel like its so hard to put into words this concept I'm always trying to get across, it would take days of explanation. Anyways ya Ive done the basics, shrooms, DMT, salvia(which is of this exact world also if you know how to see it), and of course marijuana. An intersting book on this is "The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley" or even DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman.

Also I cant endorse the use of LSD and man made psychedelics, all we need grows naturally, from peyote, to mushrooms, to salvia, to DMT, cacti, marijuana, and so on.
 
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crawdad

crawdad

floatin
masbanji92 said:
all we need grows naturally
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absolutely. the closer we are to our natural world the better we can serve out the purpose of the universe being conscious of itself. that's how i see us as, a way for the universe to know thyself.

on to the paranoia with cannabis, the only time i experienced that was the first time i vaped a large amount and also ingested some with alcohol in the same sitting. it was a bit of an overload to the body and my mind dealing with it was wondering if i was perhaps having a biological reaction (allergic) to it...i know thats not possible with me but at the time i was partially convinced i was. but ive never been scared in mental thought beyond that.
 
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Elluzion

Elluzion

Vapeosaurus Rex
masbanji92 said:
Elluzion I think you are right about that, maybe marijuana puts you about 10% in touch with this world. While smoking DMT would basically be 100%, and shrooms and other natural phycedelics would all be in between(30%-70%, well depending on the dose).

I dunno, I think thats all psychedelics and marijuana is, they are all in the same exact class, just to a different extent. Since the beginning of time all tribes, shamans, indians, and humans in general used these tools. They had huge ceremonies where everyone would partake and the shamans that did it alot where considered the wisest of humans. And they where. Its such a shame and makes me so angry that in the last 200 years or whatever people lost touch with this because big government thought its bad for business. If everyone used marijuana and psychedelics regularly, we would have overthrown the government by now, we simply would not tolerate this and people would see the truth; we are all just free animals that can consume anything we please and do whatever we want and no other human being can control another human, we are all exactly equal.

Anyways I'm ranting, and I feel like its so hard to put into words this concept I'm always trying to get across, it would take days of explanation. Anyways ya Ive done the basics, shrooms, DMT, salvia(which is of this exact world also if you know how to see it), and of course marijuana. An intersting book on this is "The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley" or even DMT: The Spirit Molecule by Rick Strassman.

Also I cant endorse the use of LSD and man made psychedelics, all we need grows naturally, from peyote, to mushrooms, to salvia, to DMT, cacti, marijuana, and so on.
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I love your perspective on this. Great information man. Hopefully sometime in the future I can further delve into the conscious world that no one sees. It is truly interesting how the government and society has shaped peoples views now. Truly, we don't NEED it. But psychedelic drugs are a positive tool in helping us experience life to its full extent. Life is crazy if you think about it. All the neuropathways, connections on a cellular and non cellular level. It is kind of ridiculous. Just knowing that, I think anything is possible. Aliens, ghosts, whatever. This world is crazy@!!! i tell ya!

And yes, natural is always the best. Fruits and vegetables from the GROUND, not from genetically modified organisms... eww.

Living a natural healthy lifestyle will ensure years of happiness, and a fulfilled life :) :p

I am really curious about the DMT being released when you die... That is very interesting. I would love to study that somehow
 
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Nosferatu

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Yeah man maybe we can make a psychedelic thread hahah but I think its against the rules, it would be interesting to get into this fully with others who understand.

So DMT is released when you are born, everytime you go into REM sleep, and when you die. The white light and your life flashing before your eyes is just a high release of DMT. It also explains lucid dreams and alien abductions. A lucid dream is the same thing as a smoking DMT, its a high release of the chemical. If you talk to people that naturally have lucid dreams there explanation of that world is EXACTLY the same as that of being on DMT.(yet oh lord they would never touch drugs like the deadly DMT!) :brow:

BTW I love that complex heart in your sig. :ko:
 
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Nycdeisel

Nycdeisel

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Im with Elluzion, I loved your perspective on that one.

Hit the nail on the head, Masbanji. When your born, near death experiences, and death, as well as heavy REM sleep are all times when DMT is active in the brain.

That is the perfect way to put it, that flashing of your life before death is just the DMT kicking in, which continues draining(for lack of a better word) after your body has died. I believe it was the Mayans who believed that this occured for 49 days after death, but I could be totally wrong.
 
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Nosferatu

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I really hope it goes for that long or more, it makes death a little less scary. And since people claim this is also a way to separate your ego from your physical body, I sure as hell hope after death our "energy" finds a newborn to start over in.(thats what alot of people who practice this believe so theres some hope! I couldnt imagine there being just nothingness...its so scary... :o
 
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Nycdeisel

Nycdeisel

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Yes, apparently its Buddhists who believe that after the 49th day in a different world you are reborn(reincarnated).
 
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Frickr

Frickr

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Nycdeisel said:
Yes, apparently its Buddhists who believe that after the 49th day in a different world you are reborn(reincarnated).
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intrestingly enough 49 days after conception the pineal gland developes out of the roof of the mouth and extends to its spot in the center of the brain, and also the 49th day is the first time you can positivily identify the sex of the child. :cool:
 
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Nosferatu

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Frickr said:
Nycdeisel said:
Yes, apparently its Buddhists who believe that after the 49th day in a different world you are reborn(reincarnated).
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intrestingly enough 49 days after conception the pineal gland developes out of the roof of the mouth and extends to its spot in the center of the brain, and also the 49th day is the first time you can positivily identify the sex of the child. :cool:
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Hmm thats proof enough for me we are on to something... :cool:
 
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Nycdeisel

Nycdeisel

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masbanji92 said:
Frickr said:
Nycdeisel said:
Yes, apparently its Buddhists who believe that after the 49th day in a different world you are reborn(reincarnated).
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intrestingly enough 49 days after conception the pineal gland developes out of the roof of the mouth and extends to its spot in the center of the brain, and also the 49th day is the first time you can positivily identify the sex of the child. :cool:
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Hmm thats proof enough for me we are on to something... :cool:
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Holy shit : whoa: that is crazy. Probably a coincidence, but maybe for a more important reason.
 
Nycdeisel,
Elluzion

Elluzion

Vapeosaurus Rex
masbanji92 said:
I really hope it goes for that long or more, it makes death a little less scary. And since people claim this is also a way to separate your ego from your physical body, I sure as hell hope after death our "energy" finds a newborn to start over in.(thats what alot of people who practice this believe so theres some hope! I couldnt imagine there being just nothingness...its so scary... :o
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Probably the scariest thing for me is the thought of "nothingness" or the thought that if I am re-born i wont truly be me because my old "soul" wont remember the new stuff, and I wont truly be there. Ha... who knows.

Dude i am vaked as fuck right now and death doesn't seem that scary if its just going to be like a DMT trip (which I have no clue what it feels like), but dang!

this is some very interesting shit. we are solving the mysteries of the universe right in this thread! holy shit!
 
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Nosferatu

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Hahahah I always thought the exact same thing, I would hate not rememberingmy old self or being some low life or someone that never discovers marijuana... :p

But I once heard you always go on to be a better person when reincarnated, like thats the whole point of it or something, you find a better physical body, so someday everyones perfect. Hahah Im vaked as shit too but I'm really starting to believe all this... >_>
 
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Elluzion

Elluzion

Vapeosaurus Rex
masbanji92 said:
Hahahah I always thought the exact same thing, I would hate not rememberingmy old self or being some low life or someone that never discovers marijuana... :p

But I once heard you always go on to be a better person when reincarnated, like thats the whole point of it or something, you find a better physical body, so someday everyones perfect. Hahah Im vaked as shit too but I'm really starting to believe all this... >_>
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Dude, getting vaked kind of changes my perspective and I am actually starting to believe this stuff too. Very fascinating.. :o
 
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Nycdeisel

Nycdeisel

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When I first started learning about DMT, I got wired on researching it. I almost felt like I was tripping, thinking so deeply about the concept until it clicked, and I was more sober then I had ever been.
 
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Nosferatu

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Nycdiesel I feel the exact same way as you, in fact I do right now, its kinda getting scary. I just realized I need to take a break from thinking about this stuff, it sounds crazy, but I can understand what it means now to get lost in the rabbit hole. If we are going to believe in different states of consciousness, we must remember which state is the most foremost and important, the physical one.
 
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jeffp

jeffp

psychonaut/retired
Elluzion said:
Thank you for the comfort guys, I am working on it :)
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Just ponder about what it was like before you were born - that whatever it was you survived it - we all seemed to have survived it - and that it wasn't that long ago.
Death is probably going back to where we were before we were born. In that sense, maybe it will be fun.
It does seem like we came from somewhere, if you can possibly reflect upon your consciousness as an infant. Seems like the dream state
is very significant - like from infancy we go from a total dream state to a dualistic waking/dream state of being.
 
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Stu

Stu

Maconheiro
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Joe Rogan seems like the new Carl Sagan. Nice video. Very interesting. Now I've got to get back to Jersey Shore.
 
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