Illinois and weed

cybrguy

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I completely disagree with you on how this will apply to Illinois. Illinois and California are not very similar in most ways states can be similar, but especially in their cannabis markets. In Illinois it was made legal with legislation, the first state to really do that, and it was made legal to help the state's finances, not to serve its residents. The only way they can make the kind of money they are looking for is to eliminate or dramatically diminish the black market, and they can only do that by allowing legal sales to be competitive with it. If they thought there was any other way to kill the black market they would already have done that.
 
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In CA recreational really wasn't made legal "to serve the state's residents". It was made legal because some deep-pocketed commercial interests saw a killing to be made, quickly cobbled together a measure that would further their private interests and easily convinced gullible state residents - who were willing to avert their eyes to the con because they saw legal weed in front of them - to sign on. Unfortunately the story in Illinois is not all that different. It's a story where the traditional producers - the black market - continue to be shut out and indeed punished while certain moneyed and influential newcomers are privileged with sole proprietorship. In other words so far, with the possible exception of Colorado, legalization has been a process of wresting the industry from its traditional black market owners and awarding it to clever capitalists who have plenty of resources and know how to rig the market in their favor. "Legalization" is not so much about making cannabis available to the public as a struggle over who gets to produce and profit from this commodity.
 
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In CA recreational really wasn't made legal "to serve the state's residents". It was made legal because some deep-pocketed commercial interests saw a killing to be made, quickly cobbled together a measure that would further their private interests and easily convinced gullible state residents - who were willing to avert their eyes to the con because they saw legal weed in front of them - to sign on. Unfortunately the story in Illinois is not all that different. It's a story where the traditional producers - the black market - continue to be shut out and indeed punished while certain moneyed and influential newcomers are privileged with sole proprietorship. In other words so far, with the possible exception of Colorado, legalization has been a process of wresting the industry from its traditional black market owners and awarding it to clever capitalists who have plenty of resources and know how to rig the market in their favor. "Legalization" is not so much about making cannabis available to the public as a struggle over who gets to produce and profit from this commodity.
So, so true @Gunky !
Need that multi-like button again!
 
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Last items comments I have about that last dispensary visit:

Wedding Crashers was FIRE! Vapes beautifully, but even better it pressed into the most fantastic rosin... gold with pinkish hue. I've never pressed anything quite like it. Spreadable butter-like consistency and taste is fucking brilliant! I wonder if they have lifted the 1 eighth minimum?

The caramel's that I got were delicious, but entirely ineffective for me.
 

Magic9

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Medical pot sales topped $23 million in January as patient count eclipsed 100K

Illinois pot shops sold over $23 million worth of medical weed in January as the state’s patient count jumped above 100,000 for the first time since the program was launched in 2014.

The strong showing came as hordes of recreational pot users flocked to dispensaries for their first taste of legal weed. Despite a pervasive supply shortage that took hold in the wake of recreational legalization, 55 licensed dispensaries made $62.6 million in total sales last month, according to the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation. That included nearly $40 million in recreational weed sales.

Of the $23.4 million in medical pot sales in January, $9.8 million was spent on dried cannabis flower, which has remained in short supply across the state. Those totals were notably lower than the final quarter of 2019, when average monthly flower sales of $12.4 million accounted for nearly half of the $26.2 million in average total sales.
 

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First month’s legal marijuana sales generate $7.3 million in tax revenue

An additional $3.1M comes from sales taxes on adult-use cannabis


SPRINGFIELD – The Illinois Department of Revenue reported Monday that the first month of legalized adult-use cannabis sales in the state generated $7.3 million in cannabis tax revenue for the state, plus an additional $3.1 million in retail sales taxes that are shared between the state and local governments.

“Today marks another milestone in the successful launch of Illinois’ legal cannabis industry,” Toi Hutchinson, a senior adviser on cannabis policy to Gov. JB Pritzker, said in a statement.
 

C No Ego

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@Magic9 it is hard to like your post when it regards " interests" who made bank on our use via jail and now same" interests" make bank selling it to you ! LOL and still fed illegal = The Fuck?

thanks for posting though , is what I wanted to say instead of liking that [post, have a permanent/ fluctuating place in time man !
 
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cybrguy

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11 of 50 for recreational. 33 states have a medical program of some kind.

But just to be clear I'm not sure that any (yet) allow public consumption.
 

Magic9

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@Magic9 it is hard to like your post when it regards " interests" who made bank on our use via jail and now same" interests" make bank selling it to you ! LOL and still fed illegal = The Fuck?

thanks for posting though , is what I wanted to say instead of liking that [post, have a permanent/ fluctuating place in time man !

I think I get what you're saying. I agree. I think.
 
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cybrguy

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Marijuana retailers near Illinois borders benefit from out-of-state customers, offer warnings on crossing boundaries with MJ

Published March 3, 2020 | By Margaret Jackson


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Cannabis retailers in Illinois border towns are seeing strong sales to customers from neighboring states but are spending time and money training their employees to warn people that it is unlawful to transport marijuana across state lines.

Illinois had a strong kickoff to its adult-use cannabis market, with recreational marijuana stores selling nearly $40 million worth of products during the first month of sales.

While adult-use marijuana shops in Illinois declined to report the exact percentage of customers who came from other states, they did describe the number as “many.”


Out-of-state customers who are 21 years old and have a valid driver’s license can purchase cannabis in Illinois, which offers expanded sales opportunities to marijuana shops that are near the state’s borders in particular. But it is illegal to cross state lines with cannabis.
Marijuana retailers near the Illinois border are taking the time to train employees so they can let customers know the law, whether it’s through conversations, posting signs or providing information on their counters.

“We value our customers and encourage them to follow the law,” said Kathleen Olivastro, regional director of Illinois Supply and Provisions’ parent company Ascend Wellness Holdings, a Waltham, Massachusetts-based, vertically integrated operator with assets in Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan and Ohio.

“Ultimately, individuals are responsible for any legal ramifications, including transporting across state lines, once products leave the (store).

“We do encourage anyone considering purchasing cannabis to research and understand the laws before they come in.”

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A sign at Illinois Supply and Provisions warns customers about crossing state lines with marijuana. The shop is located in Collinsville, Illinois, which is about 15 miles from St. Louis’ Gateway Arch.

Illinois Supply and Provisions, located about 15 miles from St. Louis’ Gateway Arch in Collinsville, Illinois, has served customers not only from Missouri but also from Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky and Wisconsin.

Stores located near the border have the opportunity for stronger sales but must ensure that their employees have more extensive training than staffers in stores that are not near state lines.

Nic Easley, CEO of Denver-based 3C Consulting, said he advises retail clients to create a questionnaire for customers to answer when they’re checking out that includes a item about agreeing not to take cannabis across state lines.

He’s also counseled clients not to sell cannabis to customers if they have alluded to the fact they’ll be doing something illegal.

“You’re putting the onus on individuals for safe and responsible cannabis use,” Easley said.

“Whenever you have something on one side (of a border) that you don’t have on the other, people are going to come. I love border locations for capturing new markets.”

Medical Mondays

Illinois Supply and Provision, formerly HCI Alternatives, reserves Mondays for medical marijuana patients.

Both Illinois and Missouri residents who hold MMJ cards can shop in the store. However, Missouri medical card holders are not permitted to purchase MMJ products at the store but can purchase recreational products on Mondays – and pay adult-use sales tax rates on products.

“IS&P feels it is important to give Missouri medical patients – some with serious health challenges – access to the dispensary on a day that is typically less busy, even though they must be treated as adult-use customers,” Olivastro said.

Jushi Holdings, a multistate cannabis and hemp operator based in Boca Raton, Florida, recently acquired two Illinois medical cannabis dispensaries from Colorado-based The Green Solution, including one in Sauget, across the river from St. Louis.

The company has received approval to operate the dispensaries as adult-use retail stores under its Beyond/Hello brand, which is likely to occur by early March. Ultimately, Jushi plans to have four adult-use retail stores open in Illinois by the end of the year.

Jushi President Erich Mauff said the community has proved receptive to the store adding adult-use sales to its offerings.

“They’re really excited for us to be there,” Mauff said. “They’ve been great supporters of us over the last four years and are keen for us to get the adult use up and running.

“But we can only do that once we can protect the medical patients and have an uninterrupted supply of marijuana.”

Despite its location just 4½ miles from St. Louis, medical patients from Missouri will not be able to purchase medical marijuana from Beyond/Hello.

As of Feb. 19, 33,490 Missourians were registered as medical marijuana patients even though the state’s first dispensaries aren’t expected to open until late spring or early summer.

“An individual must be an Illinois resident to be registered as a patient,” Mauff said. “There is no medical cannabis reciprocity between the state of Missouri and Illinois.”

Emphasis on compliance

When Jushi rebrands its Sauget shop to Beyond/Hello and opens to adult-use customers – people who are 21 with a valid ID – it will sell to Missourians. The store will train budtenders to ensure customers who are not Illinois residents are aware that crossing state lines with marijuana is illegal.

“A priority for the company will be continually emphasizing communication of all compliance requirements,” Mauff said.
 

cybrguy

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Illinois Cannabis Industry Deemed 'Essential' During Coronavirus
Marijuana dispensaries remain open during the governor's 'stay at home' order and new rules are in place for medical cannabis patients.
By Jonah Meadows, Patch Staff
Mar 21, 2020 4:27 pm CT | Updated Mar 21, 2020 4:51 pm CT

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Cannabis businesses in Illinois are exempted from the "stay at home" order limiting non-essential business, travel and activities. (Shutterstock)

CHICAGO — Illinois marijuana businesses are exempt from Gov. JB Pritzker's "stay at home" executive order to stem the spread of the new coronavirus. The order limits non-essential activities, banning public gatherings of more than 10 people and mandating social distancing.

The order, which takes effect Saturday afternoon, requires all businesses, other than those deemed essential, to stop all but minimum basic operations — allowing employees to keep working from home and maintaining the security of the business' property.

Cannabis dispensaries and licensed cannabis cultivation centers are included under the exemptions for agriculture, food and beverage production.


State regulators also have loosened restrictions on the sale of medical cannabis, normally only allowed inside designated areas in dispensaries. Under a temporary order allowing curbside delivery, licensed patients can purchase cannabis outside stores.

"Our top priority is to minimize the risk of and protect as many people from exposure to COVID-19," Toi Hutchinson, the governor's senior cannabis adviser, said. "These steps prioritize that critical objective, while also ensuring medical patients have access to the medicine they need."

Pam Althoff, executive director of the trade group Cannabis Business Association of Illinois, said dispensaries and cultivators are also following guidance to enforce social distancing and practice strict sanitary practices.

"We're trying to be extraordinary proactive, we're a highly regulated industry to begin with, we deal with medically fragile, vulnerable patients and we want to ensure that not only are we caring for our patients but we're also caring for our employees, many of whom are also patients themselves," Altoff said.

Home delivery of cannabis remains banned, and curbside delivery is limited to medical cannabis cardholders or their designated caregivers under certain conditions.

"We have not yet discussed any further accommodations with regard to the coronavirus situation," Althoff said. "We've been talking daily about what might happen as we anticipate worst-case scenarios but all of those things are kind of a menu of options, and no one's pulled the trigger on any of them yet."

At least eight Illinois cannabis dispensaries have suspended the sale of recreational marijuana in response to the coronavirus outbreak, according to the Illinois Department of Financial Protection.

Others have increased online ordering capabilities to cut down on wait times and crowding among customers. Lines of people have been spotted gathering outside some of the fewer than 50 marijuana retailers open in Illinois since January.

While some cannabis dispensaries reported disruptions in their supply chain, Altoff said she expected the product of cultivation licenses issued last fall to be entering the market soon and doubted there would be any shortages. The industry's biggest bottleneck remains its workers, she said.

"If there's a concern, it's the same concern that most people are looking at," she said. "Ensuring that we have full staffing capabilities."
 
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Flower seems to be more readily available in dispensary's here, but it is still very high priced. Even at 1/2 oz quantities it is well over $400/oz. In quarters or eighths it is still at least $500 and sometimes $600. At least that is what I am seeing around here.

There are better prices with a med card of course, but still high.
 
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Papa Woody

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Flower seems to be more readily available in dispensary's here, but it is still very high priced. Even at 1/2 oz quantities it is well over $400/oz. In quarters or eighths it is still at least $500 and sometimes $600.

$400-600/oz ouch...Might as well bend over and grab your cankles!
 

cybrguy

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$400-600/oz ouch...Might as well bend over and grab your cankles!
Yeah, the prices are crazy and unpleasant. Fortunately the black market is alive and well, and will remain well as long as these crazy prices reign. I'm hoping vendors and the state will come to the realization that lower pricing will boost sales far beyond the lost revenue from the price change by greatly increasing volume, but they lack incentive to do that by keeping the number of stores low and artificially increasing relative demand. If you have lines every day, why lower prices? Only competition and wider availability of product will lead to lower pricing.

I myself have only been to a dispensary once since they opened in January and that was for the fun of it. I had to pay $70 for a gram of crumble. I'll only do that once.
 

mac_47

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It's a story where the traditional producers - the black market - continue to be shut out and indeed punished while certain moneyed and influential newcomers are privileged with sole proprietorship.

Seems like those black market businessmen had/still have an opportunity to go legit and they havent.
 
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Magic9

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Holy fuck. I thought about making a trip to Rise in Joliet. But I found out an 1/8th will run me $86.94 out the door. $65 + $21.94 in tax. No thanks. Way out of my budget.
 

FlyingLow

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Yup... just silly. Black market will continue to THRIVE!

I have absolutely no interest in Illinois flower anymore, can find fire anywhere... but frankly concentrates are still much finer from dispensaries than elsewhere.



How are lines these days? And are dispensaries better stocked than when I went in early January?
 
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C No Ego

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I'm glad now to be on East coast... seeing the newly legal states being Raped by the same people who through you in jail a few months ago for touching it is Sad and makes me angry ...
 

cybrguy

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Holy fuck. I thought about making a trip to Rise in Joliet. But I found out an 1/8th will run me $86.94 out the door. $65 + $21.94 in tax. No thanks. Way out of my budget.
Yep, not getting better yet at all. It won't, I'm afraid, until there is significantly more supply and retail outlets. I hope this will happen after the next round of openings (maybe July), but it may take another year. I'm sure coronavirus isn't helping...

Thank goodness my BM guys are still making a living...
 

cybrguy

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This thread is a continuation of Illinois and weed

Coronavirus Pandemic Means Major Changes To Marijuana Industry In Illinois


CHICAGO (CBS) — Due to the coronavirus pandemic, there weren’t any festivals, parties, or big clouds of smoke this 4/20 – the unofficial holiday celebrating marijuana–this, the first year it’s legal for recreational use.
But with the stay-at-home order in place, and limited access to dispensaries, CBS 2’s Tara Molina learned changes to the cannabis industry aren’t unique to this 4/20 day.
The Sunnyside Cannabis Dispensary River North, 436 N. Clark St., was set to open and start serving customers weeks ago. We learned that COVID-19 slowed the process and delayed the opening.
The pandemic has also totally changed how the dispensaries that are still running are operating every day.
It’s hardly the 4/20 scene many expected months ago when recreational marijuana became legal in Illinois. Back then, people anticipated pot parties, rallies, and events, but as it is, there is just a reminder to stay home from the city and state.
“With the first year of legalization in Illinois, this would have been a very different celebration had the COVID pandemic not hit,” said Jason Erkes of Cresco Labs, the company behind Sunnyside dispensaries.
Where recreational orders have moved online, a customer gets a ticket with a time to pick up.
“A lot of the stores in Illinois have limited space capacity, so we are taking orders online,” Erkes said, “but we have typically the same capacity we have any other day, with the amount of people we can get through the door; the amount of orders we can take.”
Some of those orders, bigger now. Erkes said some are choosing to stock-up.
“I think the numbers month to month will continue to be steady,” he said.
Molina checked in with the state and city on that, and the tax revenue they get from such orders. The city and state said it is too early to tell how April’s numbers will stack up.
Statewide sales in March totaled more than $35 million.
It is still unclear if COVID-19 could affect the $28 million Governor JB Pritzker estimated the state will collect in taxes; $3.5 million for the city of Chicago.
“While this is the first year cannabis is legal in Illinois for 4/20, revelers should continue to consume cannabis and cannabis infused products responsibly,” Toi Hutchinson, Senior Advisor for Cannabis Control to Gov. Pritzker said in a statement. “Illinoisans who are purchasing products from dispensaries should practice the social-distancing methods recommended by the Illinois Department of Public Health and any consumer who is sick or exhibiting symptoms of COVID-19 should remain at home.”
The Mayor’s office said the city’s projected cannabis revenues represent only 0.03 percent of the 2020 budget, and while the fiscal impact of the coronavirus crisis remains to be seen, the city plans for such events by including multiple financial scenarios in its budget forecasting.
Pritzker signed an executive order extending the deadline for some recreational cannabis business licenses because of COVID-19. That deadline is coming up on April 30.
 
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