Dynavap VapCap

vandalizedbythelotus said:

link pls ... because dynavap sells them for 1$ each ...
regardless ... my point about ground vs polished glass stands ... the polished looks/feels better and is easier to clean

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This had been discussed extensively in this forum, including the pros and cons of various 0-ring materials. You will find links in the sig line of any post by @Squiby and in the best of dynavap thread. Hope that helps.

Even at a buck a ring it's a none issue. Many of us have o-rings that are years old.

If your point is "looks/feels better and is easier to clean" then why not say that instead of talking about potential o-ring wear. I can't know your point unless you state it. Look at feel is your opinion which you are entitled to and I would not have comment on that.

vandalizedbythelotus said:

but i already have that stuff ... kinda wanted some silver shit too ... guess i'll have to make my own because dynavap wants to sell exclusive crap ... exclusive ... gimme a break lol for the sake of being exclusive

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Well then please educate me on what makes an item exclusive. If an Aston Martin was the same price as a Yugo or Chevy would it be exclusive. The correct answer is no. Remember exclusive is the opposite of inclusive. People who can afford exclusive items buy them precisely because very few can afford them, they are exclusive. It's in the very definition of the word.

Do you think "some silver shit" will make your life better in some significant way?
Stainless steel and titanium are far better materials for a stem.

vandalizedbythelotus said:

off the top of my head a better airport design, maybe a wider condenser for better airflow

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Ok, what would make a better airport design? The airport is essentially a hole, how does one improve a hole? Honest question.

Personally (for me) more airflow would not be better. That aside I'm not sure a larger condenser would increase airflow, the condenser it not the choke point. Regardless point taken that you would like more airflow and or an easier draw.

sag said:

I hope I don't regret this...but I don't like the aesthetics of the omni.

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Agreed I am not a fan of the aesthetic of the omni stem. Admittedly I have never held one or seen one in the flesh. Lot's of third party suppliers and styles are available though.

RogueGuy said:

the entirety of the "Omni" system is in the condenser and Ti tip.

One can make ANY 62mm stem with a carb into an "Omni".

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BINGO! @RogueGuy

sag said:

I hope I don't regret this...but I don't like the aesthetics of the omni. I have an older model that I like very much. It is my daily driver and has been for years. I want an xl model but not in the present form.

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Would you like an Omni if it had a wooden body no larger in diameter than the current stem? Just saying would that be 'unique' enough?

AcidFlashbang said:

George even acknowledged that you'll need to keep the o rings well lubricated on the announcement stream. It's just a corner cut to make the profit margin higher

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I'm sure economic manufacturing is a priority for Dynavap as for any other company, but you seem to refer *any* design choice to either cut costs or just a plain attempt to rake in money.

A rougher surface will a) provide more grip for the o rings than a polished one but also b) require the o rings to be lubricated to prevent excessive wear. How about that?

AcidFlashbang said:

If you want to be pedantic you can at least bother yourself to be correct. The stem is very clearly sold as an omni stem. They dont market the new silver pieces as omni stems so it is a specific design.
https://www.dynavap.com/dynashop/vaporizers-parts/stem-omni-titanium/

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Have you heard of the OmniVong?

The Omni system relies on the respective condenser and the mouthpiece – not on the stem.

Siebter said:

I'm sure economic manufacturing is a priority for Dynavap as for any other company, but you seem to refer *any* design choice to either cut costs or just a plain attempt to rake in money.

A rougher surface will a) provide more grip for the o rings than a polished one but also b) require the o rings to be lubricated to prevent excessive wear. How about that?



Have you heard of the OmniVong?

The Omni system relies on the ti tip, the respective condenser and the mouthpiece – not on the stem.

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Hoe much time do you think it takes to flame polish? They only need to polish approximately a half inch to prevent O Ring wear and be easily cleaned of the small amount of reclaim that collects on the stem. The added cost can't be more than $5 and even that is a ridiculously high estimate. They already have it in a lathe to grind it so there's no reason not to torch it for a few seconds to polish the interior. If the lack of friction in polished glass was a concern, they would have ground the interior of the BB9. You're being obtuse by shifting the goalposts from the omni stem to the omnivap device as there is a part called an omni stem that has been changed before. (I'm sure there were third party stems then as well)
You can call it whatever you want but them adding all these half-assed/overpriced when they have increasing QA issues just shows me they've become complacent even with their ever increasing cash flow.

@AcidFlashbang – Enlighten me, what function does the Omni stem provide and how does it work?

Oh @Planck - I can think of some interesting things for the airport. I want a normally closed airport! Something like a wind instrument as an adapter would be fine. That could get very interesting as a bling kit. Do remember you heard it here first!

The only thing that seems to set Omni stems aside is the lack of mouthpiece indent on the M.

Siebter said:

@AcidFlashbang – Enlighten me, what function does the Omni stem provide and how does it work?

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It provides an enclosure for the condenser and attachment for the mouthpiece and tip. Just because it's not the core of the device doean't mean it has no function. If I need to explain how that works you might be impaired.

TommyDee said:

Oh @Planck
The only thing that seems to set Omni stems aside is the lack of mouthpiece indent on the M.

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And being made of titanium.

Finally got the chance to pass along the karmavap I got months ago. My friend, visiting from newly Rec-legal Michigan, is thrilled. I so appreciate the karmavap program, Dynavap. Thank you!

AcidFlashbang said:

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And being made of titanium.

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And that but basically any tube 62mm in length with a 5/16"-8mm hole through the center with a small breather hole in the middle of the mess makes for a stem. I choose wood because it is light weight.

AcidFlashbang said:

It provides an enclosure for the condenser and attachment for the mouthpiece and tip. Just because it's not the core of the device doean't mean it has no function. If I need to explain how that works you might be impaired.

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Stop suggesting I'm impaired just because I don't share your ideas, okay? Thank you.

So it's actually not a part that the Omni system relies on, any other stem with the right size will work too – which was my point.

Planck said:

Agreed I am not a fan of the aesthetic of the omni stem. Admittedly I have never held one or seen one in the flesh. Lot's of third party suppliers and styles are available though.
@RogueGuy

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My two cents on the omni stem, is it truly is a luxury piece. I thought the feel and handling of the omni stem was such a treat to use, and I loved the omni condenser. Dynavap did a great job with the omni design. I truly didn't think it would be that big of a difference going from the M to the omni, but it is.

If/when they come out with an update, I hope they don't go to overboard on the redesign. In its current config, it can roll off a table if set down carelessly. A new design could incorporate an asymmetrical design, kind of like the Hydra or vongs, which would allow you to set the vape down without worry.

The whole thing that attracted me to the dynavap lineup was it was functional without a lot of frills and bullshit. Again, if/when they do a redesign on the omni, I hope they go more understated with the design.

After a month of using the dynavap, I am still not blown away by it. But I understand it has its place. The small bowls, on-demand vapor, and pleasing aesthetic of puffing on a futuristic cigarette comes together for a novelty that I am appreciating.

I did want to share this with you guys. lucid customs was holding a holday giveaway and I happened to be the winner. Snapped some shots of this gorgeous instrument. Take a look. Serial number 04/20, limited edition.

Omni is like an adjustable needle valve in a classic carburetor. The M is a fixed flow design. Both designs can be modulated by a 'choke' function that is apparently called an 'airport'.

However, I can envision a design where DV/opportunity can internally add a piece that makes the 'airport' normally closed and is activated with a button through the stem. That would solve the rolling-off-the-table problem without using a thicker wall tube in fabrication. Normally-open airports are useless to me. But that's just me.

AcidFlashbang said:

If I need to explain how that works you might be impaired.

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you meant "impaired" in a good way (stoned) and not a mean, insulting way as that would run afoul of our Be Nice rule. I make it a rule to only give someone the benefit of the doubt once, so please choose your words more carefully going forward, ok?

Let's play nice, folks.

Thanks.

@StringTheorista that's so cool.

I ended up keeping my Karma Vap because I didn't have someone to give it to. But I recently won an M in the Eds/VA/MakeAWish raffle and I'm going to send it to one of my oldest friends that I just reconnected with.

Super excited for him to try it. His only vape is a Pax

TommyDee said:

Both designs can be modulated by a 'choke' function that is apparently called an 'airport'.

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Have I read this correctly? Didn't you mean to say "carb"

You know I'm just kidding @TommyDee.

@RogueGuy, boy is your friend going to be in for a flavorful treat once he gets that M.

TommyDee said:

Oh @Planck - I can think of some interesting things for the airport. I want a normally closed airport! Something like a wind instrument as an adapter would be fine. That could get very interesting as a bling kit. Do remember you heard it here first!

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You can be the Pied Piper of the Dynaverse.
A whole new hole.
TDCap same great taste now with 33% more less hole.
Or Silent Knight Holey Knight, crusader of a draw so tight.
Airport closed due to fog!
Here's to you TD.

@nonamekevin well stated, thanks. I had a similar reaction to the Hydravong, much more than I expected.

@Stu Perhaps I'm not the only own singing "He know when you've been naughty He knows when you've been nice" while reading your last post. Seasons best moderate moderator.

TommyDee said:

Omni is like an adjustable needle valve in a classic carburetor. The M is a fixed flow design. Both designs can be modulated by a 'choke' function that is apparently called an 'airport'.

However, I can envision a design where DV/opportunity can internally add a piece that makes the 'airport' normally closed and is activated with a button through the stem. That would solve the rolling-off-the-table problem without using a thicker wall tube in fabrication. Normally-open airports are useless to me. But that's just me.

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Interesting idea to have the carb normally closed (NC) but then open with a button push. Personally, next to the omni condenser, the next best idea I've seen for hands free operation was from someone on here. I don't think it was @RogueGuy, but maybe? It was a metal band on the exterior of the stem that rotated around the stem to limit the amount of air entering. Cool idea for sure, no extra parts, clean design.

Even though I've all but moved on from the dynavap, I still enjoy checking this thread out because of all the cool/wacky/ridiculous ideas that people come up with for how to use their DV. The tinkerer in me appreciates it.

nonamekevin said:

It was a metal band on the exterior of the stem that rotated around the stem to limit the amount of air entering. Cool idea for sure, no extra parts, clean design.

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That was me a long time ago like 2017ish, good memory!

I still use that on my original M. The ring was from a tire pressure gauge pocket clip with the clip part removed and the remain ring ground smooth where the clip was broken off.

TommyDee said:

Omni is like an adjustable needle valve in a classic carburetor.

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Do you mean the idle adjustment? In my limited experience the needle jet can usually only be adjusted with the carb apart while the pilot jets and idle adjustment are easily accessible. I learned that with the shit carbs I got on my bike. Back on topic, I thought of a stem that has three parts, two that thread together and hold a ring that can be rotated and tightened in place with the threads to adjust airflow.

Stu said:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you meant "impaired" in a good way (stoned) and not a mean, insulting...

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Knew I should've went with intoxicated

Anyway @Siebter I suggested you were intoxicated as you were missing our point entirely. They dont care about what customers ask for which, among the common things asked for, the omni update is one. Nobody expects them to rework the condenser as that's not what they did the last omni update. You were being obtuse by getting hung up on the stem not being the whole omni system which anybody should understand via context clues. Getting hung up on such a small detail as if everyone knows exactly how an omni works and then asking me how a stem works is quite frankly ridiculous and why I figured you must be intoxicated as that should be axiomatic.

Planck said:

This had been discussed extensively in this forum, including the pros and cons of various 0-ring materials. You will find links in the sig line of any post by @Squiby and in the best of dynavap thread. Hope that helps.

Even at a buck a ring it's a none issue. Many of us have o-rings that are years old.

If your point is "looks/feels better and is easier to clean" then why not say that instead of talking about potential o-ring wear. I can't know your point unless you state it. Look at feel is your opinion which you are entitled to and I would not have comment on that.

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i did say that in my original post. i'm sure you understand the difference between polished and unpolished glass beyond my personal feelings, from a technical standpoint. it's why polished is generally prefered in almost all applications ... and why it would also be better here ... which is what the argument was all about (btw let's end it pls)

Planck said:

Well then please educate me on what makes an item exclusive. If an Aston Martin was the same price as a Yugo or Chevy would it be exclusive. The correct answer is no. Remember exclusive is the opposite of inclusive. People who can afford exclusive items buy them precisely because very few can afford them, they are exclusive. It's in the very definition of the word.

Do you think "some silver shit" will make your life better in some significant way?
Stainless steel and titanium are far better materials for a stem.

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i know what exclusive is, also know about TI and SS stems obviously ... i just don't agree with exclusivity for no good reason. i like and use silver tools in my daily life. i'd like a vapcap unibody silver stem, maybe with a glass condenser (polished on the inside as well) ... yes that would make my life better

Planck said:

Ok, what would make a better airport design? The airport is essentially a hole, how does one improve a hole? Honest question.

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i'm sure i'm not the only one struggling with the current TI body/stem's airport. i think a carved area around the proverbial hole would greatly improve the tactile feedback
see 2018 vs 2019 SS body, hydravong/simrell's offcenter airport design = improved hole

Planck said:

Personally (for me) more airflow would not be better. That aside I'm not sure a larger condenser would increase airflow, the condenser it not the choke point. Regardless point taken that you would like more airflow and or an easier draw.

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yes part of what makes simrell's stems a success is the wider condenser, for good reason

Imgbb is playing up so apologies for the IG link.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B57f3TMHm6N/?igshid=1d9y6ras5alau

Flame polishing takes more than a couple of seconds to do correctly.
Too much heat and the glass will go out of shape.
While I agree it's better I can also understand why DV don't do it.

Has this turned into a vapcap whinging thread?
My favorite is the original omni with the optional glass body.
I would like a bigger brother version of the vapcap, not sure if that is doable?

lookhigh said:

Has this turned into a vapcap whinging thread?
My favorite is the original omni with the optional glass body.
I would like a bigger brother version of the vapcap, not sure if that is doable?

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it's all just feedback really with some personal attacks and general confusion sprinkled on for good measure ...
IIRC George addressed our demands for bigger versions saying something along the lines of "it's possible to make but it's not really our target" way i understood it was they are into making a device for moderate use rather than rip your face off kind of thing ... plus a larger diameter would presumably impair the lego aspect
i think this was in one of the more recent streams during Q&A

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AcidFlashbang said:

Do you mean the idle adjustment? In my limited experience the needle jet can usually only be adjusted with the carb apart while the pilot jets and idle adjustment are easily accessible. I learned that with the shit carbs I got on my bike. Back on topic, I thought of a stem that has three parts, two that thread together and hold a ring that can be rotated and tightened in place with the threads to adjust airflow.
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This thread moves way to fast. Simpler; motorcycle carb with the big-ass needle going into the metering hole connected directly to the throttle cable. That is the condenser in the Omni being pushed or retracted from the VC. It is a 'metering' function. The airport acts as a choke. Since VC's with condensers have two carb functions, we have 2 elements better defined than just calling the hole a carb. Remove the condenser and you have a carb 'to clear the chamber of smoke'. But the term "smoke' messes everything up in the urban dictionary for 'carb'. The M and XL still uses this metering approach, but at a fixed rate where feathering the airport adjust the 'fuel mixture'. That is what makes the Omni a lot more vape than say the M.

Normally closed airport... I'll let that rattle around in DV's chamber of secrets.