hi guys from those experienced, what would be more potent using the same amount of avb? I have experience with making cannabutter using coconut oil and pressure cooker method. I just picked up a magical butter machine and want to do on or the other. any advice is welcomed.
cococut oil vs tincture
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I do not think one is necessarily more potent than the other. It depends on how much oil or alcohol you add. But 1kg of alcoholic tincture should be as potent as 1kg of coconut oil extract, made from the same amount of AVB.
Alcoholic tinctures tend to act faster (20min) than coconut oil extract (1h)
Alcoholic tinctures tend to act faster (20min) than coconut oil extract (1h)
Yes, you are right. Lecithin does help to uptake the cannabinoids from an oily extract. I have not yet tried that successfully, I just made a big lump of cooked lecithin that tasted a little like burnt plastic. There are recipes hidden on FC on how to correctly add the lecithin. I just cannot remember where now, sorry.
I am not aware of a similar additive for an alcoholic tincture. The uptake from an alcoholic tincture anyway is a bit different to an oily extract. More 11-hydroxy-THC from an oily extract.
sickmanfraud
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Sorry to tell you something you might not want to hear...
The best thing you can do with the Magical Butter Machine is to send it back.
The MBM requires 2 Cups of oil to work. Very few recipes for normal size batches need anywhere near 2 cups. One of my favorite cannabis recipes (Banana Chocolate chip cookie/cake) calls for 1 cup of oil and gives 24 pieces (doses) Also, to make 2 cups of potent oil you need a LOT of AVB. The recipe I use calls for a cup of oil. I use 1/4 cup STRONG canna-oil and 3/4 cup of bananas.
Let's try the math. Say 48 pieces (doses) for your 2 cups of oil. If you want the cake to have say 40 mg THC per piece you need 1,920 mg THC. How strong was your cannabis to start and what percentage of cannabinoids remain?
I have been making Green Dragon Tinctures and other edibles for over 7 years. I will be happy to help via PM if you are interested.
Send the MBM back and take the money and buy a NOVA decarboxylater.
sickmanfraud thanks so much for the heads up, its very much appreciated. what are your feelings on using water to displace the oil and alcohol? I saw a you tube video where a lady did this and later removed the water from the product by refrigerating butter and freezing the tincture? would this affect potency at all? any negatives doing it this way? I get all my avb from my vaporizer use and a good friend also donates to me his avb so our stuff is activated, I really don't have any clue to potency because my stuff doesn't come from a dispensary its all different sources.
what a lasts longer unused over time tincture or coconut oil. after it is made do I need to refrigerate both or just the coconut butter?
what a lasts longer unused over time tincture or coconut oil. after it is made do I need to refrigerate both or just the coconut butter?
It depends on your tolerance and how far you like to vape your herb but IMO, ABV is better suited to things like salves and topicals than tinctures and edibles.
The tincture is essentially preserved from the alcohol so I would bet on it lasting the longest as lipid fats from oils will rancidify eventually.
The tincture is essentially preserved from the alcohol so I would bet on it lasting the longest as lipid fats from oils will rancidify eventually.
wait I am a little confused now, I thought avb and decarbed herb was basically the same? I made some coconut oil butter with out lecithin using the pressure cooker method and a spoonful was plenty strong for my tolerance. it had me dancing in my bed, lol! my friends also thought potency was great too.
A truly efficient vaporizer should not leave much behind in the ABV. A proper decarb would achieve the maximum availabile potency, whereas ABV will be missing whatever you've already vaporized.
sickmanfraud
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Do not confuse making Canna-coconut-oil with an ethanol tincture.
There are many who add water to cannabis and lipid mixtures (butter, oil) and rely on cooling/freezing to assist separation. Personally I do not add water to coconut oil under any circumstances.
Adding water to ethanol at the wrong time makes the green dragon tincture into a separate project to remove all the ethanol and all the water and reconstitute the tincture with more ethanol.
When making edibles it is worth it to be sure of the ingredients and tools necessary for the end product before you start.
It is a lot less expensive to pause and confirm what you are doing and going to do next than it is to fix an improper assumption.
Depending on how you learn best you may want to read the recipe and ask questions or ask for recipe suggestions and make what catches your attention.
To cover the taste associated with AVB you probably want a recipe that uses a lot of chocolate. A recipe that uses coconut, peanut butter or nuts as part of the recipe increases the fat content which some say increases the effects of the THC.
I have done alot of reading. I plan on making two separate batches. First will be a simple coconut oil/sunflower lecithin with avb in my magical butter machine. The second batch will be a simple tincture with ever clear and avb also done in my magical butter machine. All I need to know is the minimum ratios of ingredients to use with magic butter machine. I hear tinctures taste very bad, I saw in a recipe where they put cinnamon candies in tincture to hide bad avb taste.
I dont want to mess with chocolate or baking yet, I want to keep it as simple as possible.
Please keep tips coming very helpful I appreciate it.
Here is one recipe I read, simple.
https://wakeandbake-co.cdn.ampproje... %1$s&share=https://wakeandbake.co/tinctures/
I dont want to mess with chocolate or baking yet, I want to keep it as simple as possible.
Please keep tips coming very helpful I appreciate it.
Here is one recipe I read, simple.
https://wakeandbake-co.cdn.ampproje... %1$s&share=https://wakeandbake.co/tinctures/
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Truth Seeker
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There's only about 4% THC left in AVB according to Sam at grass city who has had it lab tested.
Inverted is probably correct better for use with topicals yet I've eaten AVB and been blown away....lol
I have allow tolerance for edibles though....lol
Inverted is probably correct better for use with topicals yet I've eaten AVB and been blown away....lol
I have allow tolerance for edibles though....lol
I finished the tincture, it came out great doesn't taste bad really, but that burn from the everclear that was unexpected. potency is very nice, put me out nice and smooth. I used master wu's green dragon tincture method using the magical butter maker machine, awesome machine no worries about flames and everclear just set it forget it. I ran the mixture for 8 hours. I am looking forward to making some butter this weekend.