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Crafty/Crafty+ by Storz & Bickel

audiodelic

... Boom Shiva !
I had two dead OG crafty's in a span of three years, second one died in few months itself. Promised myself will never buy again.

But its the only vape that does the no external power camping scenario well for me, since i dont own a dynavap. I will carry few portable battery packs and use that as backup.

So after seeing troys review, i pulled the trigger, im hoping for a better reliability with this new model.
 

Victim33

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This could be a couple things ... could be your temp sensor next to the battery, or your battery could actually be getting too hot (which the sensor is supposed to detect).

Hopefully not the sensor as these are hard to come by! But if it's the cell, I can help you out there.


I agree with you on both, but I don't think its the sensor cause I literally can feel it's warmer than normal, plus my crafty is only lasting like 2 bowls before the battery temp to high comes on and battery is dying really fast, I've talked to you before about a battery just working on getting the cash
 
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blackstone

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Well that mild soap style fragrance is still there for me, it almost never left my 2017 Crafty. Surprised I don't hear more about it. But it might be affecting some peoples impressions of these vapes at first. My first Mighty seemed fine, maybe it's heat resistant plastic smell.
But my first thoughts are that the vapor is great, with a full capsule 0.12 - 0.14 you get some great tasty pulls but it did seem to get toasty quite quick, not sure if toasty faster than old Crafty. I think the initial factory fragrance probably doesn't help this.
That was starting at 180 and temp boosting.
Maybe with this different heater you will get nice rips for longer at lower temps. The OG one wasn't bad at that either.

With my style use that I normally do with Mighty where I put about 0.05 - 0.07 in a cap with small pad at full temperature and heatsoak for a minute, then run through water,
this Crafty+ is absolutely brilliant! The airflow (better than my 2018 Mighty), and extraction through water is amazing and I think it's as strong, maybe stronger than my Mighty in this use. I was almost too nicely! Still hitting hard.
But my mind tells me to probably stick to using Mighty at high temp through water at home for now, though I will definitely probably benefit greatly from what a Mighty+ would offer me for home use through water like this, I really look forward,
As I'm the type that would like to have both these vapes for different uses.
I'll sell my Mighty soon to prepare.
And i dont find the costs excessive or wasteful all things considered, and with 3 yr warranty on each.

The ABV might have been slightly darker from caps I did in the Mighty, ill have to check this.
But this vape will do very well what I intended, really good hits, faster heating up than before, and extract fast/hit hard when I sneak off for a minute.
It's like the 3 temp settings are how quickly you need to get done, and how strong the vapor is.

I timed the heat up roughly:
Crafty+ about 95% charged room temperature to 180c = 68 seconds. To 210c = 87 seconds.
Mighty fully charged and plugged in, room temp to 180c = 75 seconds. To 210c = 94 seconds.
Battery life so far seems very ample for my uses with this!
I am stuck with some file exception message on the app on android its probably the age of my tablet.
I only want to dim the lights so far though, i think I turned on vibration but cant see my hours yet.

Also @ohmygodimsohigh said in his vid that Craftys have no way to tell you battery life, but on both models when you power off there is a blue light.
Blue solid = battery good.
Blue slow flash = battery less good
Blue fast flash = Charge me now please!

Hope that helps someone sometime!

@audiodelic , I would have to fully agree with @karec that notable reliabilty improvements already seemed to become apparent in even 2017 models. Unless some bugs in a new vape? You should be OK!
 
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JCat

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Hey everyone ... so I can write a web app to update your Crafty (maybe another 4 hours to get it working and published), but no support on iOS no matter what for web Bluetooth so still won’t work on iPhone or iPad, however, you could then manage your crafty with a PC, Mac, Linux Box, and Android ...

what does everyone think? Is this something people will want?
 
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JCat

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FYI--Here's a sample. I'll have it available as a web site for people to use by sometime this weekend I imagine. Uses Web Bluetooth API's, and it's written in Ionic/React.

Works well and allows one to control their crafty from any of the following as long as they have a Bluetooth LE adapter installed:
- PC
- Mac
- Linux
- Android

No iOS though as no browsers on iOS support Web Bluetooth.

I can make small changes to use the native bluetooth API's, and then deploy as an app, however, I can't actually distribute it as you can't legally distribute enterprise signed applications to the public, and I can only register up to 100 devices per year to my dev account for using the dev signed version. Could distribute to up to 10,000 users using TestFlight distribution ... but then I'd have to redistribute and people would have to reinstall every 3 months!

Can't publish to App Store 'cause of Apple.

So basically there is no good way to get it to work on your iPhone or iPad; the only caveat is if you have your own Apple Developer account, or know someone who does who can compile/sign this for you, then you can build it and install it yourself on your iDevice. (ie. I could install this app on my device, but I can't distribute it)

At least this will allow users who don't own an Android device to use their PC to manage their settings on their Crafty (although not great for out-and-about).

localhost-8100-home-i-Phone-6-7-8-1.png
 

JCat

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FYI--Here's a sample of an app I just made (started yesterday). I'll have it available as a web site for people to use by sometime this weekend I imagine. Uses Web Bluetooth API's, and it's written in Ionic/React. (just need to finish some stuff ... at least get the booster temp setting into the main page)

Works well and allows one to control their crafty from any of the following as long as they have a Bluetooth LE adapter installed:
- PC
- Mac
- Linux
- Android

No iOS though as no browsers on iOS support Web Bluetooth.

I can make small changes to use the native bluetooth API's, and then deploy as an app, however, I can't actually distribute it as you can't legally distribute enterprise signed applications to the public, and I can only register up to 100 devices per year to my dev account for using the dev signed version. Could distribute to up to 10,000 users using TestFlight distribution ... but then I'd have to redistribute and people would have to reinstall every 3 months!

Can't publish to App Store 'cause of Apple.

So basically there is no good way to get it to work on your iPhone or iPad; the only caveat is if you have your own Apple Developer account, or know someone who does who can compile/sign this for you, then you can build it and install it yourself on your iDevice. (ie. I could install this app on my device, but I can't distribute it)

At least this will allow users who don't own an Android device to use their PC to manage their settings on their Crafty (although not great for out-and-about).

localhost-8100-home-i-Phone-6-7-8-1.png
 

dzoinp

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I've just edited the title of this thread to read "Crafty Plus" rather than "Crafty+". The plus sign was causing issues and it's possible this was one of them. Please let me know if you continue to have the problem.

Thanks ... sorry but it looks the same ...
Tinymight thread is the same
 
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JCat

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Ok everyone, so I've created a web app accessible at https://github.cataford.com/crafty with Ionic/ReactJS/Web Bluetooth that will work on Chrome browsers on:
- PC
- Mac
- Linux
- Android

The device of course has to have a Bluetooth LE adapter.

It unfortunately won't work on iOS devices, as Apple has not added Web Bluetooth support to the WebKit browser (safari and everything really on iOS).

So again, here's the URL:

https://github.cataford.com/crafty

And here's some screenshots:

crafty-connect.png
github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8.png


github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8-1.png
github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8-2.png


Hope everyone likes this! Not a perfect solution, but at least then you don't need an Android device (everyone has a PC or Mac!)
 

elmomuzz

That just happened...
So one day with my + and I loooove it. The new plastic and shape make it feel really good in the hand. It does heat up way faster then my original crafty and I dare say the draw is slightly improved. The three temperature options are great.
More testing required to see if the battery really lasts like a mighty.

The lack of accessories is a bummer but I have them from previous s&b purchases so whatever.
 

JCat

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Ok everyone, so I've created a web app accessible at https://github.cataford.com/crafty with Ionic/ReactJS/Web Bluetooth that will work on Chrome browsers on:
- PC
- Mac
- Linux
- Android

The device of course has to have a Bluetooth LE adapter.

I’ve only tested so far with a Crafty as I don’t have a Crafty+. But if someone could test and let me know that would be great!

It unfortunately won't work on iOS devices, as Apple has not added Web Bluetooth support to the WebKit browser (safari and everything really on iOS).

So again, here's the URL:

https://github.cataford.com/crafty

And here's some screenshots:

crafty-connect.png
github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8.png


github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8-1.png
github-cataford-com-crafty-i-Phone-6-7-8-2.png


Hope everyone likes this! Not a perfect solution, but at least then you don't need an Android device (everyone has a PC or Mac!)
 

JCat

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Very cool tested on PC and Android as well. It just works, I don't have an iPhone so I'm not inconvenienced but thank you for this.
I’m still pursuing an iOS option for users ... just waiting for an answer from author of WebBLE
 

blackstone

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Thank you for all your efforts @JCat
Just saying, I could only get a blank screen with it on android tablet here in Europe.
(Original new app not working for me either, getting a "could not read project status register 2" message, which Ive heard another poster mention)
Thanks.
 

JCat

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Thank you for all your efforts @JCat
Just saying, I could only get a blank screen with it on android tablet here in Europe.
(Original new app not working for me either, getting a "could not read project status register 2" message, which Ive heard another poster mention)
Thanks.
It does need the correct version of chrome installed. Apart from that, it should work. Haven’t done much Android testing yet (although I’ve heard others that have successfully) ... mostly Windows and Mac.

I just updated it actually, so it will allow install for offline use, so now you can pick “Install Crafty Control” from your chrome menu and it will install it like a native app (adds to start menu and runs offline but updates if connected and update is available)

Edit: Blank screen sounds like an old or unsupported browser though ... chrome, safari, and Firefox should all display the app properly (not IE) just only chrome will allow the Bluetooth communication.

Edit edit: until the app comes up and you click “connect” no communication has even started with your Crafty, so your Crafty isn’t part of the issue, just your tablet not running the script properly in the browser.
 
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Milo

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Nice work! I don't have a Crafty but I'd be a lot more comfortable getting one knowing this exists.
 
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davesmith

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Glass Blower
I got both my crafty+ (vaposhop and nameste) currently trying to return the vaposhop as even in the black Friday sale its still the everyday price at nameste. I've not had a response for my rma request yet, if it gets to Tues day I'll call them I think.

Both shops were fine for tracking etc but I'm no fussy about that stuff really.

Unit itself is great so far. I dont like how plastic it feels in the hand but it works. It's much lighter than I expected too which is nice. Am getting 6-8 bowls off a full charge currently but that's not a proper test, just general usage.

And thanks @JCat for that app ill check that out this eve big up
 

paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
To clarify I tested more today. It did acknowledge my Crafty but wouldn't connect unless it was on. On Android I may have been high as I haven't actually gotten in to connect, just show up then give connecting but never actually connect like it did on my PC. I tested in Opera and Chrome on my Essential PH-1 running the latest version of Android 10 and Chrome. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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JCat

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Very cool tested on PC and Android as well. It just works, I don't have an iPhone so I'm not inconvenienced but thank you for this.
Did you test with Crafty+ ?

I’ve only tested with an older version Crafty so far :)

If I had an updated one or a plus I’d also add the auto-off configuration and the countdown timer ... but these are not available in earlier version Craftys.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
I have crafty+ only to test. Honestly the timers are so garbage and unreliable. I have mine for a minute and it rarely works consistently.
 
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JCat

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I have crafty+ only to test. Honestly the timers are so garbage and unreliable. I have mine for a minute and it rarely works consistently.
Excellent! I figured they wouldn’t have changed the BLE interface with the Crafty+ and good to get confirmation :)
 

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