Discontinued Vape-Or-Smoke Vaporizer

I've had some small problems with the lighter as well. I only use Vector or Power butane. Sometimes it doesn't like to light no matter how high the fuel is set, and the metal on the adjustment dial is made out of shitty pot metal which easily chips and loses shape. The lighter really is the Achilles heel of this device, mated with what could be a "better" heat reduction system. When I spoke to the VOS people, who were super friendly by the way, they told me a second lighter is in the works which is more geared toward low temps.

The amount of butane it can carry is also a little small for my liking. Maybe the whole device should of been made a little longer and wider so it could take maybe twice as much. If you look at the device as a whole, butane storage is a very small portion of its real estate.

I still enjoy my VOS for concentrates, for sure.
 
charliedontsurf,

HindenPeter

Vape-or-Smoker
charliedontsurf, yeah, the new lighter is supposed to have better butane capacity, and, from what I've been told, 2 settings: one for vaporizing, one for smoking. I'm really anticipating getting one of my own, but I fear that may yet be a few months out.

One thing you guys might like to check out is an airflow mod for the VoS that I literally JUST posted to piecemods.com. Sorry about the huge gap between posts, real life (and a sweet Hawaii vacation) kept me away. Hope you guys find it as useful as I have!
 
HindenPeter,

babalao15

Member
Thanks for the kind words guys, today I've yet to hear anything at all from VOS people. Hindenpeter, if you can help me I'm cool with that, please do, I could use 6 or 7 of those little lighters to see me thru the summer. I can send you my contact info from babalao15@yahoo.com. After spending almost $200 bucks I still don't feel I have a reliable portable piece. I agree that but for the lighter this could be a great product, but I stopped showing mine off because I feel having to replace the lighter this often is not acceptable without at least full disclosure. It'd be great if they made the lighter replaceable with a disposable butane lighter easily found like a bic or the like. My problem is the piezo dies and it's good night Irene, back to smoking as this is my only piece.
Is anyone else having this problem?
 
babalao15,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
babalao15 said:
It'd be great if they made the lighter replaceable with a disposable butane lighter easily found like a bic or the like. My problem is the piezo dies and it's good night Irene, back to smoking as this is my only piece......
like one of these guys?
microjet-lighter.jpg

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/tools/8868/

Do they work? Maybe not consistently enough for a vaping application I suspect...... but I've never seen one except online.
 
WatTyler,

babalao15

Member
Yes, but it'd be even better if VOS had a decent lighter for this piece, or at least let customers know that the lighters are going to fail as they have for me., you know, going in with your eyes open. I just feel sort of scammed into buying lighters every month for around $20, that's over $200 a year + VS price, WOW!
$340 1st year!
 
babalao15,

babalao15

Member
Hey! WatTyler, I see you have an alivi8, I'm looking into changing my VS for something more reliable. I saw one of these Alivi8 and it seemed sort of cool. I know this thread is about the VS (apologies), but if you can give me a quick thumbs up or down, that'd be helpful. Thanks...
 
babalao15,

WatTyler

Revolting Peasant
At the moment the jury's out- I've only had it a week and done 20-30 bowls, but I'm inclined to say thumbs down at the moment. It makes vapor, but not good efficiency (loads to revape in SSV), or lots of combustion- a really tricky learning curve so far. The main problem IMO is that it's developed the bowl design from their combustion pipes (the Amazed). This means that you pack into the flame filter piece end, rather than the vape body. So when you take the flame filter/bowl off after hitting you're looking at the rear greener less vaped part of the bowl, rather than the toasted side, and there's no way to see how cooked it is. Also then when you give it a stir and re-pack in, it's pushed to the 'front' end of the bowl piece, leaving a gap behind. Suction of a hit seems to make the packed load then disintegrate loosley into this gap behind where is doesn't vape. The load of a vape should always be packed against the rear screen IMO. It's otherwise a nice design so I want it to work. I'm going to give it another week. That's a 2 week trial and if I've not learned it well by then I'll give up. I'll do a proper review with pics to show what I mean in the Alivi8 thread after when I've concluded my opinions.

Back to the VoS......
 
WatTyler,

Dberm

Active Member
Alright just here to throw in my :2c: about the VOS.

Just got it three days ago and the first day was about all it took for me to get the learning curve under control. Gotta say I've never fully combusted with this product, and I think the reason for that is that I put two circular SS screens in between the flame intake holes and the C shaped screen inthe bowl piece. I can have my flame up almost all the way and as long as I vary the flame light time which allows me to either vaporize or get to the "hybrid" vapor/smoke stage where you aren't quite combusting but the clouds are more visible than just vaping.

The flame on this product doesn't light unless you are drawing air through the mouthpiece. You have to inhale THEN light and continue inhaling for the flame to stay on.

So far I am STOKED on this product. One thing I will say is that it is not as stealthy as a MFLB due to the need to click the lighter on and off, but there could be ways around this like using some medical tubing over the mouthpiece. I just got off probation and have so far almost exclusively vaped with this product and so far I haven't had any problems with it besides the learning curve which was easily overcome with a day dedicated to learning about this product.

Edit: One thing that I have noticed is that the bowl gets hot pretty quickly. My main use for this thing is snowboarding with a bunch of friends, so I'd be using the VOS quite frequently and I could see this being a problem after a long sesh. On the flipside it also cools down pretty quickly as well.
 
Dberm,
mvapes said:
VapeNStone said:
I think I might get one of these. The MFLB doesn't seem to get me to where I want to be even with the 2700 batteries. Like my da buddha at home can pound huge hits in a matter of seconds because I'm able to draw very fast and crank the crap out of it. So with that said I believe I need a lighter based vaped so that I am able to reach the temps that I like. So I'm going to get rid of my MFLB and try this out(my buddies have been buggin to buy it anyways).

The MFLB is NOT meant to give monster hits, its meant to give clean consistent vapor sessions in a stealthy manner. If you are looking for big hits that could knock you out of your seat that stay away from the VOS...playing at high temps is not where this unit excels, it will combust and then you might as well not vape. If your looking for a good pocket unit than VOS serves its purpose as there is no real heat up time as opposed to using an Iolite. I like the VOS for that reason ONLY but honestly I would take the LB or the IO hands down over the ninja. Now, recently I bought the No2 and I have to say that this gives off some serious cloudwork! Its put me on my ass a few times. IMO, if your looking for a step up from your buddah than try the SSV, the Cloud, the VM2, or the Arizer Extreme Q. But to compare a buddah with a launch box is like comparing a mustang to a ferrari! yeah they are both fast but no where near the same class. :peace:
Oh for sure I'm going to upgrade the Da Buddha to the SSV soon enough. Just to updated I decided against the VOS and went and purchased the vaporgenie. I couldn't be happier. I am able to get huge and I mean huge ass hits from this thing since I'm the one that judges how hot I make it. Plus I just bought a electric lighter for a buck and some butane and I'm good to go. I'm glad I didn't spend the extra money. I have yet to combust with it and have seemed to have got down the learning curve almost after the first bowl. Now I can keep the MFLB for when I'm outside in the wind since this was so cheap. Because I seem to work the vaporgenie better with a regular flame versus the torch lighter.
 
VapeNStone,

HindenPeter

Vape-or-Smoker
Dberm said:
Edit: One thing that I have noticed is that the bowl gets hot pretty quickly. My main use for this thing is snowboarding with a bunch of friends, so I'd be using the VOS quite frequently and I could see this being a problem after a long sesh. On the flipside it also cools down pretty quickly as well.

They're actually working on a ceramic bowl to help with this. I was able to use a ceramic-coated stainless steel bowl a month or two ago, and it didn't heat up anywhere near as quickly as the plain stainless steel. I can't say when they'll be releasing a new bowl yet, though (mainly because I don't know) :/
 
HindenPeter,

babalao15

Member
Guys. as far as replacing my VOS, does anyone have both the mflb and the vos? How do they compare?
It's been 5 days since I wrote VOS about my lighter problem(again) and have yet to hear anything at all from anybody. Time to find another vape, has anyone had any experience with mflb customer service?
Thanks.
 
babalao15,

max

Out to lunch
has anyone had any experience with mflb customer service?
I can see you haven't done much reading in the MF thread. Quite a few people have taken advantage of their unconditional lifetime warranty-yeah, even if you fuck it up yourself. I'm an LB owner who has also used the VOS, and there's no comparison IMO. Even if you don't have any problems getting the VOS lighter to work (I did), I found it much harder to vape with than the LB.
 
max,

babalao15

Member
Thanks Max, I did read the lb thread, I wanted to get VOS users opinion of the lb on this thread. I have read about their great warranty and service also, and am impressed by it. Just want more reassurance, my last investment was costly and disappointing:(
 
babalao15,

max

Out to lunch
I did read the lb thread, I wanted to get VOS users opinion of the lb on this thread.
Well, I can see some preferring the VOS over the LB. After all, vaping situations do vary and people do have different preferences. As for VOS users having anything negative to say about MF customer service, if someone did, the reasons should be few-unrealistic expectations, a misunderstanding, or they're simply lying. MF has repeatedly demonstrated excellent customer svc.
 
max,

HindenPeter

Vape-or-Smoker
max and babaloa, I recently had a chance to use one of my friend's MFLBs. I was unimpressed. The amount of time it took to get the tiny amount of vapor it produces is far too long (btw, I can vape (instantly) whenever I want with my VoS, and so can you. Check out my posts on piecemods.com, or even go back a page or two in this thread. Seriously, you won't regret it), it's ridiculously easy to break, and carrying batteries around with you is not exactly what I'd call the ultimate in portability. On top of that, my friend has had his for what must be WAY too long, because it smells and tastes like rotting wood. Not exactly something I enjoy in my portable vaporizer.

VoS currently only offers a warranty on the lighter; they know it sucks. The reason the rest of the thing isn't under a warranty is because it's fucking invincible. I've done more to my VoS than I could possibly hope to ever do to an MFLB or an ioLite.

Also, babaloa15, I called my contact inside VoS and left a message to get them to talk to you personally. I'll send you an email as soon as he lets me know what he wants to do. I'm also going to send you like 5 or 6 lighters on Monday because they don't seem to be treating you as well as most of their other customers. I apologize for that; usually their customer service is spot-on, and they tend to send out new lighters to people with problems the day they get the ticket. I dunno what's happening in this instance.
 
HindenPeter,

babalao15

Member
I agree that I have found very little negative feedback on the lb, a few posts about needing a few extra batteries and a bit of a learning curve on not "overcooking". Some knucklehead manhandled the screen on his and complained it broke.He was advised by forum-friends to send it in for warranty and was sent a new one almost immediately, seems negligible.

I chose the vos because it seemed more "convenient". A personal thing not necessarily tied to any particular logic. I was enamored by the design and concept. As almost all infatuations it ended badly.

The lb is probably going to be my next investment on one of these tools. I like the concept of it, and the more I think about it the more I like it. No packing butane everywhere, no having to inhale pure butane while the lighter isn't lit , smaller, no clicks, no hot ass steel bowl and I agree the warranty is out of the vos league's..., not to mention the apparent cheerful prompt service.

Hey guys, I have a vos for sale, cheap!..:lol:
 
babalao15,

babalao15

Member
Hindenpeter
Thank you for your efforts.
I know you rep this product and you are the "face" of vos "here and there".
Must suck to have to deal with this sort of issue where the company drops the ball.

I first wrote vos on the 8th of July, as you can see on the ticket I attached to my post. I've yet to hear anything at all from anyone but you.
Anyone can see that I was not disrespectful to these folks. I even bought my own lighter inside of the warranty period. I just ordered the second one from Mr Vapo two days ago, because I got tired of waiting for a response.The last go around, only after two emails after receiving my own purchased lighter did they agree to send me the warranty piece.

Anyone company can make mistakes, but what they do to correct them is what defines them.
Not good.
 
babalao15,

max

Out to lunch
HindenPeter said:
The amount of time it took to get the tiny amount of vapor it produces is far too long
Your skills are obviously better with the VOS than the LB. It can produce a lot of vapor if that's how you choose to use it. I prefer small hits with this one though, and with a fresh load and a fresh bat, it takes all of five seconds for me to get one.

I can vape (instantly) whenever I want with my VoS, and so can you.
Tried it. Don't like it. Don't have any interest in improving my skills with it. Pretty much like your experience with the LB I guess. And I consider clicking a lighter, often quite a few times to no effect, to be less stealthy than the LB, and in some cases the iolite's hissing would be less noticeable. Different strokes....

it's ridiculously easy to break
If you mean the LB, I'd disagree, unless you're trying to break it.

carrying batteries around with you is not exactly what I'd call the ultimate in portability.
Carrying a couple of extras, (rarely necessary for my needs) takes a lot less space than my cell phone.

it smells and tastes like rotting wood.
Don't think I'd want to use his either, but my original is well used and odorless. I just keep the screen clean.

The reason the rest of the thing isn't under a warranty is because it's fucking invincible. I've done more to my VoS than I could possibly hope to ever do to an MFLB or an ioLite.
My experience was that it was much easier to damage than the LB or iolite. The one I used easily got some of the plastic melted while trying to figure out the proper vaping position. It wasn't exactly clear how to use it right away, and others shared my confusion. The directions I had were less than great.

Like I said, some will like it. Some will like other models. You have to weigh the pluses and minuses and see how it fits your likes and needs. It's not for me, and I've said my piece on it.

babalao15 said:
The lb is probably going to be my next investment on one of these tools.
If you're like most, you'll like it. I think it's the best stealth portable for most situations.
 
max,

HindenPeter

Vape-or-Smoker
max said:
HindenPeter said:
The amount of time it took to get the tiny amount of vapor it produces is far too long
Your skills are obviously better with the VOS than the LB. It can produce a lot of vapor if that's how you choose to use it. I prefer small hits with this one though, and with a fresh load and a fresh bat, it takes all of five seconds for me to get one.
I'll take your word for it.

max said:
I can vape (instantly) whenever I want with my VoS, and so can you.
Tried it. Don't like it. Don't have any interest in improving my skills with it. Pretty much like your experience with the LB I guess. And I consider clicking a lighter, often quite a few times to no effect, to be less stealthy than the LB, and in some cases the iolite's hissing would be less noticeable. Different strokes....
I've used my VoS on an airplane (going to and from Hawaii if you want to know), on the freeway, on a ski lift, in the movie theater... the list goes on. Nobody seems to care. Also, I've told this story time and time again (at least once in this thread)... I was driving with some friends to Pullman, WA from Seattle, WA, and we were passing through Ellensburg, a notorious speed trap, when we saw the blue and red lights. Right after we had just taken a few hits. So we pulled over, rolled down the windows, and the cop asks to search the car, which the (idiotic) owner agreed to because the cop could "smell the weed" even though smell is no longer probable cause... anyway, cop searches the car which contained 4 VoS's (yes, 4), the cop picked up my personal VoS, sniffed it (it was full of tasty herbs), and put it right back where he found it. If that's not stealth, I couldn't tell you what is.

max said:
it's ridiculously easy to break
If you mean the LB, I'd disagree, unless you're trying to break it.
When my friend handed it to me he said, "Careful, don't drop it, it might break." I dunno if he was being facetious or legit, but I'll take your word again. I must say, it didn't exactly feel sturdy in my hands.

max said:
carrying batteries around with you is not exactly what I'd call the ultimate in portability.
Carrying a couple of extras, (rarely necessary for my needs) takes a lot less space than my cell phone.
I wear fairly tight clothes most of the time. I find that even 1 extra battery takes up too much space in the few pockets I have. I suppose if you wear baggy clothes or cargo shorts or whatever, then yeah, they probably wouldn't take up too much room, but still, too bulky for me. BTW, I stick my VoS in my back pocket.

max said:
it smells and tastes like rotting wood.
Don't think I'd want to use his either, but my original is well used and odorless. I just keep the screen clean.
I'll ask my friend how much care he takes of his, cuz I really didn't like the nastiness that it is.

max said:
The reason the rest of the thing isn't under a warranty is because it's fucking invincible. I've done more to my VoS than I could possibly hope to ever do to an MFLB or an ioLite.
My experience was that it was much easier to damage than the LB or iolite. The one I used easily got some of the plastic melted while trying to figure out the proper vaping position. It wasn't exactly clear how to use it right away, and others shared my confusion. The directions I had were less than great.
The instructions for lighting are pretty simple... push up to 45 degrees, put your mouth on the mouthpiece, inhale while pushing up. Done.

Also... what? Are you serious? I've taken a blowtorch to the back of both my VoS's, run over both of them with more heavy machinery than I care to list, dropped it from 3 stories, thrown it across a parking lot, slammed it in a door, and hammered it with an 8-lbs sledge hammer for 5 minutes, and both of them still work and look like new, save a few scuff marks from some rather small pebbles, and some slight surface melting from the blowtorch. There is no way in hell you could do anything of the sort with an MFLB or an ioLite. Period. The chassis was designed with the sole purpose of being completely indestructable. You would be hard-pressed to burn a hole through it, basically is what I'm trying to say, haha.

max said:
Like I said, some will like it. Some will like other models. You have to weigh the pluses and minuses and see how it fits your likes and needs. It's not for me, and I've said my piece on it.
Couldn't agree more. I'm sad that you don't like the VoS, but I certainly won't force you to like it. I find that most people who like the VoS tend to be active, and love it for its durability and ability to be used in any weather.

max said:
babalao15 said:
The lb is probably going to be my next investment on one of these tools.
If you're like most, you'll like it. I think it's the best stealth portable for most situations.

He's thrown in his pennies and I've thrown in mine, it's your choice to make, but you should hear me out before selling your VoS. I would like to know how your first lighter broke (what did it start doing that made you know it was broken?), and whether or not you had taken your VoS apart prior to its breaking? I mentioned before that I broke my first lighter by inserting the pawl incorrectly, and I fear that this may be exactly what's been happening to you. If the lighters ceased to ignite once you pushed past 45 degrees with the mouthpiece (and they sometimes light after you've hit 90 degrees), then this confirms my suspicions.

I was told by my source that someone spoke to you on the phone last night for some time, but I don't have contact with that specific person, so I dunno. I would still like to help you resolve the problems you've been having with your VoS and send you some new, working lighters that I have personally tested and can confirm are of the same quality as mine. If you would be willing to, I would really appreciate it if you could send me your broken lighters so I can see for myself what's going wrong. Unfortunately I can barely afford to ship the lighters to you (please don't deny the lighters based on this. I am MORE than willing to send them to you), so that would have to be on your own dime. :/

If nothing else, please let me know exactly what you did with the lighters that broke from the time you received it to the time it broke. Research like this helps companies make better products, so even if you're set on getting rid of your VoS, I would appreciate it a lot if you could help make future renditions of the VoS better.

Despite what people say, I still don't work for VoS. It does brighten my day to hear that I'm the "face" though, hahaha. Yes, I am friends with several people that work for them, and there's no doubt that that influences my opinion on the device somewhat, but any one of them can tell you that I've offered unbiased, unadulterated feedback on the VoS since I first laid eyes on it. Because that's what they wanted. I'm the kind of friend that if you asked me for an honest opinion on your song, art, book, bike, gloves, fingers, toenails, etc., I would give it to you straight. Constructive criticism is far more helpful than simple praise, ya dig?

Let me know either here or via email where you'd like to go from here. I'll be sending you an email right after I post this with my phone number. I would like to personally talk to you about the lighters, but if you'd prefer to post here for the benefit of everyone, that'd be fine, too.

EDIT: Minor edit for spelling error.
EDIT 2: Major edit to remove offensive words. My apologies.
 
HindenPeter,

babalao15

Member
I have taken apart the vos about once a week or so and clean with 91 iso and a q-tip. I know the pawl is sort of a pain, so I usually, put it in after the lighter is lined up in its "cradle" . The first lighter, I noticed it wasn't getting as hot as usual so after looking at it closely I noticed the filament in the flame orifice was broken. The next day the piezo stopped clicking and or sparking. I also noticed that the plastic body on the lighter had hairline cracks everywhere, I do not know why only the first one did this particular thing.. The second lighter lasted even less time, same problem, first the filament, then the piezo. At this point I realize something is up with the lighters, so I start being extra careful not to bump it into anything and the like. Third lighter died the same way, at different times in the cleaning cycle, everything is fine and suddenly, first I noticed the filament and usually in one or two days the piezo. When I went to replace the third lighter, it literally fell apart in my hand, the little cross-pin that holds the whole thing together had wormed it's way out of the hole. I put it back together somehow, I think it's missing some very small pieces that fell in the floor's 4th dimension.
Listen guys, I'm damn near fifty, I don't go around abusing my things that cost me hard earned money. I could not have been more careful with this thing in spite of it's reputation for durability. I use the piece every day but not heavily, maybe 2 or 3 bowls, I carry it in my pocket all day. I sent hindenpeter my address, the rest can be handled here, so everyone knows what can be expected from vos. If you want the old lighters, I'm cool with that. You pay to ship mine, and I'll pay to ship yours, we are talking about $3 bucks here. I think I've been more than patient with vos and as of this writing they are still ignoring me.That's OK too, they'll never see another penny from me .
 
babalao15,

treecityrnd

Active Member
HindenPeter said:
I've used my VoS on an airplane... I was driving with some friends to Pullman, WA from Seattle, WA, and we were passing through Ellensburg, a notorious speed trap, when we saw the blue and red lights. Right after we had just taken a few hits. So we pulled over, rolled down the windows, and the cop asks to search the car, which the (retarded) owner agreed to because the cop could "smell the weed" even though smell is no longer probable cause... anyway, cop searches the car which contained 4 VoS's (yes, 4), the cop picked up my personal VoS, sniffed it (it was full of tasty herbs), and put it right back where he found it.

I usually don't chime in on this thread, but this is hilarious. Boasting about smoking on an airline in Federal airspace? And I bet the cops love it when someone brags about getting away...and then lists the exact route where it happened. Time and dates?

Maybe I'm just upset by the general lack of compassion and ugly rhetoric within the text. The label "retarded" is offensive and degrading. That word is only used with intention to demean or hurt someone and has no place in civilized conversation.
 
treecityrnd,

max

Out to lunch
HindenPeter said:
The instructions for lighting are pretty simple... push up to 45 degrees, put your mouth on the mouthpiece, inhale while pushing up. Done.
Back when I got one for evaluation, the instructions sucked, and it was a production unit, not a beta. I had someone else test it out as well, and they were, instructions in hand, as confused as I was. A dealer friend agreed their instructions needed work, and had been telling VOS exactly that. So perhaps they've done a better job with them since then.

Also... what? Are you serious? I've taken a blowtorch to the back of both my VoS's
Yes I'm serious. Did my statement read like a joke? I deformed the housing near the bowl with the built in lighter while trying to find the correct position for vaping. As for your durability tests, it's nice that it's so sturdy, but in real world handling, the LB and iolite aren't fragile. Both can take a normal fall and stay intact. Being able to survive a fall off a roof is nice, but it wouldn't be high on my list of reasons to buy a vape.

.... cop searches the car which contained 4 VoS's (yes, 4), the cop picked up my personal VoS, sniffed it (it was full of tasty herbs), and put it right back where he found it. If that's not stealth, I couldn't tell you what is.
Stealth, with vaping, is also the ability to use the vape in public without drawing attention. With the LB, you're holding it to your mouth like the VOS, but you don't have to click a lighter (sometimes takes a lot of clicking). That click can be louder than the hissing from an iolite. And the iolite, when the hissing noise isn't an issue, can be used in a drink cup or a shirt pocket, with only tubing sticking up. Looks like you're sipping from a straw. Now if they came up with a silent lighter for the VOS, that would certainly move it up the stealth list for me.

Despite what people say, I still don't work for VoS.
They couldn't ask for a better advocate if they were paying for it. Every one of your posts is in the VOS thread, except one, and that one's about the VOS too. You're very singleminded here. So though you're not here as a VOS employee, your posting content will have others perceiving you as such.
 
max,

Dberm

Active Member
I've got to say I'm surprised to hear people say that operating this device is difficult. Me and my friends read the instructions and were able to get it ripping fiercely (not combusting) on the second load. I just put two extra screens in there and draw hard with the flame up high. Never once combusted with it setup like this.
 
Dberm,

max

Out to lunch
The instructions are hopefully better than the ones I saw. And you said yourself that you think you avoided combustion by adding two screens. I wouldn't say the operation is necessarily difficult. IMO it's just not intuitive without good instructions.
 
max,
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