The Mighty/Mighty+ by Storz & Bickel
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Xclerk
The Universe is our endless supply
I'm going to tend to agree maybe some temp step programs in the app like they hybrid but I dont expect much else. I know the hybrid is good but really not much of a diff otger than the app to add some extea controls. From led alone that is 100 percent the crafty. Im assming mor batt loke like the mighty upgrade and a better bluetooth app. I mean dont get me wrong you cant really change much but it be nice to see an airpath thats not plastic. And a better rma system. Its not cool a unit that could have sat in a store for a year or 2 and because I didnt keep my receipt just by age alone they said I was out if warranty even tho I had the charge in my cc statement. Oh well I live and learn. Id prob give new products a shot but never buy direct from s and b and use a vendor like PIU Seakypete or Cream city.
I think if any improvements can be made is different materials in vapor path, less plastic more glass, metal, quartz, ceramic zirconia. I really think they should make modular bowl sizes. Small ones optimized for micro dosing, and a larger size bowl for friends. Keep the ratio of conduction and convection the same I think it's perfect, you can sip it or you can RIP it.
wombat24
zealot - church of the blessed dynayap
I'm in the camp that we may be looking at a Crafty replacement, its had its issues in the past
especially with the batteries. If they do go down this path I am confident they will incorporate replaceable batteries - the trade off would be that it may not be as powerful as the current Crafty/Mighty.
especially with the batteries. If they do go down this path I am confident they will incorporate replaceable batteries - the trade off would be that it may not be as powerful as the current Crafty/Mighty.
shredder
Well-Known Member
I guess we won't know until we know. I'm curious to see if the new management will affect the new product.
I just hope they don't just add led lights, and up the price.
MGG
Well-Known Member
My suspicion is this latest update will be for the Crafty, similar to what the Volcano Hybrid saw.
Possibly improved battery, heat up time, and some new features, but similar design.
I'd be surprised if it was a whole new portable and not an update of their current lineup.
*fingers crossed for removable battery*
Possibly improved battery, heat up time, and some new features, but similar design.
I'd be surprised if it was a whole new portable and not an update of their current lineup.
*fingers crossed for removable battery*
vapviking
Old & In the Way
I would hope for an all-new design that takes the best elements of both the Crafty and Mighty and combines into a newly envisioned portable. Maybe midway between the two in size, with app or switchable controls, all new body materials, etc, no aluminum bowl and of course, replaceable batteries. Maybe two, but next size down from 18650's?
And the latest tech in quick charge capability, plus easy water use options. Have I covered it? Or am I just describing some of the competition?
And the latest tech in quick charge capability, plus easy water use options. Have I covered it? Or am I just describing some of the competition?
I always said with these full convection vapes they should put a tiny little mini fan inside below heater to push air up through herb while inhaling just like the desk top machines volcano and q has, that would help with draw speed and give quicker easier draws, plus I think it would have the same affect like blowing air into embers to light a campfire, it would get more things going alot faster.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
I have two that I use daily that gave me three years of service before any noticeable degradation in performance. And both still work pretty well anyway!
IMO it already essentially does this from the added conduction, you can literally see vapor coming out of the mouthpiece.
vapviking
Old & In the Way
You're suggesting that Mighty is a full convection vape and it is not, it is described as a hybrid.
Imo the fan is your lungs and diaphram. I do understand your suggestions about draw, but most of the mild restriction in Mighty is from the cooling unit. Bypassing the c/u, with wpa for example, frees things up a lot.
More air volume, from a fan, would require bigger heat units and different electronics in order to be able to create vapor fast enough. Otherwise the effect would be diluted vapor (too high an air-to-vape ratio).
The fan would be additional drain on battery.
I have a Splinter V1, a textbook convection vape (I believe, btw, that @OF would say all convection vapes are mis-characterized...but that's a different discussion). Anyway, my point is that by it's design, this Splinter has almost zero draw restriction when used in its' standard configuration.
For a user who has respiratory troubles, maybe a bag-type vape like Volcano is more appropriate.
OF
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure I'd say that, for sure there are real convection vapes (like VG and TV) where the heater is remote from the load and superheated air does the good work. I believe Volcano belongs in this group, but have never met one. Nor Mighty for that matter.
What I will say is 'there's no such thing as a hybrid conduction/convection vape'. If air is heated part way to 390F before entering it's just heated part way (robs less heat from the load that would otherwise make more vapor). To make vapor, heated air must be substantially hotter than 'magic temperature' before entering, meaning you need a heater hotter than that somewhere else?
There has been at least one vape with a fan (I have one somewhere.....) but that has to be a demand scheme so it doesn't blow vapor all over between hits. Like a Volcano with no bag?
Regards to all.
OF
Baron23
Well-Known Member
I often wonder at the complaints about the materials S&B used to build the Mighty....plastic and aluminum, specifically.
So, what is it that people want. Don't like the plastic enclosure, so make it out of AL and people will complain and start citing info from AL cooking pans? Make it out of SS, and everybody will bitch that their portable now weights 5 lbs.
I just find its really easy to say "oh, use better and safer materials" without fully thinking through the implications.
So, for those who don't like plastic (which is such a broad term for a HUGELY wide range of materials with their equally HUGE range of characteristics) and don't like AL, what EXACTLY would you want and where?
I like the plastic enclosure. Don't hear people bitching about it getting hot during use...like say...the IQ?
I like the plastic enclosure because its easy to mold it with the cooling fins and other mechanical features while trying to do similar with milled AL or SS would be very expensive. I often hear people want "metal" over "plastic". But clearly not all metal. I mean, you don't want a pot metal, right?
I like the plastic enclosure as it seems that the material they used is pretty impervious to solvents the like and it doesn't weigh a ton.
For those who don't like the AL in the oven...what would you want in there?
For my part, I would like to see increased max temp, owner replaceable batteries, a flat bottom so people aren't having to buy 3rd party stands, and that's kind of it.
I rather adore my Mighty...can you tell! hahaha
So, what is it that people want. Don't like the plastic enclosure, so make it out of AL and people will complain and start citing info from AL cooking pans? Make it out of SS, and everybody will bitch that their portable now weights 5 lbs.
I just find its really easy to say "oh, use better and safer materials" without fully thinking through the implications.
So, for those who don't like plastic (which is such a broad term for a HUGELY wide range of materials with their equally HUGE range of characteristics) and don't like AL, what EXACTLY would you want and where?
I like the plastic enclosure. Don't hear people bitching about it getting hot during use...like say...the IQ?
I like the plastic enclosure because its easy to mold it with the cooling fins and other mechanical features while trying to do similar with milled AL or SS would be very expensive. I often hear people want "metal" over "plastic". But clearly not all metal. I mean, you don't want a pot metal, right?
I like the plastic enclosure as it seems that the material they used is pretty impervious to solvents the like and it doesn't weigh a ton.
For those who don't like the AL in the oven...what would you want in there?
For my part, I would like to see increased max temp, owner replaceable batteries, a flat bottom so people aren't having to buy 3rd party stands, and that's kind of it.
I rather adore my Mighty...can you tell! hahaha
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
I have yet to find a better vape. Admittedly my experience over the past decade doesn’t encompass the variety of devices many folks here have tried. But nothing hits harder or more consistently IME.
I recently bought a Plenty. I like it, plenty (ha ha) but I still get better, thicker, more consistent vapor from the Mighty, no matter how I use it (native or with capsules).
A plastic-y portable that works better than every other portable or desktop I’ve tried. That is seriously impressive IMO. No wonder I have three of them.
OF
Well-Known Member
Excellent and well thought out points, IMO. There are several 'plastics' (including Silicone rubbers) that are perfectly suitable to the duty. As is Aluminum at the temperatures we're using?
Part of it is, I think, a 'my dog is better than your dog' kind of thing. Folks look for reasons to say their vape is superior for these sorts of reasons.
One thing sure most Engineers are too smart to pick dangerous materials, and should some hapless maker actually use a material demonstrably hazardous, we can count on the Suits (sales types) iat his competitors to waste no time in keeping the secret. All we see is general 'we don't use XXX' claims, never proof other vapes are specifically dangerous?
Personally I'm not sure higher temperature is a good plan, we're really close to combustion now? And while I agree more replaceable batteries would be nice, I'd put in a bid for higher capacity per recharge, which often goes against that goal. And, FWIW I'd like to see more wood used........
Regards to all.
OF
I wish the new S&B was something new and superior for concentrates.
For dry herb they have covered everything somehow (but vaping in a pool/bath
).
I happily bought me a second old version Mighty, as even the old versions are great.
From the basic function, I cannot see it get better. Maybe different charging port, faster heat up, longer battery life, different colors, etc. . But all minor changes, that cost more than they help. I somehow wish they would keep the Mighty that simple and straightforward, if they ever update it.
For dry herb they have covered everything somehow (but vaping in a pool/bath
).I happily bought me a second old version Mighty, as even the old versions are great.
From the basic function, I cannot see it get better. Maybe different charging port, faster heat up, longer battery life, different colors, etc. . But all minor changes, that cost more than they help. I somehow wish they would keep the Mighty that simple and straightforward, if they ever update it.
darbarikanada
Well-Known Member
you may not have tried 100+ different vapes, but vape critic (bud) and 420 vape zone (troy) have, and the mighty consistently ranks in their top 3. when those guys say they've found something better, that'll get my attention.
mitchgo61
I go where the thrills are
Exactly. I don’t need to reinvent the wheel....those guys do the “work” so we don’t have to. (Don’t forget @BuzzDanklin, who also puts the Mighty at the top....Buzz is the one guy I always trust implicitly to tell me the hard truths about vapes.)
Grepper
Truth to prevail
It sort of seems like you already answered most of your questions... Medical grade SS for the oven and an airpath that is not plastic. Glass, SS etc. There are other options already available that can be isolated within a plastic exterior. I really don't think its that complicated or would be difficult to implement. Other companies have done it. I am probably more concerned about materials than most tho.
I didn't mean to say the mighty is full convection I know its not, I also own the plenty and its also a hybrid. but I do still think with an all convection vape a tiny fan would help push vapor through the unit much faster, it will be like a shotgun with a joint and that's what everyone wants right? quick extraction like if you are smoking a jay. it can also help those who have smaller lungs or asthma to get a good pull easier. I love my mighty, I can sip or rip its the easiest vape to use. my wife likes the mighty also for its simplicity, but she has tiny lungs and has a hard to time with full convection vapes, with the mighty she can toke it like a joint. full convection devices that require long extended draws to heat saturate the bowl are no fun for her. to save battery you could have it where the fan only turns on when you press the button, like the splinter and mv1 do its full on demand. bigger batteries and bigger motor would be a big plus too, and a flat wide bowl, like the plenty has but smaller, so all the heat blasts that thin layer of herb all at one shot versus the current basket style where the hot air has to tunnel its way through the herb, causing hot spots and uncooked herb.
Baron23
Well-Known Member
So you do realize that the AL in the oven is connected...I believe its one part...with the air tube which is heated by the heating element. I believe that this is correct (but I am indeed often wrong haha)
SS does NOT have the thermal transfer dynamics of AL and will def take more power and a good while longer to get up to temp.
Just saying, there are always trade offs.
Grepper
Truth to prevail
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say. Yes, I am aware of the airpath design and the aluminum in the airpath... I also understand SS has different thermal properties. And that there are trade offs. My point is that I'm not willing to potentially trade my health for ANY reason. Especially when other materials, like glass, titanium, SS etc exist. It's just a matter of personal preference.
Rubber armored metal like a Tera along with the S/S isolated airpath heater and bowl (that takes less than half the time of a Mighty to get to temp).
So basically a Tera with more conduction (nice easy swap batteries are not hard to implement)