Firewood Vaporizer

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Soda

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oddjobold said:
To be honest this vape was not for me. I recieved a good offer for it and have sold it on.

I said this before with the FW5, i dont think wood is the best material for this vape. Its feels kinda fargile. I think one drop on to a hard surface and its gonna be broke in some way. I would rather sell it before that happens (which is quite likley with me) and get most my money back.
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In my experience (had all the FW from the 3.0 on) the only FW device that was really prone to dropping was the 5, I put that exposed piece of tray on the inside of my pinky by accident after a full sesh on 4 1/4 and it was curtains for the 5 because it met the concrete :cry: Killed the heater and stem and who knows what else. Since the 6 completely hides all the hot parts it should be less of a worry but still an understandable concern IMO. Gotta be careful with these artisan vapes.
 
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caseball2051

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I have effectively temp stepped on my fw6 without an issue. Got satisfying and visible vapor at 360-370, 390-400 and at 440-450.

I don't see this unit being any more work than any of my others vapes that I use regularly. I imagine the experience will only get better as I own it longer and my technique improves and I learn all the ins and outs of the device.

This will definitely be my on the go option when I am not carrying my terp pen and concentrates and want to carry dry herb instead.

I probably won't share this unit with anyone but the wife though. The details put into the device still blow me away every time I use it. Even the cover of the dugout is shaped a certain way at the end with a point to make scraping easier. It's beautifully made.
 
rvarick

rvarick

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caseball2051 said:
I have effectively temp stepped on my fw6 without an issue. Got satisfying and visible vapor at 360-370, 390-400 and at 440-450.

I don't see this unit being any more work than any of my others vapes that I use regularly. I imagine the experience will only get better as I own it longer and my technique improves and I learn all the ins and outs of the device.

This will definitely be my on the go option when I am not carrying my terp pen and concentrates and want to carry dry herb instead.

I probably won't share this unit with anyone but the wife though. The details put into the device still blow me away every time I use it. Even the cover of the dugout is shaped a certain way at the end with a point to make scraping easier. It's beautifully made.
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Could anyone please walk me through what kind of grind, pack, and draw speed or technique allows for the lower two temp levels to produce consistent vapor? My 6 continues to be frustrating to get to work consistently. The only success I’ve had is packing the bowl down tight, and using the top temp, but I’m really not enjoying the milkshake-like draw with this. I’m also having trouble getting full extraction. Everything ends up really light brown if not green still. In particular I have a lot of issues getting the unit to start up. The first draw, especially on a lower temp buzzes me or shuts off often. It usually takes me 1-2 failed or vaporless draws before the draw sensor starts cooperating. It also seems to really tear through the batteries. My 5 reliably kicks out vapor at all settings, on the first draw, with a pretty open and comfortable airflow. The 6 seems really particular or has a much bigger learning-curve with it.
 
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Sativapo

Sativapo

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rvarick said:
Could anyone please walk me through what kind of grind, pack, and draw speed or technique allows for the lower two temp levels to produce consistent vapor? My 6 continues to be frustrating to get to work consistently. The only success I’ve had is packing the bowl down tight, and using the top temp, but I’m really not enjoying the milkshake-like draw with this. I’m also having trouble getting full extraction. Everything ends up really light brown if not green still. In particular I have a lot of issues getting the unit to start up. The first draw, especially on a lower temp buzzes me or shuts off often. It usually takes me 1-2 failed or vaporless draws before the draw sensor starts cooperating. It also seems to really tear through the batteries. My 5 reliably kicks out vapor at all settings, on the first draw, with a pretty open and comfortable airflow. The 6 seems really particular or has a much bigger learning-curve with it.
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Maybe you have the airflow sensor problem already spotted by Marc ? ( fixed through the firmware as said below)
 
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hippogriff

hippogriff

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rvarick said:
Could anyone please walk me through what kind of grind, pack, and draw speed or technique allows for the lower two temp levels to produce consistent vapor? My 6 continues to be frustrating to get to work consistently. The only success I’ve had is packing the bowl down tight, and using the top temp, but I’m really not enjoying the milkshake-like draw with this. I’m also having trouble getting full extraction. Everything ends up really light brown if not green still. In particular I have a lot of issues getting the unit to start up. The first draw, especially on a lower temp buzzes me or shuts off often. It usually takes me 1-2 failed or vaporless draws before the draw sensor starts cooperating. It also seems to really tear through the batteries. My 5 reliably kicks out vapor at all settings, on the first draw, with a pretty open and comfortable airflow. The 6 seems really particular or has a much bigger learning-curve with it.
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Are you already talking to Marc about this? Sounds like the firmware issue he mentioned earlier, something about the draw sensor...

I’d say FW4 and before required technique - 5-sec preheat, a couple cigar puffs to draw heat through the load, slow meditative draw to extract. But FW5 does everything faster, so that technique didn’t really matter - most people I know still combust, I could still hand them my FW5 on stock temp 2 (3clicks) and they’d do fine.

FW6 has something of a more powerful heater, it’s hard to imagine that it’s supposed to be harder to use than a 5.
 
rvarick

rvarick

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Daprezz said:
Maybe you have the airflow sensor problem already spotted by Marc ? ( fixed through the firmware as said below)
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Thanks! I actually just got mine back with the updated firmware. I am having better luck today with the following adjustments if helpful to anyone:
  • A full/fuller bowl works much better, and only requires a light pack (which I prefer). With a fuller pack the draw sensor seems much more forgiving. Probably even more forgiving than the FW5 once the heat is moving. This should make it an easier one to share with folks, once you get the heater primed up for them if needed.
  • In contrast, less than half full requires a much tighter pack and draw to work (less preferable), and also makes my draw sensor overreactive or unpredictable unless everything is packed tight. I suppose the FW5 is the micro dose king here.
  • It seems like a medium grind works much better than fine. I think my material was too finely ground before. Which once it got cooked, was really too fine. I switched from using my micro SCS to the medium and got a fluffier grind.
  • For the first draw I’m using more cigar puffs. I also really extended the length on my draw. Watching how long Troy was drawing on his FW6 video was really helpful.
I’m still playing around with it but I’m hopefully getting the hang of it and figuring out where it fits in. I think my FW5 will hang on as the micro-doser and the 6 will be a great on the go option or quick macro-doser.
 
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Sativapo

Sativapo

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Hmm, if it's realky like you describe I'm not sure I'd like too much being mainly a microdoser. My turn should be coming soon on the list for the 6.
On the other hand @paytonpenn was saying he could extract black abv with 1/4 of a chamber full. Did you try this, well packed on max max temp ? Idk what to think, any other user feedback?
 
rvarick

rvarick

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Daprezz said:
Hmm, if it's realky like you describe I'm not sure I'd like too much being mainly a microdoser. My turn should be coming soon on the list for the 6.
On the other hand @paytonpenn was saying he could extract black abv with 1/4 of a chamber full. Idk what to think, any other user feedback?
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I should rephrase and say it certainly can microdose, but would require a tighter pack and draw resistance than what I generally prefer in my case.

I’ll also mention this is the only other on-demand convection device I’ve used besides my FW5, so it’s quite possible my issues are coming from inexperience with draw technique. My other ones have been really straightforward and forgiving, so I’ve never really had to learn much technique.
 
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caseball2051

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I read about another user on Reddit having issues with his or her button. Not sure if it's a widespread issue or not.

I pack the bowl full or almost full with a slight tamp down.

I squeeze the unit to engage the button.

I wait 4sec for the heater to warm up and then start with 2 cigar style puffs to get some heat into the bowl. I don't consider this extra work but just a good practice for convection Vapes

Then instead of taking a third cigar puff I just start my draw.

I go for a slower draw than my fury 2 i guess? I just draw with what feels natural as if I was only using my lungs to do the inhale.

I have some dry material right now and it is grinding pretty finely. Id imagine a medium grind would work fine as well though.

I haven't really experimented with any smaller loads than full or 3/4 full so I can't speak on that.
 
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KeroZen

KeroZen

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I use a lot of convection vapes, nearly exclusively these days in fact, and the Firewood thread sounds to me like the only one where people talk about this cigar primer puffing technique, and I must admit that it's the thing that always worried me (and prevented me from buying the previous iterations after the 2.1 that I got)

Previously it was cigar puffs to make the draw sensor register the hit, now it's cigar puffs to pre-heat the bowl? I guess it's the downside of not just having a simple trigger button? Or well, now there is a trigger button again, but it does nothing unless you draw air and trigger the pressure sensor right?

In my other on-demand vapes, either I pre-heat for longer for the first hit, or I draw a tad longer, or I live with it and it's weaker than the following ones, but I don't have to perform empty draws. I don't know why but I imagine that it sucks to have to do that.
 
rvarick

rvarick

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pxl_jockey said:
:nod:^ I gotta say I've been given second thoughts by many of the posts post-release. Although I love the looks and concept, in operation I'm not sure if this vape is for me... I don't want to be frustrated. :shrug: idk
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I tend to struggle at first on vapes with a learning curve. I’m also prone to overthinking or overcorrecting I’ll admit, so don’t let my experience here be a guide per se. ;)
 
hippogriff

hippogriff

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KeroZen said:
I use a lot of convection vapes, nearly exclusively these days in fact, and the Firewood thread sounds to me like the only one where people talk about this cigar primer puffing technique, and I must admit that it's the thing that always worried me (and prevented me from buying the previous iterations after the 2.1 that I got)

Previously it was cigar puffs to make the draw sensor register the hit, now it's cigar puffs to pre-heat the bowl? I guess it's the downside of not just having a simple trigger button? Or well, now there is a trigger button again, but it does nothing unless you draw air and trigger the pressure sensor right?

In my other on-demand vapes, either I pre-heat for longer for the first hit, or I draw a tad longer, or I live with it and it's weaker than the following ones, but I don't have to perform empty draws. I don't know why but I imagine that it sucks to have to do that.
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The primer puff is an old technique that ended when the FW5 came out, really. W the FW4, the primer puff started a pre-programmed heat cycle that got temps rolling.

The sample size on FW6 is pretty small, so it’s hard to say what’s happening - a couple folks are having problems that could be early-adopter troubleshooting, Marc did identify and fix a problem w early units. Could also be convection experience - the two video reviews we’ve had so far were right where my expectations are for the FW6.
 
Monk Debate

Monk Debate

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KeroZen said:
I use a lot of convection vapes, nearly exclusively these days in fact, and the Firewood thread sounds to me like the only one where people talk about this cigar primer puffing technique, and I must admit that it's the thing that always worried me (and prevented me from buying the previous iterations after the 2.1 that I got)

Previously it was cigar puffs to make the draw sensor register the hit, now it's cigar puffs to pre-heat the bowl? I guess it's the downside of not just having a simple trigger button? Or well, now there is a trigger button again, but it does nothing unless you draw air and trigger the pressure sensor right?

In my other on-demand vapes, either I pre-heat for longer for the first hit, or I draw a tad longer, or I live with it and it's weaker than the following ones, but I don't have to perform empty draws. I don't know why but I imagine that it sucks to have to do that.
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I’ve seen people talk about using the cigar puff technique to heat soak the bowls of other convection vapes like the Splinter. It’s not wholly necessary but it does help generate vapor, especially on the first draw.
 
oddjobold

oddjobold

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KeroZen said:
I use a lot of convection vapes, nearly exclusively these days in fact, and the Firewood thread sounds to me like the only one where people talk about this cigar primer puffing technique, and I must admit that it's the thing that always worried me (and prevented me from buying the previous iterations after the 2.1 that I got)

Previously it was cigar puffs to make the draw sensor register the hit, now it's cigar puffs to pre-heat the bowl? I guess it's the downside of not just having a simple trigger button? Or well, now there is a trigger button again, but it does nothing unless you draw air and trigger the pressure sensor right?

In my other on-demand vapes, either I pre-heat for longer for the first hit, or I draw a tad longer, or I live with it and it's weaker than the following ones, but I don't have to perform empty draws. I don't know why but I imagine that it sucks to have to do that.
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The cigar puff technique is nothing to do with the draw sensor. Its purley to try and get the bowl to temperature. I tried preheating. This works well on other vapes, but the FW6 still needs the cigar puff.

Heater is button activated on FW5 & 6 (the only ones i have owned). The draw sensor is only to register a too strong draw, that is "overpowering the heater". You will get a buzz if this happens. This happens less on the 6 than the 5.

I can only put the need for cigar puff down to the heater not being powerfull enough. 30w is not alot and at the lower end that i would use for most of my 510 vapes.

For me it sucked (literally).
 
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NOLOGO

NOLOGO

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oddjobold said:
The draw sensor is only to register a too strong draw
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from what I understand, in addition to letting you know when you're drawing too hard, the draw sensor is also a safety mechanism which prevents heating by cutting off the heater when accidentally depressing the button while NOT drawing.

btw I'm still waiting on an invoice. Hopefully it will arrive soon. (I was supposedly in the batch for last week) Has anyone else received one this week yet? (maybe Marc partied too hard for indigenous peoples' day? :lol::rockon:)

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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Fwiw. I've had two units. My first unit which was the one recorded worked great but I pressed too hard on the heater.

My current unit seems to be underpowered compared to the 4 and 5 and my first 6. I know the temp spectrum is broader but more precise, previous gens really had the Low med high preset in design.
 
oddjobold

oddjobold

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paytonpenn said:
Fwiw. I've had two units. My first unit which was the one recorded worked great but I pressed too hard on the heater.

My current unit seems to be underpowered compared to the 4 and 5 and my first 6. I know the temp spectrum is broader but more precise, previous gens really had the Low med high preset in design.
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Is this another drawback of wood? Wood expands and contracts, and tolerances change.

I dont want to sound over critical, this form factor has loads of potential. Make this out of metal, add a RBT heater and this vape would be prerty much a perfect package.
 
Easywider

Easywider

Simple is the way
I was really hoping for some more power in this unit. Someone was saying the technology isn’t their for these batterie. That’s just wrong. Look at the Elite, the Milaana, the mvt, and anyone running a 510 device on a single battery mod. These devices all pump out clouds effortlessly at a very wide temp range.

the design for the FW6 is absolute amazing for an on the go option but these reports are bursting my bubble in a big way. I was really looking forward to this iteration.
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
oddjobold said:
Is this another drawback of wood? Wood expands and contracts, and tolerances change.

I dont want to sound over critical, this form factor has loads of potential. Make this out of metal, add a RBT heater and this vape would be prerty much a perfect package.
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I don't see wood as the issue. Seems like a firmware issue when he tried to redo the entire temp system to make it individual temps versus the previous set scale.

Just overall temp for temp it seems like this unit is not stronger than the previous firewoods while my previous 6 was. Clearly that wasn't marcs intention.
 
Fat Freddy

Fat Freddy

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paytonpenn said:
I know the temp spectrum is broader but more precise, previous gens really had the Low med high preset in design.
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Intriguing statement, to the degree I think I can parse it. Can you clarify what you mean by the "temp spectrum is broader but more precise"?

And your statement, "previous gens really had the Low med high preset in design." Are you implying that the FW6 has no pre-set design for temps but rather firmware installed that's intended to control the temp setting, but unfortunately does not consistently execute that control?

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chicago_animal

chicago_animal

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Shit, I don't know what to do now .All these comments are making me think I should go with the Milaana 3 Pre-order. But even that could also have issues like these.

I've never had an On Demand vape and was looking at the FW6 as my first.
 
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Jill NYC

Jill NYC

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chicago_animal said:
Shit, I don't know what to do now .All these comments are making me think I should go with the Milaana 3 Pre-order. But even that could also have issues like these.

I've never had an On Demand vape and was looking at the FW6 as my first.
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If you are on any pre-order list or one of the first to get an artisan vape - you should definitely keep expectations in check - bumps happen, this is not uncommon.
You may want to consider a vape that has been around for awhile instead. (Not trying to be rude - hope it doesn’t come across that way, just want to be realistic).
 
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paytonpenn

Level 30 Nature/Healer
Previous firewoods had a Low Med High with the 3 settings. Like with overdrive it just scaled accordingly based on the setting so it was rare that you could make setting 4 - High lower than setting 2 - Low. The new Firewood has the intention of you making any setting 2, 3, 4 any temperature. So you can have 2 clicks be 440-450, 3 clicks as 360-370, and 4 clicks as 410-420.

Sorry if it still doesn't make sense. I believe their may have been different calibrations when i received my unit back.
 
chicago_animal

chicago_animal

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Jill NYC said:
If you are on any pre-order list or one of the first to get an artisan vape - you should definitely keep expectations in check - bumps happen, this is not uncommon.
You may want to consider a vape that has been around for awhile instead. (Not trying to be rude - hope it doesn’t come across that way, just want to be realistic).
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No, I get what you are saying. I'm totally new to these so I have no idea what to expect in terms of all these comments. Was it the same with the FW5 as well?
 
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