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Discontinued The Timber Elite by Vapwood

elykpeace

exVASted
I think it shows how well it competes with the GH. Heat up time is about the same but the timber elite IS RELIABLE! 3 weeks with a hopper is nothing. I give it 6-8 months of hard use before the gh is dead again. Hoping not but besides reliability you still can't buy batteries for the GH ?

Timber elite is awesome through water or native I've been going as low as 330 and getting clouds that make me salivate they are so tasty..

Good morning everyone

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Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
I got greedy...

Certain specs are locked in, battery compartment size at 75 mm's, pretty much determines Timber's height. Since getting it down to 5 and 5/8, I've been taking the space between the compartment and the edge down to about 3/8 (+ - .25 mm). This time I went for 5/16 and blew past what I'm comfortable with. During the sanding, pairing process, I realized the potential future liability, and decided I need to scrap about 10 base units. Tops are all good. All in all, I probably lost about 9 or 10 hours of actual work.

  1. Size 10 units: 1 hour
  2. Cut 20 mortises: 2 hours
  3. Hand finish 20 mortises: 2 hrs
  4. Drill out top for coil: 1 hour
  5. Route groove for back plate: 30 minutes
  6. Pairing base to top: 2 hours
  7. Finish Sand round 1: 90 minutes

Oh well, sometimes you learn the hard way. Every Timber will stick at 5 5/8 height, with approx. 3/8" of wood left at each end of the base unit.
 
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nonbeliever

Well-Known Member
I think it shows how well it competes with the GH. Heat up time is about the same but the timber elite IS RELIABLE! 3 weeks with a hopper is nothing. I give it 6-8 months of hard use before the gh is dead again. Hoping not but besides reliability you still can't buy batteries for the GH ?

Timber elite is awesome through water or native I've been going as low as 330 and getting clouds that make me salivate they are so tasty..

Good morning everyone

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I bought my original LB Classic specifically because of my frustration with how unreliable the Grasshopper was (I was an early bird supporter of GH - I have both an SS and Titanium and lost count of the number of RMAs and timeframes I was without both of them). In my experience, the entire Vapwood line performance is comparable to a working GH... though working is the operative word. I don’t use water or glass at all, and much prefer the warmth of the wood, the availability of industry standard batteries, and the simplicity of all of my LB’s and my Timber (I love my Timber!). The GH’s only real advantage is the form factor - it’s size and design makes it stealth.. looks like a pen. That however, is nowhere near enough value to me versus the comfort and reliability of using the Timber.
 

elykpeace

exVASted
I bought my original LB Classic specifically because of my frustration with how unreliable the Grasshopper was (I was an early bird supporter of GH - I have both an SS and Titanium and lost count of the number of RMAs and timeframes I was without both of them). In my experience, the entire Vapwood line performance is comparable to a working GH... though working is the operative word. I don’t use water or glass at all, and much prefer the warmth of the wood, the availability of industry standard batteries, and the simplicity of all of my LB’s and my Timber (I love my Timber!). The GH’s only real advantage is the form factor - it’s size and design makes it stealth.. looks like a pen. That however, is nowhere near enough value to me versus the comfort and reliability of using the Timber.
With Timber elite, it has been nice to see how hot or cool my hoppers ran. I wonder how accurate the temp control mode is. I had a ss hopper that at level 5 wouldnt get avb darker then the timber elite at 350°.. my hottest hopper would dang near scortch the bowl on heat level 3 and I have gotten similar results (with ease) with the timber elite at 430° and that must have been pushing the boundary of combustion because it was almost black! Im good with starting around 330° for 3 hits and snagging all the terps and then 370° for another 3 and finish a couple hits at 420° always well spent even roasted avb.

I must say I was on the fw6 wait-list and my number came up so I paid and it's on its way but I really don't need another vape. I may just admire and throw it on the exchange.


Vas
 
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Bravesst

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Manufacturer
Is it me, or is Sneaky Pete's video with Timber just on his website? I cannot find episode 36 of Vape Talk on IG.

Anyway, got myself back to pretty much back to square one with six units. I completed the first 3 tasks on the list above, which is pretty much the hard part - cutting and hand finishing a dozen mortises this time.

At some point this week, I'm also going to play around with roasting tubes once again. We'll see what happens.

This is the last night to get an October unit. As of tomorrow, we are working on November.
 
Bravesst,

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Well crap. While switching tubes tonight the slitted glass tube fell, hit the floor, and shattered. I’m heartbroken. I was really digging that tube. I’ll have to wait until @Alan is back in the shop and order a few more.
Join the club , at least it’s not the vape :haw:
I do hope you have a dedicated wooden tube for your Vapwood . If not, you can make one out of the tube with the missing glass .

fun and cool tubes that should maybe be sold or included with at least 3 tubes. your bound to break one in a matter of time .. with 3 , you’d be aloud 3 strikes before needing mo’

:bigleaf:
 

Monk Debate

The monks do be debatin’
Oh, no problems using an all wood stem here. I was getting massive clouds tonight. The thing is, the vapor was so smooth I didn’t realize how much of it I was taking in, so when I exhaled I was shocked at the volume of vapor.
 

nonbeliever

Well-Known Member
Well crap. While switching tubes tonight the slitted glass tube fell, hit the floor, and shattered. I’m heartbroken. I was really digging that tube. I’ll have to wait until @Alan is back in the shop and order a few more.

And that is why I had @Alan make me an 8mm draw, all wood roasting tube lol. Your glass tube lasted a lot longer than any of mine. I think I have one more, but that’s only because I never take it out of the Bubble wrap. A few have lasted less than a half hour.....
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Good morning all!
Just heard from @Alan and he is on the mend. Great news.

I've been using my stubby 19/19 tube with a 7 mm ID, no glass, at 20 to 22 watts (booster mode). The draw resistance is very nice. The taste is off the chart. I like having the 12 mm bowl stepped down to 7 (or 8 mm), makes screen placement very simple. The narrow ID suits my style of vaping: slow, easy draw, with a fair amount of suction. The bowl is set deep as well, so there is a built in added distance from load to coil, which I think is smoothing things out with this short tube, because I'm getting exceptionally smooth hits.

INITIAL OBSERVATION

A short, stubby, tube, with a narrow ID, pairs well with Timber at low wattage or temp, especially when the bowl is set back an additional couple of mm's.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Between PT and Chilly, I only got 3 hours shop time today. I am making a serious effort to mange this back / hip issue. Not sure if it's discs between L4 / L5, L5 / S1, or my SI joint, or even possibly the hip joint (don't thinks so). Either way, most of the therapy involves the same movements. I've also started taking some CBD tincture (from dispensary), which is 1 to 20 THC to CBD. Need to stay healthy and keep building, and the more I read about CBD the more I like it.

So, I'm really liking the short stem with 8 mm ID, and recessed 12 mm bowl. I am talking to @Alan about making a standard Timber tube with those dimensions. Once he and I are both able to make this tube, their should be no shortage. But before that happens, I will personally make a few on a very small scale to test. I think the way to go with the tube sales is include the mini tube with the Timber, and list Alan tubes as upgrades. At least that's what I'm thinking right now. This will all be worked out shortly.
 
Bravesst,

Bravesst

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Manufacturer
Good morning all,
Yes, there will be some tube testing. I need to get this batch complete first. Right now, I just loaded a my shorty, and set on Booster mode at 20 watts. Pretty incredible so far, but kinda what I expected. The short tube with narrow ID and recessed bowl, offset one another, resulting in smooth vapor. Of course extensive testing is necessary. :cool:

Sneaky Pete's review was quite positive, and it was nice to be reviewed next to the super popular GH and hold up well. I posted the video on my site for future reference. Thanks @Sneaky Pete .
 

Mr. Me2

Well-Known Member
Good morning all,
Yes, there will be some tube testing. I need to get this batch complete first. Right now, I just loaded a my shorty, and set on Booster mode at 20 watts. Pretty incredible so far, but kinda what I expected. The short tube with narrow ID and recessed bowl, offset one another, resulting in smooth vapor. Of course extensive testing is necessary. :cool:

Sneaky Pete's review was quite positive, and it was nice to be reviewed next to the super popular GH and hold up well. I posted the video on my site for future reference. Thanks @Sneaky Pete .
What...no Chilly update?
 

P.A.M.

Vapo Rising
Did Pete do an actual review or the same 1-2minutes 2 puffs “vape talk” episode ? Do wish he will make a longer one, the Timber is a lot more then a 510 cartridge substitute he suggests
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
I think it shows how well it competes with the GH. Heat up time is about the same but the timber elite IS RELIABLE! 3 weeks with a hopper is nothing. I give it 6-8 months of hard use before the gh is dead again. Hoping not but besides reliability you still can't buy batteries for the GH ?

Timber elite is awesome through water or native I've been going as low as 330 and getting clouds that make me salivate they are so tasty..

Good morning everyone

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Very sweet setup!
 

yeswecann

Well-Known Member
Really loving my timber.

@nonbeliever mine is the unit with two holes.

@Bravesst seriously well done. This thing just gives constant clouds. It’s taken me a moment to figure it out but wow this thing is great. I am seriously enjoying it. And the battery! I can go an evening with it and just about finish a battery. I’ve never had a single battery last an evening on another vape unless I’m barely using it.

As for the shape, I really enjoy it. The wood feels great in the hand.
How's it compare to your Tubo?
 
yeswecann,

Monk Debate

The monks do be debatin’
Goodness I just had an absolutely delightful session with my Timber. I finely ground some herb, packed the bowl firm but not too tight, and then hit it long and slow at 335 F for four, five, six hits. I was getting huge clouds just staying at 335. The taste was unreal. After the taste faded, I did some temp stepping up all the way to 425. Every time I checked the bowl I saw extremely even browning.

I then packed a second bowl with some CBD flower and started the same, four to six hits at 335. Again I got huge clouds. Then instead of temp stepping I blasted it up to 425 to kill the bowl. I rode it right to the edge of combustion but knew when to stop. I’ve never tried vaping so hot, so I ran that through water and between that and the already impressively cool vapor of the Timber, I had no problem taking big rips at 425.

The whole time the entire process was so consistent, I knew exactly how to time each hit. This is honestly the finest, most versatile vape I’ve ever used. I would put this up against any vape out there, portable or desktop.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
So nice to ready the all the positive stuff. The DNA 75c paired with the instaHeat coil has found it's perfect home in Timber. I hope to get this batch finalized this weekend, as well as a couple of small repairs. I am pretty much done making any changes. For the sake of speed and consistency, Timber is nailed down tight.

Hopefully this leaves me time to make some Timber Tubes

Tube Specs
  • 2 1/4 inch long
  • 19/19 taper
  • 7 mm ID
  • 12 mm recessed bowl
With this batch, I'm building 3 extra Timbers: two Black n' Tans - one Walnut / Cherry / Walnut with Walnut Oven, the other Cherry / Walnut / Cherry with a Walnut Oven, as well as a regular Walnut / Cherry unit. All 3 of these units are in pre-assembly, and not spoken for. Just saying, if there's any interest in Timber, now's a good time for a quick turn around (for these 3 specific units: 2 Black n Tan & 1 Walnut / Cherry). These units will probably come with a Timber Tube.
 

Bravesst

Full Steam Ahead
Manufacturer
Lots of questions on even roasting. I personally believe even roasting has a lot to do with what's going on from the tube up, not just the coil down. Of course a perfectly centered heater is important, but I've made this observation before, a coil is not a circle. Just like my avatar, you can see it's not round at all. Yet, it is installed in a perfectly round compartment. Our coil is comprised of 4 parts, wire (leads), mesh (coil itself), butt splice connectors (posts), and disc (mounted to a 7/8 wood disc). This is installed in a 13/16 hole. The mesh is connected to the wire with butt connectors and then soldered. It is then hand rolled into the shape you see below.

If you measure a coil diameter from the outer post it should be about 1 mm larger than the smallest diameter. As you can easily see, a coil is not a true circle, but all of this doesn't really matter. The high volume but relatively low heat generation wafts up in a collective mass, especially as it passes through the fine wire mesh screen that covers the oven. Now the tube and how it's loaded, what it's loaded with, also has an effect on uneven heating. If the contents of the tube is inconsistent (grind, tamp), then uneven roasting may be the result.

I like to keep things consistent, but you surely don't have to. Just load and go, maybe stir once, and you'll get the same end result.

Loading depth is another factor. The further the load is from the heat source, the more the convected air will stabilize before reaching the load. Moisture could possibly affect this, as it easy to see how moisture levels might not be uniform. Of course this is all speculative theory, but after lots of testing and comparing, it is what I've found.

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funkyhomer

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Anyone have recommendations on replacing the screen in the roasting tube? I could not get a standard screen to fit and I’m wondering if I’m just missing the technique.
 
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