Volcano Hybrid

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LesPlenty said:
My Plenty does the blue vapor, not my Mighty though, I think it is due to vaporizing so much product at once, not many vapes can hold this much;
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I never use my reducer, it is just fucked compared to a full bowl.:tup: Also tastes great with the S/S replaced with a glass J-hook:2c:
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I stand corrected, I see what you mean about the bigger bowl size. That could explain a difference in the appearance of the vapor.
 
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invertedisdead said:
Scientific perspective of what?



I don't really understand your reference of bubble hash in comparison to the vaporization point of pure THCA isolate? What are you saying? Also WPFF is probably the lowest selling product in the whole state.



Raw Garden, Beezle, Apex, and many other sauce and sugar extracts are usuing WPFF for higher yields. As far as distillate being the primary method used in edibles that depends on the company and price point. I won’t disagree that there is a huge move to distillate but in the process of making distillates higher pressures and temps activate the thc. If the argument is that there’s a lack of evidence to support proper vaporization temps or activation of thc I’d have to disagree. I’ve worked within the medical cannabis industry for years. And of course pure THCA doesn’t provide that much of a high you’re missing the terpenoids, entourage effect? THCV, Delta 8 and CBN become volatile at different temps. And consuming those isolates alone won’t provide a user with the effect of the whole plant.
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The blue vapour has nothing to do with the amount of herb, i use the reducer capsules and it also produces blue vapour with just a little herb. The Plenty does the same with reducer capsules.

The vapour of the Hybrid is very similar to the Plenty vapour but it is a little bit stronger/more concentrated than the Plenty´s.

when comparing Mighty, Plenty and Hybrid with capsules, the Hybrid is the strongest one of the three which is imo because of the bigger chamber/better airflow compared to the Plenty. The Hybrid is essentially a Plenty on steroids or in other words, the Plenty is the Hybrids little brother :-)
 
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invertedisdead

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@chuloquiles

Thanks for clarifying, I thought you were talking about full melt. As far as hydrocarbon extractions, I would argue the real reason whole plant fresh frozen is so popular it's because it's easy.
Anytime you can skip trimming your 20 acre grow, that's insanely advantageous to a producer. I'm extremely familiar with all of those brands. I wish Raw Garden would go back to making real hash like they used to because their Autoflower based live sauce doesnt do much for me anymore.

Sure you get higher terpene yields of course with a fresh frozen extraction, but they are almost all monoterpenes and create a different molecular "fingerprint" than what would be found in any bud dry enough to vaporize. Let's keep in mind that the most unique terpenes to cannabis are the sesquiterpenoids which are largely a product of enzymatic conversion during curing.

I personally believe terpenes are exaggerated in regards to the "entourage effect" as demonstrated by my combustion smoking buddies who can still differentiate between genetics while burning off all of the terpenes.

If you've ever had broad spectrum distillate such as Raw Gardens "refined live resin" even though it contains THC, and Ithe trace cannabinoids like THCV, CBD, CBN, CBG, as well as distilled cannabis derived terpenes - it doesn't hit like their sauce. IMO the real "entourage effect" is more responsible from the unidentified or lesser known biocompounds based on my study of cannabis analytical lab testing and perceived potency of effects.
 
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readyman said:
How would this volcano Hybrid stack up against the vapexhale cloud evo
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vapecapz said:
It's hard to imagine the Volcano Hybrid being surpassed by any other current desktop vaporizer. If anyone does find a desktop that is better, please tell me what it is. (At least for dry herb)
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I can tell you what's better for dry herb (though I boveda mason jar store for quality :luv:), the Vapexhale EVO :tup:. Your statement is hyperbole; there's no "best" vape for "everyone".... diffferent people have different wants and preferences. For a desktop vape, I like and prefer a pure convection evape; I find it always brings the best flavors and smoothest. Plus the EVO has a great strong and responsive heater. I get very good and consistent results.

Hybrid heating setups like the Volcano bring even more efficient extraction <quicker and more fulsome>) but it's at the expense of flavor and smoothness. No evape does everything perfectly, there are compromises everywhere :sherlock:. Some people like whip, bags plastic and SS in the air path
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, other people seek out glass and SS. Thankfully, there are lots of different vape options out there :leaf::nod:. To each there own :peace:. For what the Volcano Hybrid does (desktop, premium unit, hybrid heating, whips, bags, quick and very efficient extraction). it's a standard bearer :clap::tup:. Just note there are many different standards :) :leaf:.

I'd like to hear about more Volcano hybrid feedback :love::tup:. I like what i hear so far :).
 
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I put the Hybrid out of my price range a week ago as I look for a desktop but after watching a few reviews and seeing what this thing can do I am damn impressed. I've only used a Volcano classic on 2 occasions and it blew me away but I've always thought of them as overkill for my needs. With my increased usage and subsequent tolerance increase they're looking very appealing. I contacted Vapormed who make the Mighty Medic and Volcano Medic and they said there is something coming for a new Volcano Hybrid Medic but they couldn't give more details. As a medical user I can claim this on my taxes so I'll be patiently waiting and drooling over all you lucky people that have one of these in hand.
 
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CANtalk said:
. Just note there are many different standards :) :leaf:.
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For sure. I still believe Volcano Hybrid is the best desktop vape ACROSS the board, but it does not outshine niche vapes that do their niche things well. So it might not produce the BEST flavour, but it will produce good flavour still. It's so god damn easy, fast, convenient, consistant and flexible...SO flexible. Volcano history tells us they will be reliable for a long time too.

Depending on what you want for the vape, it might not be the best vape for you. I would still consider it best OVERALL in the desktop class.
 
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SquirrelMaster said:
I put the Hybrid out of my price range a week ago as I look for a desktop but after watching a few reviews and seeing what this thing can do I am damn impressed. I've only used a Volcano classic on 2 occasions and it blew me away but I've always thought of them as overkill for my needs. With my increased usage and subsequent tolerance increase they're looking very appealing. I contacted Vapormed who make the Mighty Medic and Volcano Medic and they said there is something coming for a new Volcano Hybrid Medic but they couldn't give more details. As a medical user I can claim this on my taxes so I'll be patiently waiting and drooling over all you lucky people that have one of these in hand.
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the device is really good, it is the best vape i have ever owned, the effect is just amazing, the pre heat time is stupidly fast and the whole device is really made to get the most effect out of your material.

i am super impressed about the efficiency of the device, it also works good with small amounts via dosing capsules or filling the chamber with a liquid pad.

when i need a quick hit but don´t want to have too strong effects, i put a little bit into the reducer chamber and cover it with the liquid pad, perfect for small doses.

when filling the normal chamber this thing is a real beast, the effects can be really strong.

The Hybrid is a joy to use for sure :-)
 
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What is the total time pumping for to fill regular bags / large 3ft bags. From memory it was about 45 seconds, and 90ish seconds?
 
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I'm torn on the stepped bags :sherlock: :hmm:. It's better for flavor which I really like :), but it's simply a full spectrum bag with less efficient extraction of the high temp vapor cannabinoids :|. And the bag is pumped in a manner that the low temp vapor cannabinoids are at the back of the back of the bag and the first vapor draws will be the high temp vapor sedative cannabinoids :\. I'm not really into full extraction hits of fresh flower, aka one-hitters, but it's great to see the hybrid volcano can give a better flavor version of a full spectrum bag :tup:. I'd rather have that and lose some extraction efficiency than the other way around :). Most all the time I temp ramp my vaping. I love low temp draws :luv: and would love to hear any feedback from owners using the Volcano hybrid that way :nod: ; it's gotta be a wild ride with big chamber use :cool:.

How long are people waiting to draw from a stepped bag? For decent bag mixing I'd consider waiting 5 minutes or so... :shrug:. So many variables and so many ways to vape.
 
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invertedisdead

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CANtalk said:
And the bag is pumped in a manner that the low temp vapor cannabinoids are at the back of the back of the bag and the first vapor draws will be the high temp vapor sedative cannabinoids
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What experience are you basing that on? Troy's review said it was substantially tastier than the older Volcano's?

Outside of the "holds" there is literally a pump running the entire time, I'm not sure why you would think the vapor is not homogenized.
 
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invertedisdead said:
What experience are you basing that on? Troy's review said it was substantially tastier than the older Volcano's?

Outside of the "holds" there is literally a pump running the entire time, I'm not sure why you would think the vapor is not homogenized.
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Basic deductions is the best way I'd put it? I'm medicated here so bear with me here :\
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. I wasn't talking about older Volcanoes in any way; the statement you quoted made no reference to flavors and I wasn't trying to do so either. Please explain further if I'm missing something.

As for vapor homogenization, it's my understanding of basic physics and physical processes that filling the volcano bag from empty with the pump will not mix much (i.e, homogenize the vapor on its own) as the bag is filled (from zero space). It's not a filled system with air currents being generated throughout all of the vapor. It's more similar to a vacuum fill. I don't doubt the stepped temp air pumping may mix a little, but essentially the overall stepped air pumping will at first set up different zones in the bag with different vapors.

Now it comes down to the molecular air diffusion physics and other inputs such as the tendency towards entropy, etc. to mix the bag (homogenize). Air diffusion of even small molecular weight compounds is pretty low (4 mm/s for example... and high heat in the vaporization range only adds a mm or two) and it gets much worse for large molecular weight compounds such as cannabis organic cannabinoids. All taken together, I've been under the impression that it's going to take some time to mix. Maybe it's well mixed in 2.5 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes... I haven't really run much for numbers yet and am posting about it to discuss :peace: :).
 
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CANtalk said:
Basic deductions is the best way I'd put it? I'm medicated here so bear with me here :\
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. I wasn't talking about older Volcanoes in any way; the statement you quoted made no reference to flavors and I wasn't trying to do so either. Please explain further if I'm missing something.

As for vapor homogenization, it's my understanding of basic physics and physical processes that filling the volcano bag from empty with the pump will not mix much (i.e, homogenize the vapor on it's own) as the bag is filled (from zero space). It's not a full system with air flow occurring throughout all of the vapor as the bag is filled. It's similar to a vacuum fill. I don't doubt the stepped temp air pumping may mix a little but essentially the overall stepped air pumping will set up different zones in the bag with different vapors.

Now it comes down to the molecular air diffusion physics and other inputs such as the tendency towards entropy, etc. to mix the bag (homogenize). Air diffusion of even small molecular weight compounds is pretty low (0.0004 mm/s for example) and it get's much worse for large molecular weight compounds such as cannabis organic cannabinoids. All taken together, I've been under the impression that it's going to take some time to mix. Maybe it's well mixed in 2.5 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes... I haven't really run much for numbers yet and am posting about it to discuss :peace: :).
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It would have been much simpler for you to just admit you've never hit a bag vape, sheesh.
lol @ your deductions, reasonings, theoreticals, hypotheticals, and other exemplaries :rofl:

With all that molecular air diffusion physics did you consider how much vapor will fall out of phase waiting 10 minutes for the contents to mix?
 
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invertedisdead said:
It would have been much simpler for you to just admit you've never hit a bag vape, sheesh.
lol @ your deductions, reasonings, theoreticals, hypotheticals, and other exemplaries :rofl:
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You never seem to miss an opportunity to insult people who have a different perspective and experience from you. Last I remember, science is good:sherlock:. There's no response to the science but a instead a personal attack; you be you :(:argh:.
 
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Day 3:

So I started to think I am not getting as much out of my weed because I have to keep filling the chamber with more weed than I'm used to. In my dynavap I was able to get the AVB really dark and felt efficient.

So I took the AVB from the Volcano Hybrid and tired to put it in the Dynavap to see if I get any vapor. I got very very little. So now I know that the Volcano does fully vaporize lolz.
 
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CANtalk said:
You never seem to miss an opportunity to insult people who have a different perspective and experience from you. Last I remember, science is good:sherlock:. There's no response to the science but a instead a personal attack; you be you :(:argh:.
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You don't have any experience with bag vapes, what on Earth are you talking about?

Pretty sure I've posted more on vapor science than nearly anyone on the forum.
I didn't respond to your "science" bit cause it's literally full of hot air :rofl:

Peace! :peace:
 
Silat

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CANtalk said:
Basic deductions is the best way I'd put it? I'm medicated here so bear with me here :\
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. I wasn't talking about older Volcanoes in any way; the statement you quoted made no reference to flavors and I wasn't trying to do so either. Please explain further if I'm missing something.

As for vapor homogenization, it's my understanding of basic physics and physical processes that filling the volcano bag from empty with the pump will not mix much (i.e, homogenize the vapor on its own) as the bag is filled (from zero space). It's not a filled system with air currents being generated throughout all of the vapor. It's more similar to a vacuum fill. I don't doubt the stepped temp air pumping may mix a little, but essentially the overall stepped air pumping will at first set up different zones in the bag with different vapors.

Now it comes down to the molecular air diffusion physics and other inputs such as the tendency towards entropy, etc. to mix the bag (homogenize). Air diffusion of even small molecular weight compounds is pretty low (4 mm/s for example... and high heat in the vaporization range only adds a mm or two) and it gets much worse for large molecular weight compounds such as cannabis organic cannabinoids. All taken together, I've been under the impression that it's going to take some time to mix. Maybe it's well mixed in 2.5 minutes, 5 minutes, 10 minutes... I haven't really run much for numbers yet and am posting about it to discuss :peace: :).
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There is no vacuum in the filling of a bag....
 
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Stu said:
That was un-necessarily harsh, @invertedisdead. Let's keep this discussion civil, folks. Take it to PMs if you must.

Thank you.

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Irrational bully behavior makes me not want to participate on the forum and it isn't the first time :(.

Silat said:
There is no vacuum in the filling of a bag....
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Yes, but there's no air displacement going on inside the bag either; hence the comparison. Filling a collapsed empty bag is not like blowing air into a house room.
 
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