Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah if the heater is steel on not quite sure what could be causing it for us, mine is pretty heavily broken in at this point, but I will continue on and report back!
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Yeah if the heater is steel on not quite sure what could be causing it for us, mine is pretty heavily broken in at this point, but I will continue on and report back!
Summer
Long Island, NY
The Fury 2's heater is nichrome, but it's isolated from the airpath.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
I think its literally impossible for it to be isolated from the air path, convection heating works by heating up the air so by definition the air has to come in contact with the heating element...? Unless I am missing something here
But so I definitely feel like my Fury2 tastes better to me, perhaps because it is far more broken in, so again I will keep add it with the Fierce and report back. I think I may even take it on a trip in a couple weeks where it'd see a lot of use
lordtinuviel
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Just curious, does it happens with any strain?
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
For me, yes, since I start at low temps you definitely can pick on the good strain flavors at first, but its a fast fade. I even had some amazing buds that were fresh off the plant, first using a different vape, then this one it was very apparent unfortunately... I've tried a pretty wide variety, its I'm using a blend that's not the nicest, it feels more worthwhile to me (but like I said I'm going to continue to break it in so hopefully it improve for me)
Jill NYC
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Yup.
OF
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If it's convection (and I don't think it really is....) it still depends on conduction to heat the air? What the heated surface is made of is what matters, not what the heat source is made of. It's the material of the pot I cook my dinner that matters, not the campfire, gas or electric stove or even steam that heats it.
And remember that metals in the heater aren't really evaporating off to a practical degree (or it would get thinner/lighter and fail like a light bulb filament does)? As HR says, I think most of the objectionable taste must come from contamination, not he materials?
Made all the harder so sort out since we have observers who are highly sensitive to things that most of us don't even sense.
In the end I thing the responsibly falls on each of us to find a vape that gives us personal satisfaction. We buy vapes to enjoy not fuss/obsess/worry over.
Regards to all.
OF
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yes, but I'm not sure I understand, here the heated surface is the heat source? Doesn't this work by you drawing fresh air through the bottom, so it then passes through the heated steel coil (which is visible) and up through the herb? Yes since it is so small, the steel chamber is going to heat up and provide some conduction as well (as does the glass stem then in turn) So I guess I'm not so sure what your point is? I have no qualms here, just posting experience and discussing tests, comparing notes etc. But you may have just been speaking generally, not directly to me despite the quoted reply... Taste always subjective of course, but yeah who knows unit to unit.
OF
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While I was speaking generally, I think it's also specific to this (and similar) vapes. A very small fraction of the incoming air actually makes physical contact with hot enough metal to bring the average temperature up to 400F (give or take). Not hot enough to make vapor. Rather, such vapes are really conduction. It has to be since to work in convection the air must be heated substantially hotter than vaping temperature so it can give up heat to the load (cooling in the process) and still be above 400F? For instance ThermoVapess run the heaters ('thermal cores) at about 1300F. Glowing hot.
If this class of vapes really was convection driven, you wouldn't need a metal cup around the load to conduct heat in, right? You could pull the stem up out of the cup and make fine vapor on the heated air? And 'heat soak' (where a pause between hits, for replacement heat to conduct in) would not happen. The very fact that 'heat soaks improve vapor' shows that conduction is really happening?
The chamber walls are heated by conduction and in turn supply heat to the load, they are not heated up by hot air or they would not need to be metal connected to the heater element?
Still, all that really matters is the opinion of the owner. If he/she is happy, all is well and why or why not is simply fodder for speculation and reflection. The fact remains that hot SS, Nichrome, or similar materials aren't contributing smell/taste (the 'vapor pressure' of such materials at these temperatures, it's ability to evaporate, are trivial at best). A new toaster smells for the reasons HR says (contamination from manufacture), but that very rapidly goes away and we're left with dust, pet dander, and other contamination, the metal itself being incidental.
Or so the theory goes.
Regards to all.
OF
Vaporific
All who wander are not lost...
Great analogy!
So very true. I enjoy simplicity (and portability) and HR products are very simple to use.
I do wonder however whether the chamber walls might have or give off some residue? I highly doubt it but we've already talked about the heater and air path so what's left? The chamber and a one's mouthpiece of choice? Hopefully it will dissipate quickly for optimal enjoyment.
OF
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So very true. I enjoy simplicity (and portability) and HR products are very simple to use.
I do wonder however whether the chamber walls might have or give off some residue? I highly doubt it but we've already talked about the heater and air path so what's left? The chamber and a one's mouthpiece of choice? Hopefully it will dissipate quickly for optimal enjoyment.
Good point. Add to that the all important dependability (you get the expected results every time) and it shapes up to be a real winner for sure.
Your point about the chamber itself is also a good one. It too can be a source of smells for the same reason (as well as the internal surfaces of the assembly). These would be less than the heater element alone, of course, due to the lower temperature. And may of us wipe such accessibly surfaces down with ISO and do burn offs before use.
While for most of us this presents a minor or no problem, that doesn't change the point that some few are not happy with it. Sadly some are very very sensitive to smells. I recall reading a paper on 'The Threshold of Smells' years ago, were subjects were subjected to a controlled 'whiff' of various things in a forced air stream passing them. Not only did folks ability detect to various materials (some could easily smell say lighter fluid, well within 'normal' but be 'nose blind' to say ammonia (another test material that sticks in my mind). And variations were not tiny, 'ten to the third and fourth' were common. That is some were able to detect 1000 or even 10,000 times lower concentration than others. Probably related to bloodhounds. True outliers, but real people. I worked in a shop where we had a guy that couldn't smell burning components on circuit boards he was working on. Smells that left most of us gagging and teary eyed up close. And yet there was a guy 'from upstairs' (Engineering) that could smell it walking through the door the next day....
Hey, some can sniff a bit of wine and tell you all about it. The year, who grew it and where?
Takes all kinds, you know. Or we wouldn't have horse races?
Weekend regards to all, great weather here, I've got vape in hand and am going back to the garden again.
OF
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Hmm well not to get off topic, but I feel like the RBT vapes, probably Tubo and others as well, do not work this way. They don't need heaters that hot like the T1 did for pure convection vaping as far as I know... Also if I heat up my Fierce or Fury, and pop a loaded stem in, I do get paper right when I start drawing. So does that not imply its also using some real convection? I wouldn't deny this can be considered a hybrid vape, and I'm no scientist, but I don't know, that just doesn't jive with my own experience is all.
As for smell and taste contamination, I don't think this is a case of me being sensitive, I also didn't just open it up and start complaining about the smell. It has been pretty well broken in at this point after being cleaned burned off and used and burned off many times more, while the smell persists, I guess I should check to see if there are fumes or something to suggest it could be a defective unit? Comparing it to my Fury2 and seeing what others have to say along with the manufacturer... I almost want to send it to you @OF to test for yourself lol
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Hi All! We had a team meeting today and I am embarrassed to say that our last post was technically inaccurate. Our team reminded me that our FIERCE does have a stainless steel heating tube element, but it is heated by a nichrome coil. It is our upcoming FURY EDGE that has both a stainless steel heating tube element and is heated by a stainless steel coil. This confusion is my fault and you have my most humble apologies.
The heating element including the coil in no way touches your material or the chamber - so this should not affect the taste/smell, and is certainly not a health issue. As a few of you have pointed out - taste is very subjective and every vaporizer has a different flavor profile. Nevertheless, on our next production run, we are changing our FIERCE heating coil to stainless steel in order to accommodate our most sensitive clients. If you feel that you are sensitive to the FIERCE coil, please contact us: healthyrips@gmail.com. We want all of our clients to be 100% satisfied and confident that they have the best vaporizer available.
Sincerely,
Teece - Healthy Rips Team
The heating element including the coil in no way touches your material or the chamber - so this should not affect the taste/smell, and is certainly not a health issue. As a few of you have pointed out - taste is very subjective and every vaporizer has a different flavor profile. Nevertheless, on our next production run, we are changing our FIERCE heating coil to stainless steel in order to accommodate our most sensitive clients. If you feel that you are sensitive to the FIERCE coil, please contact us: healthyrips@gmail.com. We want all of our clients to be 100% satisfied and confident that they have the best vaporizer available.
Sincerely,
Teece - Healthy Rips Team
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Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
See? Where in the world do you get customer service like this?! Amazing
Edit: also upon further testing, I can confirm no fumes, and seeing that it is in fact NiChrome here, I do think it is my own sensitivity after all. I have a few other vapes with this type of heater material and they all do have a certain taste to them that I notice. I will say that the Fury2 is one of the best even so, I think with the Fierce it is more noticeable to me because it is a larger heater, with more mass of that metal. This is also what makes it so effective, so I am actually really looking forward to this news the heater will be in fact steel soon enough. I think that would resolve my one-complaint, and given all the other pros, this is a great value truly. Looking forward to the Fury Edge even more now!
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The all S/S heater and tube in the Fierce will make a lot of people happier, it just sounds better than Nichrome, I am sure there are still people that would purchase the F2 over the One just for this reason.
I look forward to an all S/S twin pack from HR, a Fierce and a Fury Edge to go with my S/S F2.
I look forward to an all S/S twin pack from HR, a Fierce and a Fury Edge to go with my S/S F2.
Vaporific
All who wander are not lost...
Indeed! Simply transparent, quick, collaborative in community, and friendly. What more could consumers want?
Indeed too as others pointed out that our sensitivities differ. There may be obvious and either unanimous or majority observations or few and far between. I think the latter category applies for most ‘issues’ herein which is good.
Gotta get back to work. Happy Monday to all...
OF
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I think the latter category applies for most ‘issues’ herein which is good.
Gotta get back to work. Happy Monday to all...
Excellent point. The (overwhelming?) majority find no problems, but still those that do are real people with what we assume are real concerns. "You can't please all the people all the time" is true as ever, but some, like HR, are fighting that reality. Bravo!
About that work thing? I recommend retirement......and I've done both...... Monday, yeah, that too. One of the secrets of being successfully retired is to know that Sunday is the day with the thick newspaper (and lots of traffic mid day and few parking places open downtown). Hopefully all you 'wage slaves' will learn this stuff first hand, and sooner better than later.
Regards to all.
OF
Vaporific
All who wander are not lost...
Not yet sir but thinking about major geographic relocation to gradually ease into semi or full retirement. Just not ready to retire. My concern is that I’m in a fully legal state now and my potential target destinations aren’t legal or medical only of which I’m not a MMJ user (as of now).
HR indeed has done A LOT to address public and private concerns which is a testament to their integrity and operations. Kudos! And cheers to everyone - gotta get back to (ahem) work
Awesome customer service above!!! However, with that said and the next production of the Fierce being SS - Is there any safety concern between NiChrome and Stainless Steel? Is one safer than the other? Or is it simply the difference in taste amongst people?
I've been using my Fierce more and more lately trying to continue to push away that "flavor". One thing I do notice however, is that I get wheezy after a session on the Fierce, whereas with the Dynavap I won't have any issues. Probably just a me thing, but figured I'd ask as I know we are all unique.
I've been using my Fierce more and more lately trying to continue to push away that "flavor". One thing I do notice however, is that I get wheezy after a session on the Fierce, whereas with the Dynavap I won't have any issues. Probably just a me thing, but figured I'd ask as I know we are all unique.
Solomon
Talk to the Beard
Taste is definitely a subjective thing - my daughter could tell the difference with my old Haze Dual if I used a SS dosing can top versus a silicon top - even though all the tops had been used for years, and had been cleaned with alcohol dozens of times - and that the silicon was food-grade and rated to 1200 degrees - she could taste the silicon. So yeah, some people can taste things others can't.
One other possible source could also be the pods (if you used them). They're a simple SS screen and top and should probably be soaked in alcohol before use to remove any machine oils.
It's often a mystery where a smell come from - sometimes the packaging itself imparts a smell. Had one do that - took days to get rid of the smell - manufacturer actually had to change packing materials.
One other possible source could also be the pods (if you used them). They're a simple SS screen and top and should probably be soaked in alcohol before use to remove any machine oils.
It's often a mystery where a smell come from - sometimes the packaging itself imparts a smell. Had one do that - took days to get rid of the smell - manufacturer actually had to change packing materials.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Over 5 years ago .... My first vape, the MFLB, didn't make me wheeze. Now it does make me wheeze and it's not the weed and I'm not doing anything differently with it. Before I found vaping I had mild asthma and that was after having given up the cigarettes for almost a decade. I was still com-busting herb though and think it was why the asthma hung in there. Vaping eliminated the asthma but might have made my lungs cleaner so the MFLB now makes me wheeze but didn't when my lungs were stressed by smoking herb. The MFLB is the only vape that makes me wheeze.
So many things can cause lung sensitivity.... Your wheezing may be due to the Fierce flavor you mentioned or it could just be like the vape signature issue I have with MFLB that took 5 years to occur.
Vaporific
All who wander are not lost...
Hi. I don't own a Fierce but a long-time thread follower and have posted herein (I have a couple of Furies and almost pulled the trigger on the Fierce). Could it be attributed to draw resistance or air flow? I don't own a MFLB either nor have I ever tried it but the common theme above is a particular vape presumably among others (I say this because I don't have a vape 'collection' like many do). So for me, temp is the variable that makes me wheeze a bit and tinges the throat so I don't go above a certain temp with the two different vape types that I own. And what about using water filtration with the particular vapes - would that make a difference, preferably positive? Just throwing out possibilities.
Hope everyone is staying cool. Ah, Summer!
Hi. I don't own a Fierce but a long-time thread follower and have posted herein (I have a couple of Furies and almost pulled the trigger on the Fierce). Could it be attributed to draw resistance or air flow? I don't own a MFLB either nor have I ever tried it but the common theme above is a particular vape presumably among others (I say this because I don't have a vape 'collection' like many do). So for me, temp is the variable that makes me wheeze a bit and tinges the throat so I don't go above a certain temp with the two different vape types that I own. And what about using water filtration with the particular vapes - would that make a difference, preferably positive? Just throwing out possibilities.
Hope everyone is staying cool. Ah, Summer!
+1 on the temp. Extensive use this past week or 2 I've been messing with different temps and switching between the Dynavap and Fierce. It's obvious my shorter sessions on the vapcap limit my wheezing just because I'm extracting quicker than I have been while seshing on the Fierce. Guess it was common sense and I shoulda known, lol.
I haven't personally used water methods yet, but am definitely going to in the near future.
And as an update from my original post, I have to give credit where deserved. After about close to 2 weeks of steady use, I can honestly say the flavor is now pretty darn great! I'm glad I didn't jump the gun and give up, it's such a beast of a unit! Especially with an extra battery and dosing caps!
I'll take summer over winter - Always!
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
Without the science to back it up.....I think the sensitivity to the MFLB that took years to develop is a combination of.....cleaner lungs, short vapor path and temp. I was fond of using the MFLB dry without a stem at all when I'm out and that's a tiny vapor path. When I have used water with the MFLB the issue goes away. I expect water with the Fierce would also eliminate the issue.
OF
Well-Known Member
Adding a bit of science (which might be part of it), I suggest moisture is indeed a factor. Relative Humidity (the measure in percent of the total moisture relative to the maximum) goes down automatically with warmer temperature. This is why deserts are dry, for instance. Or why fog happens when the air cools (and can therefore no longer hold as much water as vapor).
Vapes that deliver hot air, like MFLB or FIERCE by definition also deliver very dry air. This dries out the moisture in your respiratory system. WTs, even if they don't cool the air or filter out irritants directly, add moisture back to combat this. Indeed, even a few drops of water on a bit of cotton cloth in the MP above the load provides useful relief for many (those most sensitive?).
It's really like the old saw about chicken soup (for the ill): Can't hurt, might help. Definitely worth a try.
OF