Life Saber (LSV) by Elev8 Vehicles

Ash057 said:

I really wonder why anybody would say this is overpriced.
The much loved PD is $180. Nobody gripes about the price of the PD.
For $120 more than the PD you get:
Temp control. Not stuck at a certain temp
Hand machined aluminum construction. Wood vapes have been known to crack with heat.
The PD has metal heating element.
The LSV has ceramic heating element.
The PD has plastic tubes that hold small loads
The LSV has pyrex glass "transfer wands" for small loads and adapters that hold 5x as much!
The LSV takes 3 minutes to heat up. The PD takes 30!
The LSV comes with a nice padded hemp bag with lots of pockets. The PD comes with a muslin tote.
The LSV has the option of small and large loads. The Fatty Wand Adapter holds 5x as much material as the standard.
The LSV was designed for versatility. It was designed to give you options for small loads, large loads, waterpipe usage, and as a butane free lighter.

I think $300 is very fair for this vape. It is not fair to compare this vape to motorcycle grips or vaporizers in concept stages. The EQV is another versatile vape and it still sold by Arizer com at $300.

I have used a PD several times and have owned a zap.
I have not used a LSV yet (would love to "review" one!)
I just bought a Silver Surfer, I wished I knew about this, I would have waited!

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If the LSV isn't a soldering iron in a (admittedly very nice) aluminum case with a built-in potentiometer, just like the SSV and DBV, I'll be surprised. I doubt it'll even have internal temperature regulation.

I used to work for a company that distributed CNC machines, among other things.

Saying that hand-drilled holes are somehow better is mind-boggling. You're saying that your hand-held (and therefore imperfect and wobbly) machine is better than a computer-controlled drill?

It's one thing if it's sanded by hand or shaped by hand, like some of the wood vapes are. Those have some charm to them. But these are holes. Honestly I'd rather have them done by machine because we all know that hand-drilled holes are often imperfect and uneven.

From the pictures, it definitely looks like it will be very, very difficult for someone to get all of those holes lined up perfectly with a hand tool.

This gimmick alone turns me way, way off the LSV, and I was a big fan of the DBV. Please don't treat us like we're stupid. And while I understand that a hand-held form factor is indeed very desirable (a la HerbalAire), the price does not match the capabilities, end of story..

Revvy said:

If the LSV isn't a soldering iron in a (admittedly very nice) aluminum case with a built-in potentiometer, just like the SSV and DBV, I'll be surprised. I doubt it'll even have internal temperature regulation.

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Agreed. At least you get that (plus bag fill) with an HA. This is just a Hakko with a glass and metal cover. Admittedly a nice glass and metal cover. $150 and I'd be pretty sold. $300 and I'm going to go with something that brings something new, something innovative to the table, like a VXH, EQ, or Oracle.

It is hard to say what it is worth without user reviews. True it is low tech with out digital temp control, but look at the MFLB ... when it was first introduced over 18 months ago it was ripped apart as being too expensive etc, but fast forward 18 months and it has legions of supporters (me being one of them) that would gladly pay double its 99.00 price.

When I owned a SSV and figured out how simple and overpriced the thing was (especially when I took it apart) I sold it, in that regard I am not the least bit surprised this is that expensive. One issue I had with 7th floor was the QC of their glass, one whip I owned the screen would roll around like crazy and herb would slip thru constantly, making my whip a dirty mess, the other the screen would barely fit. And if you guys are REALLY suprised about the high price, just look at the janky China glass they sell at highend glass prices, that in itself shows their "taxation"

proof is in the pudding:
http://silversurfervap.com/glass/ice-chambers/ice-chamber-46.html CHINA glass!!!!! And I love how EVERYTHING has a "special" price

DeepFried said:

but look at the MFLB ... when it was first introduced over 18 months ago it was ripped apart as being too expensive etc, but fast forward 18 months and it has legions of supporters (me being one of them) that would gladly pay double its 99.00 price.

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this is true, but the stealthness/portability and effectiveness more than make up for the price

the LSV looks like a nice vape indeed. a very handy tool. i can see myself keeping one in my office at work... but i paid 200 for a DBV so i cant see paying anymore than that for the LSV

It's amazing how price sensitive stuff is. Above a certain price and buyers shy away. Reach a certain buy price on a quality item and it's gone sure enough like clockwork. My vriptech set-up does just fine until a fine something better. The Vrip wand sounds nice, but appears to unreliable from reports I've seen. I've bought a lot from Vriptech over the years and have even more respect seeing as how the Monkey likes Vrip. only it was cash and carry online. No contact of any kind. The owner Mark always seemd busy and distant and still does. He sure likes wrapping with that paper doesn't he? LOL And his hats are AWESOME! If the Vripmaster could work with me so i could get a years worth of service from a wand, I'd pop on one, (buy it). I've already thought about how I'd mount it, I'd hang it Take a vrip and release. Vrip and release...vrip and release.

ive thought quite a bit about why im so reluctant to pay $300 for this vape and it comes down to smarts. There are a few impressive vapes in this price range that regulate their temps with microchips or microprocessors or whatever while you hit it to maintain a consistent(ish) temp. i know on my SSV the same spot on the dial doesn't always produce the same temp, which is ok because I've learned how to adapt, but the two main factors that effect my temp is that the heating element has never been secure, and its height coming from the unit can change by about 3/4 of an inch, which inside the heater cover makes all the difference in the world. When it drops to its lowest I can crank it up all the way and barely get vapor, but when its at its highest I can easily combust at full power.



Had I known then what I know now, when I bought a $300 vape, temp consistency would have played a major role in my decision. So my questions are

is the heating element completely secure?

if I find my ideal temp, when I turn the dial to that same spot will it hit the same temp a week later? a month? a year?

how is the heat retention?

You can easily adjust the element's heights and how snug the heater cover fits. I think it's great that it's not all fixed in a permanent place since different glass will need the heater taller or shorter. To me this has always been an upside, rather than a downside. Once you realize how easy it is to gently pull up on the element (when off of course!) or push down it's no biggie.

But then again I keep a close eye on my vapes, clean them meticulously, and do minor maintenance every few months so I notice these things.

B. said:

the heating element has never been secure, and its height coming from the unit can change by about 3/4 of an inch, which inside the heater cover makes all the difference in the world. When it drops to its lowest I can crank it up all the way and barely get vapor, but when its at its highest I can easily combust at full power.

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hmmmm... interesting

do you or anyone else know if this also goes for the DBV element? i have gone out of my way not to fiddle with the heater so ive got no idea. ive always gotten pretty consistent temps in regards to the dial setting.

i can tell you one thing... my hakko vape w/ DBV heater cover retains heat like no other vape ive ever used. there is no wait time between hits with this puppy. plus the hakko element itself is about twice the diameter of the DBV heaters therefor giving you more heated surface which in turn should help heat retention. hakko claims that the thermal recovery is lighting fast with their elements.

i think ill be giving this LSV some time on the market and then start looking on ebay for a more reasonable price. i would love to have one of these. the idea of a more compact DBV is very appealing.

very easy to adjust when cool,but when it drops mid session when the cover and element are both super hot its not so simple.

Wow, mine nor has any of my friends had an element so loose it will slip down. Send it for warranty.

since you said it...

i tried repeatedly to get in contact with 7th floor about the issue, no response to a handful of emails. this was years ago, and i doubt its still covered.
i wish i could see this defect as an advantage like you aes. i'd prefer it if the dial was all i needed to adjust the temp. Im my experience none of the heater covers ive owned have required different heights of the heating element, i would prefer if the ceramic were fixed in place.


off topic tho.

has anyone yet tried the LSV?

can't wait to hear some user reports.

Yea this thread needs to get back to the product at hand.

Vids, more exhaustive pics and a review would be great

yeah would be nice to see a vid explaining everything that this thing does, and why its the next step for 7th floor.

Let me first start by saying that I was out of line, by calling that VX 'plastic fantastic'. I thought the 3d rendering looked like plastic; I apologize to VX. I'm Sorry.

Obviously, with all forums on the internet, there are trolls who just want to attack. We can't do anything about it. We realize that the rational people in this forum see through that stuff. No matter how good your product is, someone will always find a way to put it down. No company or product is immune to this. I did *exactly* what I dislike about internet forums...baseless flame throwing. I am guilty.

I had not seen the product, and made assumptions about it. I think there is far too much of that going on here. At the end of the day we are all on the same team...fighting for the same goal.

But I am here... and we stand behind our products.

Stinky, If you would read the posts in this forum, you would see that I already fully disclosed where and how our products are made. I laid it out for all to see. The importance of reading all posts cannot be understated.

To address those who are still complaining about the drilling process, you claim we could pay less, but you have no concept of what we are paying, so the point is moot. We explored every opportunity and option for this process. There are so many logistics to the situation that you are not factoring in, not even aware of. The result - baseless assumptions. Anyone that thinks billet, or lasers, or machining the tube would have been better, is basing this on speculation and not real-world experience. We tested every method. That is the perspective I speak from. Speculation and handlebar grips do not make for strong counterpoints.

If you want direct answers, ask direct questions. I don't understand why people in this thread say that we are avoiding...anything. I will answer each and every one. But again, this is not a logistics debate. (see above?)

I had issued a challenge, show us a vape that is as well made, has as long a warranty, has so many uses, and built with style. The best anyone can come up with, is two vapes which combined still don't do what ours does. The challenge stands. I really don't see how that is pouring honey on the floor.

Videos are going into production, and should be on the site soon!

If you feel your DBV or SSV is not functioning correctly, keep in mind we do offer a 3 year warranty, so just get a hold of us and we will take care of you. Also, if your outside that period, we only charge for parts. Labor is free for life!

I really look forward to the debate the ensues when more people have actually had a chance to use the product. We were invited to be the only vaporizer on premises for the Patient Areas at the SmokeOut 2010 festival in Southern California last weekend, where hoards of people had an opportunity to use it for the first time, and it was a huge success. We had at least 18 vapes lined up, and people were backed up four and five deep all day. The longest lines were for for the LSV... If only I could have taken photos!

You sat through this much of my rambling? Thanks for playing. I added a coupon code 'fuckcombustion' - no quotes - on the lifesabervaporizer.com site that will enable 10% off anything and everything. It expires next Friday, November 5.

Commemdable post,much respect.

SSV Chris said:

Stinky, If you would read the posts in this forum, you would see that I already fully disclosed where and how our products are made. I laid it out for all to see. The importance of reading all posts cannot be understated.

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Then why for years have you claimed your products were MADE IN USA, stated on your websites multiple times and multiple places?

This is the original question, sure you came clean here but for years you you have been deceiving people everywhere which still today believe your products are not made in China.

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To address those who are still complaining about the drilling process, You claim we could pay less, but you have no concept of what we are paying, so the point is moot. We explored every opportunity and option for this process. There are so many logistics to the situation that you are not factoring in, not even aware of. The result - baseless assumptions. Anyone that thinks billet, or lasers, or machining the tube would have been better, is basing this on speculation and not real-world experience. We tested every method. That is the perspective I speak from. Speculation and handlebar grips do not make for strong counterpoints.

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I will say again as I did earlier, I never said billet would be better. I said that they manage to sell a pair (2) grips with more intricate work for $87, which makes your high price claim baseless be because when people started complaining about prices, you used said one of the reasons the price was high was because of the aluminum tube with holes drilled.

This is why you have a terrible reputation, because you can not read the questions at hand. I feel like you think you have to have the last word with everyone. If you can't admit your company was dishonest about the Made in China advertising, you will always be looked down upon in my eyes and many others I presume.

SSV Chris said:

Let me first start by saying that I was out of line, by calling that VX 'plastic fantastic'. I thought the 3d rendering looked like plastic; I apologize to VX. I'm Sorry.

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Well done.

What else is needed to use this out of the box besides medicine and electricity? I am having conceptual use difficulties and the web site doesn't help.

SSV Chris said:

Let me first start by saying that I was out of line, by calling that VX 'plastic fantastic'. I thought the 3d rendering looked like plastic; I apologize to VX. I'm Sorry.

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Well done.

Stink, regarding the Made in China issue, could the explanation be that at one time, they WERE made in the USA? Guess this is a question for Chris as well. There is a real fine line in the marketing/advertising arena where one wants to put a positive spin on their product, but crosses that fine line into deception. Is this a case of some over aggressive marketing?

I actually remember the day when people used to view "Made in Japan" as cheap garbage. Now it means quality. China is just a perception as well. SSV's are probably more accurately assembled and finished in the USA. I'm more intererested if the product works rather than where it's made.

Excellent post SSV Chris......glad you cleared some things up.....especially the shot you took at VXH. I personally feel the price of the LSV is a bit high right now but I have a feeling that price will come down.
Stink......by saying that 7th Floor has a terrible reputation I think you are grasping at straws. The company has an awesome rep as far as I and many of my friends are concerned. I have at least 10 friends who have a DBV or SSV and all are VERY satisfied with both the product and the customer service if they have had a problem(which is only 2 that I know of). Comparing CNC'd motorcycle grips to a vaporizer is apples & oranges.....doesnt really bolster your argument imo.

SSV Chris said:

Obviously, with all forums on the internet, there are trolls who just want to attack. We can't do anything about it. We realize that the rational people in this forum see through that stuff.

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with all possible do respect (not sarcasm at all) can you please explain how logistics of it come into the pricing of the machining an aluminum tube??? the tube is made in china correct? im being totally serious here. a real discussion. but then you claim that our assumptions arent based on "real world experience"... seriously? cmon man.

also, which posters specifically are "trolls" and who are the "rational people"? it seems as if your apologizing for name calling, but then still doing it. im a customer of yours and i feel like your calling me a troll or that im not being "rational"... which is pretty lame IMO.

i swear im not just trying to stir the pot here or be "overly aggressive". im just pointing out what i see. i dont think there is anything wrong with that. ive stated in this thread many times that i wish nothing but success for the LSV and that im still very interested in getting one, but not when im being lied to and put down.

and as ive stated in this thread before, of which you didnt answer, ive contacted you guys numerous times through your sites and have recieved 0 responses. sometimes "The importance of reading all posts cannot be understated."

I will restate a previous post in this thread.

We are very upfront about where are products are made. The SSV is produced in Colorado, from foreign and domestic parts. The DBV and LSV are partially assembled in China. (We are extremely connected with the factory there and we do pay more than the average wage. We take pride that we are enabling opportunity for people on a global basis) The DBV and LSV go through final assembly, testing, and quality assurance in Colorado. We are a Colorado company, and at the end of the day, we are the ones that stand behind the product.

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Stinky, we are deceiving no one. This is also stated on our websites. I can provide you links if you need them. The story has never changed, and never will. I don't know where you are getting your information from, but it definitely isn't us. I'm sorry I can't explain all the issues/logistics/production scenarios that you are not factoring in, but I think everyone else here gets it by now. You seem really against us, really angry at us. If there is anything I can do to resolve this, please email me personally.