Life Saber (LSV) by Elev8 Vehicles

Lots of ways to get something done. I dont see it reasonable in looking negatively that the LSV may not have new technology or design in it. So freaking what.

New designs are untested and actual mid to long term durability is typically unknown. Case in point. Look at the early VHW's and the issues with that. Just look at how many recalls happen in all types of products with new technology reasons.

Just because something is new does not equate to it being proven or better. For the most part manufactures are going to set a price for which they can sell it effectively and at an optimum profit. Not just a bit over cost. The market is the deciding factor on price after costs no matter how much one may like or dislike it. If its truly overpriced, it will come down.

Just because at times our personal pocketbooks are not so big as to allow for such purchases is not reason to hate on it. I am definitely interested in the LSV.

I am unsure on the made in America line but here is a nugget. http://www.ftc.gov/os/1997/12/epsmadeusa.htm http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/usajump.shtm So however the reality of their manufacturing situation fits into that is the answer.

One thing that attracted me to 7th floor was that it was made in Colorado, well kinda hehe. I believe the issue is one that the company evolved into using Chinese manufactured parts and it should be understood China is where more and more things are only manufactured or only manufactured where they will cater to you easily. For some industries it is a necessary logistic. I am not sure I agree with view points that 7th floor is misleading in its terminology because I am unsure how they rate compared to enforcement rules. I tend to think they are in a grey area.

We explored many options on just this one singular aspect, which so many see to be held up by, and we chose the option that provided the best quality for the best price. Do you know what happens when you have a machine do this? We do. The quality it produces is unacceptable.

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I do agree that there is a lot of argumentation on this single aspect. I don't see what's wrong with the answer that the quality is not up to their expectation when the holes are machined. It's not a detailed answer, but we all know that 7th floor products are of high quality, solid thick housing, thick glass, compare a 7th floor's elbow adapter with an Arizer's elbow adapter for exemple, 7th floor's one sure cost the double but it never breaks, Arizer's ones are thin and breaks all the time. The price and concept are valid arguments, but i don't see the point in repeating all the time that the holes must be made by machines and that Chris don't give any answer, when he said that it is for quality purpose. And if it gives jobs to a few more people then that's even better. I do agree that the price is a bit high, but i'll wait to see reviews first to make my mind about it, and we all know that there is stores that will sell it to a lower price.

Edit: Also about the price, the "special price" might be the regular price, the same as the price of the SSV being "reg. $399.99 ON SALE $269.99", but it is "on sale" 365 days per year. It's a bad practice IMO having a special price that is in fact the regular price, and it's illegal in my province to do so, but that might point to 350$ not being the price it will be after the official lunch of the product.

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finchrock24 said:

To me, this thread has just been people bitching and moaning about something they feel is too expensive, which is fine, but you don't need to bitch about it. Just...DONT BUY IT! Vote with your wallet.

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this thread isnt people just bitching. its people discussing a new product and the company who makes that products business practices.

and what do you do? you make a post complaining about people complaining...

^^^^this wasnt a complaint btw^^^^^

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From what I have read (which is the entire thread at this point), the main point of this thread is that the product is too expensive.)

What I was doing was trying to convey the idea to people that they are judging a product with out one single customer review.

Also, according to your words, we are discussing business practices in this thread which seems a little off topic, given this is the LSV thread, not the 7th floor vape business practice thread. I personally would rather this thread be solely related to a vapor product that I (or any other forum member) may have an interest in, not the bureaucracy of price point.

Like I said, if you like the product and can afford it...get it.

If you don't like it, then don't get. Its that simple....people don't really need to sit here and try to justify the cost of metal holes in the housing. That is 7th floors choice to produce their product they way they want. And it is YOUR choice to buy it! That is what makes a free market economy so much fun. Buying power.

I like the idea it seems like a rock solid, nearly all glass one hitter with a very nice all glass intake wand. I also like the fact that it can be used like a VHW over a water tool with the bong attachment. Plus it looks cool as hell. But, I'm used to full milky vrips using the heat gun method which I've mastered. I have not used Vriptechs heat wand as yet. I'm wondering if it's possible to get a good full pull using these wand type devices.

finchrock24 said:

If you don't like it, then don't get. Its that simple....people don't really need to sit here and try to justify the cost of metal holes in the housing. That is 7th floors choice to produce their product they way they want. And it is YOUR choice to buy it! That is what makes a free market economy so much fun. Buying power.

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and its our choice to come here to discuss these topics without someone telling us that we are bitching...

its that simple

Threads have a tendency to take on a life of their own and therefor, it's pure folly for any member here other than the mods, to try and exert THEIR idea of what should or should not be discussed, eh?

Finch, your idea of either buy the product or don't buy the product but quit bitching about it can be applied here as well, as in, read the thread or don't read the thread, but quit bitching about it.

This site is primarily comprised of obsessive vapor fanatics, so it should come as no surprise that a product, especially a new product, along with the company that makes it, is going to be picked apart, poked, prodded, raped and pillaged.

Ah............don't ya just love the smell of napalm first thing in the mornin'. Now where's my No2.

Considering i got my dbv for 132 bucks new, their is no way in hell i would pay 300 for this similar,simplified version of it.

2clicker said:

finchrock24 said:

If you don't like it, then don't get. Its that simple....people don't really need to sit here and try to justify the cost of metal holes in the housing. That is 7th floors choice to produce their product they way they want. And it is YOUR choice to buy it! That is what makes a free market economy so much fun. Buying power.

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and its our choice to come here to discuss these topics without someone telling us that we are bitching...

its that simple

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And in my post I said thats completely acceptable. But I personally just don't want to read the thread to find info on a vape to find 40 people complain about price.

But it seems I have been run of this thread...so no more I shall say. I was just trying to make a point about all the price talk since their isn't even a review of the vape from a user. Iunno, I just think its unfair to say something isn't worth it before it is even tried out...

just my . going away now!

lwien said:

Finch, your idea of either buy the product or don't buy the product but quit bitching about it can be applied here as well, as in, read the thread or don't read the thread, but quit bitching about it.

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Clearly my posts were taken a bit to personal...as I said in my first post , I said its fine if you want to bitch about the price, (who the fuck am I to take away the first amendment?) but the thread was turning in a +1 thread with repeating comments on price with a kind of childish back and fourth between Chris (which I have a lot of respect for coming into this bee's nest...a lot of reps just wouldn't reply back so kudos to you Chris) and members. I understand consumers want to know about the products and thats fine, but just hounding a company about price doesn't seem fair.

Maybe it IS worth $300. I'll wait till a review is out to make that judgment call, but clearly for a lot of people in this thread that isn't the case. That's really the only point I was trying to illustrate. If this vape was out, had reviews, and was put through the paces only to be found out to be an inferior product, then let the bitching and flaming begin!

^Get the glass imtake wand and attach it to the dbv, but that still leaves you without the ability to attach it to you bong. Plastic whips are wack as most of us know but have to put up with sometimes. If you already have a silver surfer or dbv, I can certainly understand the redundancy aspect.


It's a tough call. This for $300 or the VHW for $170 as far as wand type devices go. The best way to use a VHW may be to hang it upside down on a v shaped stand. That what you could hit and release the wand without having to find and insert into the holding cup where it will get knocked over. Still I wonder of the glass will fail due to thermal breakdown on the VHW. Where as the LSV has easy and relatively inexpensive glass replacement should that need occur.

finchrock24 said:

2clicker said:

finchrock24 said:

If you don't like it, then don't get. Its that simple....people don't really need to sit here and try to justify the cost of metal holes in the housing. That is 7th floors choice to produce their product they way they want. And it is YOUR choice to buy it! That is what makes a free market economy so much fun. Buying power.

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and its our choice to come here to discuss these topics without someone telling us that we are bitching...

its that simple

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And in my post I said thats completely acceptable. But I personally just don't want to read the thread to find info on a vape to find 40 people complain about price.

But it seems I have been run of this thread...so no more I shall say. I was just trying to make a point about all the price talk since their isn't even a review of the vape from a user. Iunno, I just think its unfair to say something isn't worth it before it is even tried out...

just my . going away now!

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no need to go away

i didnt mean to come off negatively. but if youve used an SSV or a DBV then youve used the LSV. sure there are small difs, but they are essentially the same.

i think that if there are that many people on FC bringing up the price issue then there is def a price issue. i have found most on here to be very reasonable and would be honest about if they think something is worth it or not.

i see what you mean about having to sort through the thread to find review info specifically, but isnt that the nature of a forum in general?

2clicker said:

i see what you mean about having to sort through the thread to find review info specifically, but isnt that the nature of a forum in general?

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Yes and no...it depends on the forum/mods really. Their were some forums that instantly locked threads for going off topic or even repeat topics (yes, it honestly seemed like these mods did not sleep). But, as lwien so intelligently pointed out I am not a mod...so I'm not going to comment anymore on my opinion of how this board should be done!

vapormonkey said:

It's a tough call. This for $300 or the VHW for $170 as far as wand type devices go. The best way to use a VHW may be to hang it upside down on a v shaped stand. That what you could hit and release the wand without having to find and insert into the holding cup where it will get knocked over. Still I wonder of the glass will fail due to thermal breakdown on the VHW. Where as the LSV has easy and relatively inexpensive glass replacement should that need occur.

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Keep in mind you would still have to purchase a bowl for the VHW and a waterpipe of some sort, where as the LSV is ready right out of the box for direct draw but you will need a waterpipe to use the wand option.

With that said I have been a strong opponent to the VHW in the past because a freind of mine had problems and I did not like the idea that they used a soldering iron as the handle, just seemed cheap to me. But Vriptech came through and replaced his product and it is holding up so far and he is happy and even though I still don't like the soldering iron handle, we really don't have any better option.

The LSV & VHW will both work to light a bowl for combustion but if I were planning on using this as a wand vaporizer, the best option is the VHW because even though they use a soldering iron has a heat source, it uses digital temperature control versus the LSV's dimmer. Also the Glass Cover on the VHW is a much thicker, complicated, and overall higher quality this in turn will surely lead to thicker vapor hits because of superior heat retention.

The glass will not degrade on either model you choose, just so long as you don't drop them, the glass covers can technically last forever, that is the beauty of glass.

finchrock24 said:

Yes and no...it depends on the forum/mods really. Their were some forums that instantly locked threads for going off topic or even repeat topics (yes, it honestly seemed like these mods did not sleep). But, as lwien so intelligently pointed out I am not a mod...so I'm not going to comment anymore on my opinion of how this board should be done!

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That is part of what makes this board so special is that the Moderators are actually good at what they do and don't just shut threads down or erase posts for no reason like some boards. In my opinion price is a major issue for new products and I will point out that the price of the LSV was like $329 when it came out and shortly after the this thread started it lowered to $299, I don't know for a fact that it was us that changed it but I would like to think so.

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Maybe it IS worth $300. I'll wait till a review is out to make that judgment call, but clearly for a lot of people in this thread that isn't the case. That's really the only point I was trying to illustrate. If this vape was out, had reviews, and was put through the paces only to be found out to be an inferior product, then let the bitching and flaming begin!

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Yeah, but that just wouldn't be the FC way. We're just a wee bit ahead of the curve........so to speak.

stinkmeaner said:

That is part of what makes this board so special is that the Moderators are actually good at what they do and don't just shut threads down or erase posts for no reason like some boards. In my opinion price is a major issue for new products and I will point out that the price of the LSV was like $329 when it came out and shortly after the this thread started it lowered to $299, I don't know for a fact that it was us that changed it but I would like to think so.

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HAVE to agree with you there. It was frustrating to see your thread closed/deleted/warned for no apparent reason. Kinda a Nazi feeling at some of them....Ugh...

Yeah, that may or may not be true....we probably won't know but I KNOW that vape companies come to this board to get REAL vaporists thoughts, wants, and needs so they probably take our posts with the most worth and value. Simply put, FC knows their shit as a collective whole and is basically the authority in the user/hands on experiences of the vape community.

EDIT: The Q has got me skipping proof reading again.

lwien said:

Yeah, but that just wouldn't be the FC way. We're just a wee bit ahead of the curve........so to speak.

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Not sure if you missed the news, but MJ DOES NOT improve psychic ability. Would be cool if it did though...I'd be SUPER psychic.

stinkmeaner said:

In my opinion price is a major issue for new products

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agreed

every bit as important as how the product performs.

we just wanna know why this puppy costs what it does and we havent seen any justification for that yet. i believe we, as a vape community and many avid 7th Floor fans, have the right to know. they have told us why they have priced it so high and most do not agree.

looks like a very nice little vape that will work incredibly, but there is absolutely no reason why this vape should cost more than $200 except for the fact that its new...

This pricing debate has gotten to ridiculous lengths.

aesthyrian said:

This pricing debate has gotten to ridiculous lengths.

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You think THIS has got to ridiculous lengths? Hell, look at the PD thread, the grinder thread, the MFLB thread. Ridiculous lengths are what we're all about.

Pricing will vary with time. Logically, a thread on pricing should be expected to last forever.

lwien said:

Ridiculous lengths are what we're all about.

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7th floor does not overprice their items from what I can see. I've never used them, but common sense and experience tells me these are well built items designed to last. All the LSV needs is the cool glass heater cover from the Vriptech heat wand under that protective aluminum cylinder! NOW were talking. Any way to get these two to hook up? We need Vriptech quality vapor with 7th floors killer element and build quality.

"We can rebuild it...we can make it better than before" -The Six Million Dollar Man

Do we know yet how much MJ the transfer wand holds? I really do like the concept. I never bought a DBV or an SSV because I'm just too stingy on the efficiency front, I very, very rarely vape with more than one other person, and the darn things are just too big to be pulled out and re-stashed very quickly. If the bowl is small enough, then this could maybe be a real competitor for the log vapes. Considered that way, if someone was deciding between the LSV and the PD, the PD is $200 and the LSV has a glass & ceramic airpath, a GONG waterpipe adapter, variable temp, and short warm-up time.

I'm intrigued, but I would like to see a few reviews. I'm hoping I won't have to wait long. This is supposed to start shipping on Wednesday.

Ash said:

the PD is $200

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180 actually.

Just an observation about what 7th Floor is doing with such a similar design. I think they might gain new customers with the design for the type of people who are attracted to pleasing shapes and of course the drilled holes, but I don't think they are going to lure any great number of existing customers to want to buy the LSV in addition to a SSV or DBV if they already own one, sure you can direct draw but you are most likley able to put the LSV heater cover on the SSV & DBV, then you could use the LSV attachments with other 7th Floor products.

I heard they were coming up with a portable, didn't they say 2 new models this year?

lwien said:

aesthyrian said:

This pricing debate has gotten to ridiculous lengths.

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You think THIS has got to ridiculous lengths? Hell, look at the PD thread, the grinder thread, the MFLB thread. Ridiculous lengths are what we're all about.

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Ha, the grinder thread. Who would have guessed that it would get so long.

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Ash said:

the PD is $200

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180 actually.

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Is Vapenow discounting PD's? They never used to.

BTW, lwien, since we're bantering, do you agree there might be a significant overlap between the usage patterns suited to the LSV and the PD? Seems like maybe one of degrees, where the LSV owner would be a slightly heavier user and maybe more of a glass-lover.

Of course, I'm making the assumption here that the VHW has a fairly small bowl.

Discounting? The PD is 180 list. No discount.

Haven't read thru this thread Ash, so I can't make a comparison yet.