Are cannabis smokers not aware of vaporizing?

Beezleb said:

It is out right wrong to say to people that you will save using a vaporizer. For some this true and for some it is not.

I suggest if your looking at vaporizing look at those who consume at similar intervals as you do and see what their usage is. While I can get more distance it is typical consumed as in a longer session.

I go through similar amounts as did when smoking and this is also pretty much in my experience with those I introduce vaporizing too. Now as pointed out their are other ways to look at efficiency in vaporizing such as reusing your abv and depending on your vaporizer you may have the delicacy of wand hash.

Dont get caught up in the capabilities of a tool. It depends on the user and if your habits are little use than it will likely remain that way but if your using a lot it will likely continue.

Thats my view on the issue.

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I agree. When I first started vaping with the Supreme Vaporizer, an eighth, which normally lasted about a week, now lasted 3 weeks. That was great, while it lasted. I don't remember how long it took but eventually I was back to an eighth a week. But at that point I was vaping more often during the day. Vaping when I didn't really need to, I loved the taste and the ritual of vaping. It was the same when I smoked. I would be high, but smoke more anyway because I love joints, and if it was tasty herb....

Recently, I made it up to a quarter a week. I knew I was wasting because I was just going through the motions. I read a thread about lowering tolerance (filling cups) and began trying that. I wasn't totally consistent but I did start paying more attention to my high. When I got that urge to vape I had to gauge if I really needed to be higher.

I'm not sure what happened, I had gotten back to an eight a week, but then I ran out of herbs and was a bit short on herb money so I had to go into my rainy day stash.

Goodbye Willie Nelson, Northern Lights, and Jack Herer. Goodbye all of that kief that was saved (lots). This took a few weeks.

I finally got another eight before the last bit of kief was gone. I load one stem of my Zap (more like half a stem). I load another stem, vape it, and a little later I am way too high. Not freaking out high but damn near too high to function.

I'm still on that same eighth and it has been 8 days since I bought it. I'm vaping maybe three or four stems a day, but those are no where near full stems so it is more like one or two stems. Yesterday I only vaped one half stem.

And I always wondered how Lwien did it..

Beezleb said:

It is out right wrong to say to people that you will save using a vaporizer. For some this true and for some it is not.

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I think a more correct statement would be that for the vast majority, most WILL realize a savings by consuming less bud when they vape. "Some" however, will not.

You and I have gone 'round and 'round on this Beez and I believe I ran a pole awhile back and the results of that poll clearly indicated that MOST people do realize a savings when using a vape, and most by a pretty significant margin. So while I agree that it is out right wrong to state that everyone will realize a savings, it is a safe bet to say that most will.

I think that is wrong. We simply do not have proper data to say such things and while I agree that appearance of vocal people tend to lend more weight to obtaining a savings I also believe we should hold ourselves to the type of standards we hold towards vendors, most opinions and products.

Just because it makes the idea of vaporizing more favorable to say that I do not feel it warrants the risk of those who do not experience that savings and being vocal about it. Iwien you know my feelings on this as this forum has much back and forth with my views and others on this forum on this subject. I stand by my view point it is incorrect to tell people to expect a savings due to vaporizing. It is only a capability from a tool to most artistic to at best it is an appliance not a magical machine that changes ones habits. I suggest refraining from predicting the outcomes of others. I also see it as belittling those who do not find the savings as being unimportant. These reasons should understood so people can relate. Iwien, out of anyone I would think you would be most embracing of understanding this issue as to assist people help decide what may be realistic as in the view to help them.

I will say again. If you are looking at vaping and do not have experience. Look for people who use similarly to you and judge by that and it will be a better measuring stick in my opinion than blindly believing because you have a vape it automatically saves you money. Fucking ridiculous in my opinion but to each their own.

Off to watch some Steelers Football. I worry for our QB and think he will be covered in lots of Baltimore footprints hehe.

Happy vaping all and understand. Many do enjoy savings from vaping but many also do not. By looking at vapist who use similarly to you you can get a better perspective of your potential vaping experience.

Beezleb said:

I also see it as belittling those who do not find the savings as being unimportant. These reasons should understood so people can relate. Iwien, out of anyone I would think you would be most embracing of understanding this issue as to assist people help decide what may be realistic as in the view to help them.

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Belittling and unimportant? Not quite sure where that came from. No belittling going on here at all. Just because those that do not realize a savings are in the minority does not mean that they are being belittled.

And yes, I DO want to assist people in making the right decision, and that's why I will reiterate that MOST people will realize a savings and that if you get a vape, the odds are in your favor that will also.

No I say belittling because you show to action to even discuss these types of vapist in a way as to better understand it. It is more accurately towards what can be said is a perceiving of your actions and behavior towards the subject and being someone who has discussed this issue with you at length in the past I feel I have merit to my view point but dont get caught up in that.

You cannot say "most people" as a realistic understood fact. This board is not scientific hence my other statements about holding ourselves to similar standards high standards of those we tend to judge. Dont get me wrong. I would love to say vaping will say you herb but the reality is I disagree and I disagree with merit and that merit applies to others and not by an insignificant manner either.

It is hype in my belief based in part on stereotypical viewpoints that do lean towards savings. It is nothing more and nothing less I am afraid.

Beezleb said:

It is hype in my belief based in part on stereotypical viewpoints that do lean towards savings. It is nothing more and nothing less I am afraid.

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Hype? Let me ask you a question. If we ran another poll, and the results of that poll stated that out of 100 people that responded, only 15% stated that they did not realize a savings, would you still say that the 85% who stated that they did realize a savings is nothing but hype based upon stereotypical viewpoints? Why is it such a stretch to believe that rather than hype based upon stereotypical viewpoints, they are in fact, accurate descriptions of peoples personal experiences?

reece said:

I finally got another eight before the last bit of kief was gone. I load one stem of my Zap (more like half a stem). I load another stem, vape it, and a little later I am way too high. Not freaking out high but damn near too high to function.

I'm still on that same eighth and it has been 8 days since I bought it. I'm vaping maybe three or four stems a day, but those are no where near full stems so it is more like one or two stems. Yesterday I only vaped one half stem.

And I always wondered how Lwien did it..

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Yup. My usage was more than cut in half when I went from a Buddha or a VG to a PD.

I know it may seem hard to believe to those that have not used this type of vape and I totally understand the disbelief. I still have a hard time comprehending how I can get so blasted on so little bud when it took sooooo much more with my other vapes or when I used to smoke.

Beezleb said:

We simply do not have proper data to say such things...

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I'm not sure what you will accept as proper data. I've read the entire MFLB thread and I am comfortable saying that of those who have expressed an opinion on the subject, the overwhelming majority say they've experienced efficiency increases. I've read both Extreme threads completely as well, and it is the same there. I haven't read the complete PD thread but I've seen numerous posts commenting that the PD is far more efficient than combusting.

Admittedly, that isn't a scientific study but it strains credulity to believe that the majority of posters in these threads aren't representative. You'd have to argue that only satisfied users who experience efficiency gains are posting. Why aren't those who don't have any gains posting too? Well, in fact there are posts like that, yours being one, but there are far too few for me to accept that it is questionable to say that most users get better efficiency from a vaporizer.

I have no idea what you and lwien have presented as arguments, so possibly this has been said before somewhere else. I'd be happy to review any counter-arguments you have posted and want to link, but I don't accept that the data doesn't exist to say such things.

Without getting in the middle it is my observation that Iwien is a special exception. I have no reason to doubt it but he's the only person I know of who claims he gets 120 hits off a gram.
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=82733#p82733

I can only add my experiences here.

Zap = conserve city. Killer buds mostly
VG/SV = This is where I REALLY see my stash dwindle.

I measure by how long a grinder full lasts. If I use my zap exclusively with the grinder, It can last me a week on average. Equate the VG or SV and you are looking at 4-5 sessions max.

I'll jump in here to say I get absolutely crazy efficiency out of my PD. My backup is a Vaporstar (for when the PD is cold and I can't wait 40 minutes) and I can't believe how much more it takes to get me there with that vape. It is difficult to explain why, but it's a fact nonetheless. Log vapes just extract everything, they allow you to measure the dosage more precisely than you can with any other vape (without using a scale), and because they hold so little, they force you to stop and think about loading that next bowl more often. And, one more point about smoking vs vaping is that when you're smoking and you stop taking a hit the herb continues to burn. That is obviously not the case with vaping.

Back to the original topic, I think there are a lot of people who have a major investment in the status quo, from the smoker with a small glass collection to the headshops that sell all the glass to the blowers and the magazines and websites, etc. And then you have the fact that the dominant media images of how to be cool while consuming your MJ are all about the smoke. I know, lot's of people enjoy vaping with glass, but the glass we use for vaping is mostly smaller (and therefore less expensive) than what we would use for smoking. But, if anyone want's to accuse me of talking out my ass on this, I couldn't really argue.

Wow, I'd love to get 120 hits from one gram of herb. I might have to experiment with kief when I get enough.


I used at least a couple grams a day, when I was combusting. My usage decreased to a gram a day with my Vapor Warez. Now that I am using my Launch Box exclusively, I am only using 2-3 grams a week now. I am still vaporizing throughout the day to medicate myself, I'm just using far less.

Pappy said:

Without getting in the middle it is my observation that Iwien is a special exception. I have no reason to doubt it but he's the only person I know of who claims he gets 120 hits off a gram.
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=82733#p82733

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There are many here Pappy, who use both the PD and the Zap that get 120 hits from one gram if not more. It's pretty typical that those that use this type of vape report getting about 4 hits per stem and being that each stem holds approx 0.025g, that actually equates to 160 hits off of one gram, so 120 hits from one gram is a pretty conservative number regarding the efficiency of both the PD and the Zap. Check out the youtube vids when you search Purple Days to see how many hits one can get from one stem.

So no, I don't believe that I am the exception among PD and Zap users. What I do believe though, is that PD and Zap users in general are the exception when it comes to conserving bud.

When I use the Buddha or the Ion or the VG or the Iolite, I end up using 2 and a half to 3 times as much to get to the same high.

When I use the Buddha or the Ion or the VG or the Iolite, I end up using 2 and a half to 3 times as much to get to the same high.

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And that's one of the biggest reasons I continue to resist purchasing another vape. It's like there's a usage tax on every other style vape.

Ash said:

When I use the Buddha or the Ion or the VG or the Iolite, I end up using 2 and a half to 3 times as much to get to the same high.

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And that's one of the biggest reasons I continue to resist purchasing another vape. It's like there's a usage tax on every other style vape.

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If efficiency is your major concern then ya, i dont see a reason to get a buddha or anything of the sort.

The thing is, people like to buy new toking tools, because it's fun. Whether it be a bong for a couple hundred or even a thousand dollars. Vapes are expensive for most, but for people who like to have variety or whatever, it's no different than having a glass collection.

My magicflight conserves brilliantly, and my weed always lasts longer then it did when i combusted. After becoming a vaporist though, i want more, i want to try/own other vapes of other styles.

My usage;

-Launch Box - 4-6 hits per trench, load approximately 0.16 g
-Eztreme .v3. - 24 hits per bowl, load approximately 0.2-0.3 g
-SSV - about 3 hits per wand, sometimes only 2 if it's lesser quality or if I have the temperature set too high. Load is approximately 0.2-0.3 g
-Iolite - Don't know, haven't used it in a while.

If I'm vaping to 'get high', I'd use the SSV. Efficiency seems to go way down. If I'm vamping for pain relief of arthritis, I'll use the Launch Box on the go, but at home I'd use the Extreme, and start off at 140C and work my way up to 190c over 2 hours.

Is vaping more efficient for me? Yeah, it can be. But I can also blow through more weed than I might use if I were smoking (tastes better, little or no irritation, etc).

Tom

Iwien, do you honestly think running a poll on this site is scientific? Do you not realize the number of people who view this site and do not comment is for a lengthy variety of reasoning. Due to that, it is absolutely impossible to run a scientific poll and at best you will get is a stereotypical response based on the population that feels safe to vote. The findings are not a matter of fact not within the scope of a majority of vaporist and from any educated point of view or an experienced point of view I can see not other result with merit. I will gladly take into consideration any merit you can illustrate to show other. I will be asking to hold the standards as we have held to manufacturers and retailers in the past.

I stand by holding ourselves to the same standards as we hold others. Do you not feel that is important? I do not disbelieve others claims of their usage, even yours which are extreme by some, yet time and time again when this issue comes up we are here. You, seem to have issue with the others. I say why? Why do should anyone think others should have the same result as you do? That is akin to saying why does not everyone think like me and holding it against them and that is my view. If you do not like show merit why it is invalid or stop acting that way is all I can say.

We should understand why some people benefit from improved efficiency instead of being combative about it. Their is no winner nor loser not anything. It is what it is but the question I propose is do you want to be a resource and explore the issue or continue in the manner of this and maintain this stupid back and forth.

Hell, this summer I had to explain to my 11 year old nephew and 10 year old grandson in the world rare are things cut and dry and definitive. This is one of those things.

I agree 100% with pakalolo above. The evidence for efficiency might be anecdotal, but in the aggregate it is overwhelming. It's simply not credible to say that efficiency is a coin toss when one of the most popular website for vaporizing shows that kind of imbalance.

You know with all of the arguments we get into around here we should get one of those plugins that allows you to thumbs up or down a post.

Beezleb said:

I do not disbelieve others claims of their usage, even yours which are extreme by some

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When you compare my usages to others who use PD's and Zaps, it is not extreme at all.

Beezleb said:

You, seem to have issue with the others. I say why? Why do should anyone think others should have the same result as you do?

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Huh? Where in the hell did I say that I think that others should have the same result as I? I never even implied that.

What I did say is that MOST people who go from smoking to using a vape, realize a savings in their bud purchases. How can you extrapolate from that, that I think everyone should have the same result as I in regards to my usage?

Oh please, how can you even begin different the quality in vapor from user to user. One person can be vaping a Mid type strain and another an A++ plus strain. How can you possibly illustrate the difference by an up and down voting system.

I am pro vapor but I am not unrealistic.

Iwien, show where you in your statements you are inferring to only zaps and pd.

To answer your question, if you do not like what your words indicate or potentially indicate then I do know what to say to you. You consistently and aggressively push the point that vaping saves herb for people when in reality that is a lie. It "can" and that is the fact. Your results are no better or more important than those who do not find that end.

I just dont get why your so passionate about the lie but with that said I believe that you achieve what you do but you should also appreciate when others tell you differently from your experience.

Pappy said:

Without getting in the middle it is my observation that Iwien is a special exception. I have no reason to doubt it but he's the only person I know of who claims he gets 120 hits off a gram.
http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?pid=82733#p82733

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Absolutely I agree, but I don't claim his usage to be typical and as far as I know, neither does he.** I've never calculated how many hits I get per gram. Curses!

*goes out, buys digital scale *

You batsrad, you made me do it.

Okay a trench is about .2 g according to this. A typical jay for me was about .6-.7 g, and smoking that amount would get me stoned twice or me and my wife once. In the LB, one trench keeps me happy all day, whereas that used to require two joints or 1.2 g or so.* That's 6x efficiency. In the Extreme, which I share with the wife in the evenings, a bowl of about .3 g is good for two nights, or four stones to put it another way. In the bad old combustion days that would have been two joints, so that's about 4x efficiency.

*When I was using joints I seldom did two in a day. I was working for one thing, and I never worked stoned. Since I am now semi-retired, I can relax more and the MFLB is so easy to hit that I do stay stoned more, yet it's now been more than twice my normal time between visits to my supplier, and I still have about 15 g left from my last purchase.

I'm not claiming I'm typical either, but I don't think my experience is that far from average.

ETA ** Maybe lwien doesn't claim he's typical but he does say below that others get the same results. That'll teach me not to start a reply, stop long enough to go out and buy a digital scale, and then post without checking what's been happening in the meantime.

Beezleb said:

You consistently and aggressively push the point that vaping saves herb for people when in reality that is a lie. It "can" and that is the fact. Your results are no better or more important than those who do not find that end.

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You apparently, are not reading my posts in this thread.

"I think a more correct statement would be that for the vast majority, most WILL realize a savings by consuming less bud when they vape. "Some" however, will not."
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"...that's why I will reiterate that MOST people will realize a savings and that if you get a vape, the odds are in your favor that you will also."
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The point that I am pushing is that vaping will save herb for MOST people, and that is not a lie. Now I can run a poll at every major cannabis site on the net to prove my point, but obviously, you feel that any poll is totally inaccurate, regardless of the overwhelming outcome in favor of those that experience a savings when they went from smoking to vaping.

Keep in mind, it was progression to get you to those statement. You and I have had much discussion. I can illustrate your views otherwise from past discussions.

Still, do you not believe we should hold ourselves to the standards we hold to others? Scientifically you will not win this.

I will meet you and say yes some "May" experience a reduction in product use but I also say your perspective is small and limited and I illustrate your retraction by attempt to make it see as if you were speaking about PD and Zap users of vaporizers. While in your mind I am willing to extend the error to you but this is not fancy fun time where we get to say potentially misleading things with out clarification just as we do with vendors and manufactures. You nor I are any better and if we act that way then our forum will suffer.

By my own account I declare 20% to 30% conservation which is great! What I like about the DBV and EQV is both produce numerous consistent thick milky hits without changing loads. I can guarantee my MFLB delivers nowhere near the quality of hit I get from the Q or DB and having read thru the log vape forums my conclusion is you're comparing two different kinds of vapes and two differing quality of rips.

Pappy said:

By my own account I declare 20% to 30% conservation which is great!

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That is great, Pappy. In these economic times, if we can realize a savings without having to sacrifice anything, it is a major plus, the way I see it.