"Addicted" because you vape every day?
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C No Ego
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cannabis is a supplement... when you stop supplementing metabolism goes away
ClearBlueLou
unbearably light in the being....
Spot-ON, oh noble Kitty Blackness...
Perhaps choose your weed strain / grower more carefully?
(...thank you, Modster...I noticed too late....)
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rozroz
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for me it's being more creative and less judgmental when i create
C No Ego
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oxidative stress... cellular oxidation... the continuing effort to stave off oxidative damages in our cells... read patent # 6630507 to learn more
"the high" is an increase in intracellular ions... ions are to reduce the oxidative damages by modulating cannabinoid signalling and metabolism
EverythingsHazy
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I think that a decent way to help differentiate between medicinal use and recreational use, is to ask yourself if you would still use it, even if it didn't get you high at all. Is that a perfect method? No. Does it help clear things up in the less foggy areas of the usage spectrum? Yes.
Someone who uses Cannabis for seizures will likely continue to use it, even if they didn't feel buzzed. They use it as seizure medication. The motivation for this use is strictly medicinal.
Someone who uses Cannabis to be more creative while working on some form of art, is more likely to stop using it, if the buzz aspect is removed. The motivation for this usage seems more recreational.
Now, that's not to say that people shouldn't be able to use it however they want (on private property). It's just to help differentiate, because it seems like the fact that it has medical benefits makes so many people think they are using it for those reasons, when in reality, they just like the high.
A lot of things have medical benefits, but that doesn't mean they can't be used, strictly for recreational purposes (ie. opiates), like some peope here have claimed ("all use is medicinal use"). i'd hardly consider someone who takes Percocet to get stoned, to be using it medicinally.
Someone who uses Cannabis for seizures will likely continue to use it, even if they didn't feel buzzed. They use it as seizure medication. The motivation for this use is strictly medicinal.
Someone who uses Cannabis to be more creative while working on some form of art, is more likely to stop using it, if the buzz aspect is removed. The motivation for this usage seems more recreational.
Now, that's not to say that people shouldn't be able to use it however they want (on private property). It's just to help differentiate, because it seems like the fact that it has medical benefits makes so many people think they are using it for those reasons, when in reality, they just like the high.
A lot of things have medical benefits, but that doesn't mean they can't be used, strictly for recreational purposes (ie. opiates), like some peope here have claimed ("all use is medicinal use"). i'd hardly consider someone who takes Percocet to get stoned, to be using it medicinally.
Do your other medications get you buzzed? If not, that's a reason to treat them differently.
Do you consider that a medical reason? IF so, what is your reasoning behind that classification?
rozroz
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no i wouldn't call it medical. unless being depressed, judgmental and cynical is a medical problem
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
I'd still use it for medical reasons if I didn't get buzzed. I have 37 medicine allergies. Clearly I am willing to try and get help with my medical conditions. I know no one, except one family member, cared about any of the severe problems associated with those medications, or any that I tried that had such severe side effects that I couldn't continue using them. Those are medications beyond that I wasn't allergic to, but couldn't tolerate. My doctor prescribes epipen up to 10 at a time ( though one time he accidentally wrote for a 100, and when I went to pick my Rx up, there were bagsful - I did decline the overage). When a medication has a side effect considered pleasurable by some, everyone suddenly gets concerned about what I'm taking. Isn't that interesting? So much brainwashing about the Evils of Weed has sunk into people's brains.
If you haven't taken me to the ER, sat with me while I was in the hospital, helped me with meals and laundry etc. when I required full time, round the clock care, or helped care for my two Service Dogs when I am unable to walk, talk or care for myself, then I don't think you have earned a right to an opinion. Then it's just being mean and judgemental for it's own sake. If it bothers someone that I get high, medically or recreationally, then they have a problem they need to look at.
If you haven't taken me to the ER, sat with me while I was in the hospital, helped me with meals and laundry etc. when I required full time, round the clock care, or helped care for my two Service Dogs when I am unable to walk, talk or care for myself, then I don't think you have earned a right to an opinion. Then it's just being mean and judgemental for it's own sake. If it bothers someone that I get high, medically or recreationally, then they have a problem they need to look at.
Nina
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Yes and I have also had this thought, it's as if we have an underlying belief or an underlying rule that intoxication is inherently immoral?
I think an argument could be made that intoxication could be a therapeutic benefit of cannabis, it's a kind of pain relief but for mental or psychological pain rather than for physical pain.
On the subject of frequency of dosing with cannabis i.e. is it necessarily bad if you use it daily?
Well I don't think it's necessarily bad, if your usage is fairly stable or at least not escalating or getting out of control... provided you can keep it within certain limits maybe only do it at a certain time of day or only use a certain amount per day...
if some of those conditions are met I think it's perfectly possible for daily use to be safe and responsible use
I think this is another important area there is a zone that is medical and an adjoining zone which could be more properly classified as wellbeing or enhancement, methinks the boundary is fuzzy between these two zones...
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Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
Who sets the limits of what I should use? Who says what time of day? Should it be my physician who decides? Which one? The one who won't write a script because of clinic policy? Or the one I met via computer who only writes scripts? Why is rising dosage a bad thing? That's how many medications work, the dosage needs can increase, or need adjustments according to need. Am I not an adult? Do I not live in my body? Which of my other medications do people (other than my physician) get to have opinions about? Is it just the "fun" ones? Again, no one cared about my health, but people care that there are limits to my medicine that they think is appropriate according to their moral code. And make no mistake, it's a moral judgement. "It's not bad if," and that person decides how much they think is the right amount, and when it's ok. Do I not know if I'm in pain? Or should I suffer because it's the wrong time of day? Can I vape before a seizure? Or do I have to wait until after? It's as if a problem is expected. If "we" don't set limits, the citizens will run amuck and chaos will ensue. Someone might use more than they need. You can use, but....
Well, obviously there must be limits.
It's particularly interesting that even on a site that is about cannabis, and presumably all members use, we still think limits are so important for other people. Some of us know better than the person themself.
Why do I suspect that if even we knew, and it was proved, cannabis in unlimited amounts was not only safe, but helpful, people would still want to say it should be limited because it's fun? That part bothers people far more than any medical crisis I've ever had bothers them. It might be enjoyable. Not " necessarily bad" sums it up. It might be alright, in certain circumstances. Suffering might be unlimited, but relief and especially pleasure must be rationed.
When we look at other people, and say when and how much they should use, and that maybe "some people"shouldn't use at all, we are doing what every person who has judged our usage negatively has done.
I'm sorry I hit reply on this one. Not because I regret responding, more because this isn't directed at you @Nina. You are a lovely person, and I always enjoy seeing what you say.
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Microdosing might be the answer for me. There’s a fine line between rec and medical. At this point I don’t care. I’d rather use my concentrates than perc or oxy. The constipaton causes me to have PTSD related panic attacks. They’re horrible. I’ve had serious (surgery)lieus related issues. Just thinking about it sets me off.
Nina
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EverythingsHazy
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Well, judgemental and cynical are more personality traits than medical problemsno i wouldn't call it medical. unless being depressed, judgmental and cynical is a medical problem
, but depression is more on the medical side, for sure.The reason I would say that "[Cannabis is] not necessarily bad" is because it acknowledges that Cannabis isn't perfect, nor is it beneficial for everyone. A lot of people like to pretend that any and all Cannabis use is guaranteed to have no negative effects on anyone, and that's not a good thing, because it can lead to reckless behavior. People should definitely exercise caution and moderation in their use of anything.Who sets the limits of what I should use? Who says what time of day? Should it be my physician who decides? Which one? The one who won't write a script because of clinic policy? Or the one I met via computer who only writes scripts? Why is rising dosage a bad thing? That's how many medications work, the dosage needs can increase, or need adjustments according to need. Am I not an adult? Do I not live in my body? Which of my other medications do people (other than my physician) get to have opinions about? Is it just the "fun" ones? Again, no one cared about my health, but people care that there are limits to my medicine that they think is appropriate according to their moral code. And make no mistake, it's a moral judgement. "It's not bad if," and that person decides how much they think is the right amount, and when it's ok. Do I not know if I'm in pain? Or should I suffer because it's the wrong time of day? Can I vape before a seizure? Or do I have to wait until after? It's as if a problem is expected. If "we" don't set limits, the citizens will run amuck and chaos will ensue. Someone might use more than they need. You can use, but....
Well, obviously there must be limits.
It's particularly interesting that even on a site that is about cannabis, and presumably all members use, we still think limits are so important for other people. Some of us know better than the person themself.
Why do I suspect that if even we knew, and it was proved, cannabis in unlimited amounts was not only safe, but helpful, people would still want to say it should be limited because it's fun? That part bothers people far more than any medical crisis I've ever had bothers them. It might be enjoyable. Not " necessarily bad" sums it up. It might be alright, in certain circumstances. Suffering might be unlimited, but relief and especially pleasure must be rationed.
When we look at other people, and say when and how much they should use, and that maybe "some people"shouldn't use at all, we are doing what every person who has judged our usage negatively has done.
I'm sorry I hit reply on this one. Not because I regret responding, more because this isn't directed at you @Nina. You are a lovely person, and I always enjoy seeing what you say.
That said, even if one's usage is negatively impacting their life, I wouldn't automatically deem them a "bad person". I might advise them to reevaluate their relationship with Cannabis, though.
That's the difference between "it's not inherently bad" and "it's always fine". The former leaves room for objective reasoning, while the latter takes everything that is uncomfortable to confront, and sweeps it under the rug.
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
Absolutely. My concern is more with people who don't know there is a problem, assuming there is, or will be one for other people, and that they know how much, what time of day, etc. is appropriate for other's use. Each person obviously needs to know what does and doesn't work in their life in many areas. I just don't feel the need to decide about someone else and how much they need, or someone else deciding how much I need.Well, judgemental and cynical are more personality traits than medical problems
The reason I would say that "[Cannabis is] not necessarily bad" is because it acknowledges that Cannabis isn't perfect, nor is it beneficial for everyone. A lot of people like to pretend that any and all Cannabis use is guaranteed to have no negative effects on anyone, and that's not a good thing, because it can lead to reckless behavior. People should definitely exercise caution and moderation in their use of anything.
That said, even if one's usage is negatively impacting their life, I wouldn't automatically deem them a "bad person". I might advise them to reevaluate their relationship with Cannabis, though.
That's the difference between "it's not inherently bad" and "it's always fine". The former leaves room for objective reasoning, while the latter takes everything that is uncomfortable to confront, and sweeps it under the rug.
leveltree
never wanted to beat that one ;)
I have much understanding for the defensive nature of some of the posts here, it's a normal thing when general society has presumptions about something you like. It's similar in gaming for example.
And although there is much good thought in the last posts I think one aspect is constantly overlooked: constant use (especially of mind-altering substances) leads to (semi-)permanent changes in ones mind.
And the reason people are sceptical about defending words is that one of the changes can be a no longer objective relationship to the substance. And it's interesting that addiction is not such a prominent word in the replies here, because it's real and it is often a problem.
So (in my opinion) there are definitely some arguments to purposely abstain from some things from time to time.
It's not easy to get out of addiction alone alone because addiction changes your thoughts. It's a neurological mechanism which creates strong physical and mental cravings.
Everyone should be allowed to find their way with or without drugs etc.
But people should be aware of potential downsides.
And even without addiction, mental change can happen (also positive), but don't use it blindly without checking yourself.
And I think there are many people here who benefit more from daily use than the downsides would harm but thats not true for everyone.
Peaceout
And although there is much good thought in the last posts I think one aspect is constantly overlooked: constant use (especially of mind-altering substances) leads to (semi-)permanent changes in ones mind.
And the reason people are sceptical about defending words is that one of the changes can be a no longer objective relationship to the substance. And it's interesting that addiction is not such a prominent word in the replies here, because it's real and it is often a problem.
So (in my opinion) there are definitely some arguments to purposely abstain from some things from time to time.
It's not easy to get out of addiction alone alone because addiction changes your thoughts. It's a neurological mechanism which creates strong physical and mental cravings.
Everyone should be allowed to find their way with or without drugs etc.
But people should be aware of potential downsides.
And even without addiction, mental change can happen (also positive), but don't use it blindly without checking yourself.
And I think there are many people here who benefit more from daily use than the downsides would harm but thats not true for everyone.
Peaceout
CarolKing
Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
We are all grown ups here and should be able to make decisions for ourselves. Always keep an open mind. I personally keep my cannabis use to myself at work because it’s nobodys business. I find even in a legal state people are really judgmental.
I used to worry that someone would see my car in front of a cannabis store. Now I don’t care. I will deal with it. If someone ever says anything, I will say it’s my business not yours.
I used to worry that someone would see my car in front of a cannabis store. Now I don’t care. I will deal with it. If someone ever says anything, I will say it’s my business not yours.
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arb
Semi shaved ape
Hey man nice to see you!
Another generation or so and cannabis use will be considered the conservative alternative to liquor?
leveltree
never wanted to beat that one ;)
That usually means the short term change, but it's also changing alot of your "normal" mind which is not under direct influence. That's what I was talking about
No one is perfect. Just because someone grew up with the knowledge that this certain thing is bad doesn't mean they are generally bad or unimportant to you. It can also be someone you're just dependent on. Things are never that easy (sadly).