Child birth is gross and I think very ugly
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Abysmal Vapor
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Agreed. I also think it is not a bad idea if it happens less in this and the centuries to follow.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
And it's because that's also how a baby clears and conditions their new lungs
I was there holding my wife's hand when my three daughters were born. All delivered Cesarean. My job was to provide comfort to my wife who was completely awake and aware and I took that job seriously. There's a lot that goes on and I was warned not to look directly at what the doctor was doing if I had an aversion to blood and such. I didn't look directly for long but I did look. They move a lot of stuff around in there and there was plenty of blood, amniotic fluid and steam coming up from the opening as the room was cold. I have to admit that there was one point during the first birth where a nurse got me a chair because I had turned a little pale.
When my first grand-baby was born my daughter asked me to be there but said she would understand if I was too uncomfortable. I was there for the birth along with the rest of the family. It was a natural birth. I positioned myself near my daughter's shoulder so I would be able to see most of the birth without looking directly at the angry bits. It was miraculous and I came away with a more profound appreciation for how strong women are. The thing that surprised me was how long it all takes and how stressful if felt at times. That old joke about "if men had to give birth there'd be way less babies being born" may have some merit"
In a couple weeks my second grand-baby will be born. My daughter asked again if I wanted to be there. I volunteered to watch my grandson instead. Everyone else will attend the birth. My daughter said she knew that I'd be playing that card.
It was a gift being able to be there for my wife and daughter and I'm glad I got to welcome my babies into the world but I'm fine watching my grandson this time.
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nosmoking
Just so Dab HAppy!
By the time we had our #4, she was pretty much matching McD's drive thru time per customer/order. Our first child was a longer labor and early in the morning. I think it was like 6-8 hours, however once she took the pitocin and the epidural that baby was on the move! I think 2-3 hours later we had our first born and a small pile of shit! The things you see and smell at this moment are similar to that of gutting a well fed animal IME. The last kid we had...she pushed 3 times and that girl shot out so fast the doctor almost missed the catch. Being there was great but honestly I somewhat envy the fools who get away with missing half the pregnancy, the birth and the time right after. Women go through some very big changes mentally and physically during this time and it led to a lot less patience and a lot more petulance. I stuck by like a champ though and I have been greatly rewarded with one beautiful and loving family!
We were smart enough to tie the knot finally after 4 children. I can gladly say we will not be going through the birthing experience again. Oh, you thought I meant the other knot...pfff, as if!
We were smart enough to tie the knot finally after 4 children. I can gladly say we will not be going through the birthing experience again. Oh, you thought I meant the other knot...pfff, as if!
Gray Area
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Ha, us too. First was a 10 hour labour from midnight till 10am... long.
Our second I thought would be born on the back seat of a friends car on the way to the hospital. An hour and a half between the wife's water breaking at home and our daughter being in hand.
Didn't mind the messy stuff tbh. Cut both the cords... just as I was asked if I wanted to do it and thought why not, not because I put any symbolic meaning to that kind of stuff or anything. Lots of blood
Our second I thought would be born on the back seat of a friends car on the way to the hospital. An hour and a half between the wife's water breaking at home and our daughter being in hand.
Didn't mind the messy stuff tbh. Cut both the cords... just as I was asked if I wanted to do it and thought why not, not because I put any symbolic meaning to that kind of stuff or anything. Lots of blood
Maninthemachine
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Seriously ...taking a guess that the op is a male...I’m not saying that’s typical for man to demean women (even though that’s the world we live in atm),just feel so much ignorance in that statement. Not only Is this the miracle of birth but it’s one soul bringing a “new “ soul into this physical world. Every bit of it..fluids afterbirth etc is a part of the process and should Be respected honored and most importantly innerstood by those ( men ) who are not directly a part of said process. What’s gross is being born in a hospital..that’s completely Unnatural and the world has convinced so many of us that free birthing is wrong and the hospital/doctor is right.
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
Don't have anything to do with it. If you can't handle childbirth, you can't handle rearing children. As a man, there isn't much chance you'll have to have anything to do with childbirth unless you choose to do so, but it's nice of you to share your heartfelt opinion on childbirth with the rest of us. It does say a lot about you, so thanks for sharing.
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Maninthemachine
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Like everything else pretty much ...we humans tend to steer away from anything that is foreign to us. Simply because we don’t know about it or understand. Curious if the op has been present during a birth .
The 'ugliness' of childbirth has a lot to do with the greatness of humanity, humans stood upright before our brains became freakishly large. Standing upright and propelling yourself on 2 feet uses 25% of the energy of moving on 4, allowing for great savings in energy demands, possibly being a factor in the later development of much larger brains. Standing upright also allowed for the development of extreme dexterity which is essential for many of our skills. Unfortunately a side effect of standing upright is that the pelvis is narrower and less well adapted to childbirth, and so women endure a much more challenging delivery than many other animals. I guess ultimately this pain and trial must be cherished, as it is deeply linked to the power of our species.
I'm curious to whether the OP has ever slaughtered/butchered an animal.
I'm curious to whether the OP has ever slaughtered/butchered an animal.
Maninthemachine
Active Member
Slaughtering a sentient being is completely different than birthing. If you are speaking in terms of violence blood gore etc
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
I've been on both sides of the hospital argument. One cesarean and one baby breathing in meconium at birth. Without the doctor and hospital setting I could have lost 3 very important people in these two births.
The two cesareans that came after were scheduled births because having had the first one the doctors feel it's up to the woman to decide if they want to try natural birth or not. My wife preferred to make an appointment and it's her body so that's all I needed to hear. I felt like natural childbirth in a more natural setting was worth the attempt but was vetoed.
These days many hospitals have birthing rooms that look like a home.
howie105
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I hear that, I much prefer watching livestock give birth except for shoveling up the placenta afterwards.
Maninthemachine
Active Member
Not saying there shouldn’t be someone present (midwife other knowledgeable person on birthing ) ..but there’s no way a hospital can replicate natural birth. First of all doctors cut the cord right away. Which immediately cuts off the flow between mother and child. This is very damaging for several reasons. Then come the shots ... they are poisoning us in everywhere possible. We are relying too much on convenience ..Letting others do something we should do. On a ramble now so I will stop here lol. C section is crazy bad for the woman as well.
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
As a woman, I feel I have the judgement to know if I want a hospital or home birth. I'm thankful for the knowledgeable healthcare professionals who safely delivered my babies. It's harsh to have my childbirth experience judged, by someone who wasn't there, as "unnatural". First it's gross and ugly, and now it's not good enough because I didn't deliver at home in someone's idealized version of how other women should deliver their babies. It's another great day to be a woman.
His_Highness
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
@Maninthemachine - agree on most of your points. But....
The convenience of having that operating room right there, surgical staff and equipment when my wife's placenta abrupted saved my wife and first child.
The convenience of having "a team" of neonatal staff and the proper equipment saved my grandson when that meconium issue occurred and that was a natural birth. I don't even want to think about what would have happened if he wasn't in that hospital when over 6 doctors and nurses came running into that room.
Edit: @Madri-Gal .... If I have offended in any way please accept my apologies. Your response was very well put. My wife would have been way less eloquent.
The convenience of having that operating room right there, surgical staff and equipment when my wife's placenta abrupted saved my wife and first child.
The convenience of having "a team" of neonatal staff and the proper equipment saved my grandson when that meconium issue occurred and that was a natural birth. I don't even want to think about what would have happened if he wasn't in that hospital when over 6 doctors and nurses came running into that room.
Edit: @Madri-Gal .... If I have offended in any way please accept my apologies. Your response was very well put. My wife would have been way less eloquent.
Maninthemachine
Active Member
You do you !
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
Exactly. When my daughter was born, it was a beautiful birth, attended by two teams of doctor's and nurses, with a helicopter waiting to airlift my newborn to a children's hospital. My youngest had to go to NICU, then be transferred to a children's hospital. I, myself, was born three months early, and was in an incubator for the first eight months of my life. There is no way there would have been happy outcomes at home. I've also witnessed vag deliveries and several C-sections, and everything was beautiful, with healthy babies and Moms. We all want fairy tales, but reality is good too.
@His_Highness , you in no way offended me. I'm happy your wife was safely delivered, and your grandchild as well.
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Baron23
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hahaha....really, next thing is he'll want you to squat in the rice paddy and just drop one. Or maybe like this Monty Python scene. sigh
Maninthemachine
Active Member
May I ask what happened with your 3month early birth ?
Madri-Gal
Child Of The Revolution
From what I can recall (and while my short term memory may be flawed, my long term memory is flawless) sex wasn't so much about being funny, as fun.
Nina
Well-Known Member
Rather than expressing your disgust perhaps you should be grateful that women are prepared to put themselves through this so that the human race can continue
Furthermore you yourself are a product of this disgusting and abhorrent thing, do you feel disgusted with yourself OP?
Furthermore you yourself are a product of this disgusting and abhorrent thing, do you feel disgusted with yourself OP?
arb
Semi shaved ape
............nice.