Old cannabis

A few threads pop up now and again around the forum about old cannabis .

It got me thinking about starting a thread about old weed and any experiences you guys might like to share .

What is the oldest weed you have used ?Post up any pics or stories of old weed you have smoked or vaped .
any info about how it was stored . how it taste and effects . has it lost much potency ect ect .

I will start . I have a bunch of older samples oldest would be around 4 years . i just had some barbara bud i bought from tilray , canadian licenced producer .
Date bought was jan 30 2017 this makes it just over 2 years old since i got it .

It has been stored in a mason jar in a light proof case . its been opened many times though just to smell it and check on it .

It has changed color drastically , and seems to have shrunk a bit . it did have a boveda pack in with it for probably a year but i took it out a while back . seems to be fine without it and has held its level of humidity its a golden color like all my old samples .

It still smells almost the same as i remember it did when i got it . kinda smells like red wine .

anyway i just vaped a solo bowl and it is incredibly smooth and thick tasty vapor still seems potent it was 14 % thc when i bought it .

I will post some pic possibly too later if i can figure out how .

I will report back maybe tommor further about effects .

I have a bunch more old samples too that i can try and report how they seem to have aged .

Here is the barbara bud i tested last night . i was hoping the effects would be more sedated seeing as it was two years old .

to my surprise though it wasnt , at first . im a regular user everyday pretty much but tiny amounts maybe 3 to 5 bowls in my dyna vape or my solo. I also usually use ome CBD strains or salads with cbd and thc strains anyway i actully got a tiny little bit of anxity rush right after vaping the barbara bud. . didnt last long though and i did sleep well the whole night .

Honsetly it dosent seem to have lost any potency at all it was only 14 % thc but still good effects tasted great still smells good too .

Not bad for 2 year old weed lol

Edit hold on im trying to post pics
Having trouble with the pics damn it

I'm a survivor of lean years in the past. Even though I live in a legal state, I tend to hoard. This SnowBird year I brought different strains of 3 yr old cannabis I had stored w/bovidas and oxygen absorbers in Mason jars in a dorm refrigerator set at "slightly cool". Still great after all these years. And I've made strong tincture from the decarbed rosin and Everclear.

Stored properly older is my preference..........

Mid 70's brick seeds found in a gardening box some of which were still able to germinate. Do they count?

howie105 said:

Mid 70's brick seeds found in a gardening box some of which were still able to germinate. Do they count?

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For sure ! Post a pic if you can

Ok gonna try and post my barbara bud pics again fingers crossed

Ok so managed to get the links to work was hoping to get them posted so you wouldnt have to click on them but i guess its ok for now . somebody let me know if the links work for you please thanks

Buds are a bit beat up just from handling over the couple years. . i wasnt trying to keep them in prestine shape and didnt set out thinking that i would still have them for 2 years lol all things considered id say they still look ok lol

https://i.ibb.co/5TJBLRJ/20190204-151340.jpg
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https://i.ibb.co/gws4tCJ/20190204-150402.jpg
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arb said:

Stored properly older is my preference..........

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Oh honey, I like the way you think .

Just kidding, but I Never get to use that emoji...

Studies I read somewhere indicate cannabinoid level losses of 5-10% per year if well stored.

archangelz001 said:

Studies I read somewhere indicate cannabinoid level losses of 5-10% per year if well stored.

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I did read somewhere , i cant remember exact details but , a study saying properly stored it will lose something like half its THC in the first year . then less each year after that .

This does not make sense to me going by my samples . unless potency really dosent have as much to do with standard thinking of THC = potency .

If this is true my sample of barbara bud would be pretty low in THC by now under 7 percent and considering not the most perfect storage probably below 5 % THC . the effects felt i would never think it to be so low , but who knows wwould need a lab to see for sure .

I will try and find the study im reffering too when i have more time im getting ready for work at the moment .

Here is a pic or two of some hindu kush from tweed also called baker st by tweed . its even older i dont have the record of sale to tell me the exacnfo .

but this stuff is about 3 years old and potency was in the mid 20s % THC .

stuff still looks great and smells awesome . i havnt had any in a long long time just because i have since moved more toward lower potency and CBD strains

https://i.ibb.co/R2Kqm26/20190204-150706.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/XS2Zkpk/20190204-150655.jpg

17% cannabinoid loss after 1 year. 27% loss after 2 years. 34.5% loss after 3 years. 41% loss after 4 years.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1997-01-01_1_page008.html

So some flower that tests 20% THC will have 16.6% after a year, 14.6% after 2 years, 13.3% after 3 years. 11.8% after 4 years.

macbill said:

I'm a survivor of lean years in the past. Even though I live in a legal state, I tend to hoard. This SnowBird year I brought different strains of 3 yr old cannabis I had stored w/bovidas and oxygen absorbers in Mason jars in a dorm refrigerator set at "slightly cool". Still great after all these years. And I've made strong tincture from the decarbed rosin and Everclear.

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Also a survivor of lean periods, but I find I can’t hoard weed. Ic an stretch it out forever, it seems, but I always use it all...then rinse everything in ISO, evaporate it down, and use that. If still dry beyond that, I’ll scrape the pipe bowls, then wash *those* down, evaporate, and use what I get from it.

Makes it easy to see how long I’ve been out: if my glass, grinder, etc are sparkling clean, I. Am. OUT.

ClearBlueLou Now thats reuse recycle to the extreame lol kinda gross though lol.

archangelz001 said:

17% cannabinoid loss after 1 year. 27% loss after 2 years. 34.5% loss after 3 years. 41% loss after 4 years.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/bulletin/bulletin_1997-01-01_1_page008.html

So some flower that tests 20% THC will have 16.6% after a year, 14.6% after 2 years, 13.3% after 3 years. 11.8% after 4 years.

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Thanks for the link , not sure how much we can really take from it though .

its purpose was for crime investigation more then science lol . did you read how they dried that shit lol . Crank the heat up to 70 degrees c and dried in a matter of hours , could have effected there out come .

Its not the study i was thinking of ., but does mention others.
possibly the one i was thinking of was the one they mentioned done in 1970 by Liskow .. were it says he found about 5 percent lose per month maybe thats were i was getting the 50 percent lose in the first year thing .

Also there samples were pretty pathetic at just 2 percent THC percentages .

They also mention results could be differnt with higher percentages with faster loses .

So your examples of loses of THC in a 20 % sample cant really be taken with any authority .
because this study may have tottaly different results from what we might have with properly cured samples that reflect a more realistic higher percentage level of THC i mean 2 percent lol that shit was almost hemp lol what a joke .

After reading that it actully just reenforces my belief that studies are mostly all bogus especialy when trying to connect them to other senerios

Might as well be a nida study for all the"facts"found in it..........lolz.

Too many variables, too many variations in starting assumptions, no real methodology...all based on the declaration that THC is THE THING.... underscores my conviction that we’re still in scientific limbo: too much work needs to be done and isn’t being done yet. Need *real* freedom to conduct real research - not just some remit in support of bad policy choices

Arb: NIDA? Not parsing that...clarify, please?

Chris_71: any percentage change below 20 is invisible to the user...which is why a “ten percent discount!” is a con. The difference, in the pocket or in the head, is negligible

ClearBlueLou said:

Too many variables, too many variations in starting assumptions, no real methodology...all based on the declaration that THC is THE THING.... underscores my conviction that we’re still in scientific limbo: too much work needs to be done and isn’t being done yet. Need *real* freedom to conduct real research - not just some remit in support of bad policy choices

Arb: NIDA? Not parsing that...clarify, please?

Chris_71: any percentage change below 20 is invisible to the user...which is why a “ten percent discount!” is a con. The difference, in the pocket or in the head, is negligible

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Yes i belive your right. And it could be that the link archangelz001 provided could be relistic. I just get a bad taste about taking to much weight from studies done by law maker and enforcer types there motives are always suspect IMO

Believe me, I *quite* understand, I am the same way: failing to consider the source of information, data, opinions seems to be an exceedingly popular way of wandering way off course. There are entirely too many moving parts to trust sketchy data, fraudulent information, or unsupported opinions.

As you say, it’s possible that archangelz001’s link provides accurate information - but we can’t know that until further, well-designed, rigorous research verifies it. In science, as in the rest of life, crappy questions lead to useless answers.

Especially where cannabis is concerned. Between the ‘30s and the ‘00s, there was virtually no research approved that did not INTEND to support reefer-madness policies, and too much grass-roots (*ahem*) experience was haphazard, poorly documented, or compounded with errors, there’s simply no way - or reason - to accept US cannabis ‘research’ at face value.

Reading this little artical got me thinking about this thread again

https://www.google.com/amp/s/hightimes.com/strains/hashishene-the-new-terpene-on-the-block/amp/

I rememeber in my younger years getting lebanese red hash and gold seal black and other hash . old school stuff when they still smuggled it into north amaerica .

You just dont see this stuff any more here . i used to love it .

if i had a chance i would definatly choose to smoke this kind of stuff over any of the new super thc bud that we have now .
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It mentions the oxidization of certain terpenes and ultraviolet light . maybe i should leave some of this old weed i have sitting in the sun for a bit lol

Could be as close as i can get to this hash of my past lol.

You guys over there in europe are lucky you can get this old school hash . i hope one day as cannabis becomes legal around the world we can start to get the real deal old school hash made in the oridginal countries that have produced it for centries

If only i live to see the day lol

chris 71 said:

You just dont see this stuff any more here . i used to love it .

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Ironically it's all over menus in Canada.

I just finished off a bug that was about 4-6 months old. Left it in a mason jar. It was so dry and so dense. Pretty sure it was a sativa. Orange cough or something. Didn’t give me sativa affects though. When I got it fresh it did. Still tasted amazing and was a pleasurable vaping experience. The nug was so small but I managed to get two bowls out of my Haze Square.

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Ironically it's all over menus in Canada.

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Ive seen that too . they call it afgan or lebanese .or marocan but i dont think its the real stuff from those countries .

its likey just pressed kif or some sort of dry sift or lower quality bubble or dry ice sift or something .

But most likely from plants growen here in canada . i dont know for sure but this would make more sence to me then actulal real old world hash like what they talk about in the artical i linked

I remember smoking black hash in college. I was given a big chunk that was the size of a chunky bar. We smoked off of it for a month. It had the best flavor and I remember getting a real nice high off it.

But then I've watched videos of guys making some varieties with their hands and I've found it a bit nasty. Here's a video example. Obviously the dark color comes from heating it up and also from the dead skin and shit under the fingernails of the makers. But I'd try it again.

Ya i seen that video too and many others lol....

ok ya and the way they melt the plastic is not that appealing either , i guess i would pass on smoking that too lol

What i find appealing is the idea of using whole fields of cannabis plants to make the product and this hashishene terpene . that they talk about in the artical
that only seems to comes from that kind of process with the oxidiaztion and not the process of mauling it with feet hand s plastic and what ever tea and shit they use thats the afgan stuff though . i think marrocan stuff is handled different.

Anyway my whole point is i always thought there might be something missing from what i remember amoking in my youth and this hashishene terpene thing could be it . as well as the full well rounded cannabiniod profile that you would get with a whole field of plants rather then a few , or a room of clones

Minus the feet and dirty crap lol

Yes, I haven't had hash like that in many years, but fondly remember the smell and flavor than could only come from that type of classic hashish. A specific terp for that aroma sounds very plausible. I have always hoped that when I came across it again that it would still smell and taste the same even after vaping. The memory I have for that type of hash come from way back when I used to smoke not vape it. But it is not available around me.

I wondered if I could get a similar flavor if I bought some kief and pressed it, but haven't tried it. I know there is a strain called hashplant and wonder if the terp profile mirrors what you would get in those landraces of Afganistan or Moracco type hash?

No it will not sorry...........

BabyFacedFinster said:

Yes, I haven't had hash like that in many years, but fondly remember the smell and flavor than could only come from that type of classic hashish. A specific terp for that aroma sounds very plausible. I have always hoped that when I came across it again that it would still smell and taste the same even after vaping. The memory I have for that type of hash come from way back when I used to smoke not vape it. But it is not available around me.

I wondered if I could get a similar flavor if I bought some kief and pressed it, but haven't tried it. I know there is a strain called hashplant and wonder if the terp profile mirrors what you would get in those landraces of Afganistan or Moracco type hash?

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This is suppossed to be dinafem blue hash , it grew like a sativa and smells citruisy . nothing at all really hashy about it

https://ibb.co/M9ZXL9x