Petunia Vanish
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When I press one of the temperature buttons the buzz goes away for about a minute but then returns
Discontinued Haze Square
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caseball2051
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I haven't listened that closely or in a while to really comment. I was just confirming for you cause I saw you ask and had time to reply.
If I remember tonight I'll see if I can pull my square out and see what I hear exactly.
I'm pretty sure i recall some other users reporting this as well.
If I remember tonight I'll see if I can pull my square out and see what I hear exactly.
I'm pretty sure i recall some other users reporting this as well.
Petunia Vanish
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I pulled out my unit over the weekend and I had trouble turning it off it was getting hot and I was getting concerned however it seemed to turn off after many attempts
O-G-Reg
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My square occasionally ticks while i draw. But stops ticking when the unit is off, though i do experience constant battery drain.
When are people changing coils?
Ive got 2 spares and am still on my original from P1. Its actually one of the last pieces i have that came with the unit.
As an aside i think we all take risks buying products from nearly any company. I think it’s important to keep in mind that a lot of the portable market is not backed by a too big to fail corporation, but a handful of people, maybe even one or two mortal souls.
When are people changing coils?
Ive got 2 spares and am still on my original from P1. Its actually one of the last pieces i have that came with the unit.
As an aside i think we all take risks buying products from nearly any company. I think it’s important to keep in mind that a lot of the portable market is not backed by a too big to fail corporation, but a handful of people, maybe even one or two mortal souls.
ginolicious
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My unit ticks when it’s heating too. That I can clearly hear. I don’t think it’s an issue. Believe something was discussed somewhere in this thread about it a while ago.
I’m still on original coil from June 2018. I only have one. Haha. So I can’t chsnge. I’ve also been using daily since.
Petunia Vanish
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"Coil heating noise is normal" r.i.p. bianca from haze.
Djsleepy
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That's how mine.overheated then stopped working
Petunia Vanish
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That's the part that upsets me that 10 year warranty is irrelevant I just have a over heating unit
EconMan
Cannabis Economics
LOL, but perhaps sadly true. If I were the consultant for the owners, or their lawyer, I would advise them to STFU. *anything* they say now *will* be used against them.
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FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
heartbreaking to read this... and unbelievable all the accusations read.
I really enjoyed meeting you and hope our paths cross again in the future. My Haze is still awesome, thank you for all your help!
EconMan
Cannabis Economics
That was an apology? Sounded more like "gaslighting" to me.
For the record, I have nothing personally against Haze. I've never been a customer, and I've had no interaction with them. I've only used their products from friends. Personally, as a vaporist, I think the "Square" is among the best all-time general ideas in vaping. I would love to meet the imaginative person who came up with the idea because it is pure genius. All my portable vapes suck as real stealthy portables, because loading vapes in wind, on the run, etc, is a pain. To simply turn something, when another delicious bowl is desired, is more than just a "convenience" improvement -- it is or could be a paradigm shifter.
As economist's say great product IP, poor execution.
So my problem with them is the way they went out of business, something that does impact me and others, albeit indirectly. Nothing necessarily wrong or illegal with a "going out of business" sale, and using holiday sales promotions to get a extra revenue so a business loses less money at shut down. In fact, it is a smart strategy I respect and recommend. And it's ethical **IF** consumers are told beforehand and therefore the sale will be "as is" with no warranty explicit or implied.
Ethically, by my values, and legally by their presumably binding merchant bank agreement, and the FTC, and numerous legislation and regulation, anyone that bought over the holidays did so under false-pretenses. They bought something that was significantly different than advertised -- certainly no ten year warranty! They possess a moral AND legal right to a full refund funded by Haze's merchant bank. And the exercise of this right does not make a person unthankful, unappreciative, or mean, or unfair to Haze... the attempt to guilt-trip and narcissistically gaslight notwithstanding. (Saying how much their customers meant to them in the past while almost in the same breath ripping recent customers off, I do find insulting as a consumer).
It is NOT about Haze, it is about their ripped off customers.
If they had a "rolling reserve" imposed upon them, there are only a few reasons for this. Either their financials were so bad at application, the bank required it, or more probably they got into "chargeback" trouble".... as a merchant's chargebacks approach 1.5% of total charges, banks start to get nervous.... if a merchant goes over that critical ratio, the bank's hammer will eventually come down and they will require a written and executed chargeback mitigation program, and if exceptionally worried, a "rolling reserve" meaning the bank "holds" a portion of their sales in an seperate account... it is their money but they can't get to it for six months.
Regardless, I was pleased to hear that all shipments were shipped, but by definition, the products shipped were worth less than what customers bought (unless one would argue the odd notion that an unsupported Haze product is worth more than a supported one?).
Tangent FYI on warranties for those interested:
I teach an whole university course on "Assurity Economics" (lots of statistics!) and the "expected cost" of warranties can be exceptionally high. Obviously, if maintenance costs on the warrantee exceed profit from sales, the business MUST eventually shut down. As a merchant banker, we see "long warranties" as red-flags, not as symbols of a virtuous company proud of their product. Diligent underwriters will want to see the mathematics justifying it, because so very often long warranties are used as a manipulative device to increase demand short-term. Almost literally, every internet product scam involves a long or even lifetime warranty.
Indeed.... headspace calculating... I have a Puffco Peak that I do like, warts and all, but if I was hired to price a "ten year warranty" for it, the number would be somewhere around $1000 I suspect.... near three times the price of the unit. Actual Puffco warranty: 1 yr. Actual Puffco Atomizer warrantee: 3 months.
Sounds about right. lol
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Djsleepy
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EconMan
Cannabis Economics
You are very welcome. My goal is not to cause Haze grief -- they've done that to themself -- but to inform consumers. Being new with low post-counts, I was a bit reluctant. I don't want to be "that guy", but my professions put me into a position where I may can help folks to better understand their rights and options. That Haze was not doing anyone "a favor" by honoring their own warranty. That anyone who bought over their holiday promotions is a victim, legally.
Actually, I was not personally upset with Haze at all -- just stated what I heard -- until that troubling "gaslighting" post came, where seemingly everyone was to blame from the Chinese to unappreciative customers.... everyone except Haze. Having studied company success and failure much of my adult life, and being a business proprietor myself, I find this troubling indeed. Because it displays an inherent *attitude* that is revealed vividly in failure.
In my company, if the client for WHATEVER reason fails to receive what was promised, it is OUR fault, and by extension, MY fault. If I tell you your rate will be 2.4% and your first statement comes and it is is 4.4%... it doesn't matter why (perhaps a clerical error?) -- you were misled and either I fix it asap or I don't. If I don't then that speaks volumes about how I REALLY view you -- as merely a means to my ends. Bad business attitude IMO.
Petunia Vanish
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When I have made my original pre-order during phase 1 I received the pro model (had o.ring issue and oven needed to be raised) then received a phase 3 pro model. I wonder why I never received the standard in the 1st place.
And I wonder if that version was more reliable and worked as advertised better than the pro which I never got working as advertised
And I wonder if that version was more reliable and worked as advertised better than the pro which I never got working as advertised
ginolicious
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Mine still works. I’m a light user though.
Petunia Vanish
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Have any square users "bite the bullet" and bought another vaporizer?
ginolicious
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caseball2051
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Yes, vas is never cured.
I bought a lil bud recently and it's quickly turned into my daily vape alongside my enano. I absolutely love on demand convection and the unit is beautiful.
I also bought a Fluxer deluxe induction heater and I'm loving that
I bought a lil bud recently and it's quickly turned into my daily vape alongside my enano. I absolutely love on demand convection and the unit is beautiful.
I also bought a Fluxer deluxe induction heater and I'm loving that
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wastedpotential
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I went with the Ghost MV1, and it works so well I forgot how much work the Square was for all of us. Ghost is consistent hits, with very easy cleanup.
FlyingLow
Team NO SLEEP!
...seriously!
The website is down, and their physical retail location has been cleaned out and vacated (confirmed yesterday). They had so many great vapes in there (of nearly ALL brands discussed on this forum)... upset I did not catch a sale before they closed.