Saionara Atomizer thread

tennisguru1

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I assume you are using AF? You just have two coefs to setup: P and I (there's no D term in AF but it's in my_evic and derivatives) At first your mod will likely overshoot a lot, so in order to avoid having your heating element go pop, perform your experiments at a low temperature.

Then use AF live monitor and watch closely the "live temperature" line. You'll need also to set the Y axis to have the maximum zoom level. Display also the "set temperature" line. Then you'll need to tweak P and D, upload settings and go back to the live monitor.

The goal is to try to have as little overshoot as possible (I prefer if it tends to undershoot actually) when not drawing but at the same time it needs to not collapse too much when you draw (playing with the max watts settings common to TC settings helps here, as we have no D term)

"I" must be much smaller than "P" usually. Start with P=500 and I=80 and experiment around that. There are some methods to fine-tune PID controllers but you'll have to learn that on your own. But doing it empirically works too.

Yes , Myevic on one,
Red Panda on Espion 200
Af on the Evic Dual
Both DNAc mods just work great no tweaking.
Great & clear explanation, thx.

I have a base to work with now, so it's basically controlling the
bounce back point in TC,as I see on my Joyetechs overshoot wildly.
And you suggest tweak till you get a few degrees undershoot.
Interesting, do I have the gist & now need to practice?
 
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KeroZen

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The undershoot is more of a personal preference. I prefer never exceeding the set temperature, even if that means lagging a bit when I draw too hard. Reminds me a bit how conduction vapes work... without the downsides of course.

But ideally we would want the live temperature to be exactly the set one and stay solid of course. It's just that I never really managed to get it perfect on my joyetech cheapos. Indeed other better mods don't require that much geekery... and to be honest it's better this way!

With myevic try adding some D term, like 5 or 10 to begin with. You should be able to setup P to have a fast ramp to set point, I to prevent overshoot and accelerate the stabilization around set point, all of that tuned without drawing. Then tuning the D term should allow you to make the system resilient to disturbances (i.e. you drawing on the vape)

If you get oscillations, some of the coefs are likely too high. Good luck! :p
 

tennisguru1

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The undershoot is more of a personal preference. I prefer never exceeding the set temperature, even if that means lagging a bit when I draw too hard. Reminds me a bit how conduction vapes work... without the downsides of course.

But ideally we would want the live temperature to be exactly the set one and stay solid of course. It's just that I never really managed to get it perfect on my joyetech cheapos. Indeed other better mods don't require that much geekery... and to be honest it's better this way!

With myevic try adding some D term, like 5 or 10 to begin with. You should be able to setup P to have a fast ramp to set point, I to prevent overshoot and accelerate the stabilization around set point, all of that tuned without drawing. Then tuning the D term should allow you to make the system resilient to disturbances (i.e. you drawing on the vape)

If you get oscillations, some of the coefs are likely too high. Good luck! :p

Whoa! Got my work cut out for me, lol. :>)
Like everything a process, I'll dig in and play should be fun.
Thx for the leg up, had no Idea it was so techy... cool.
 
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al bundy

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While waiting for Evic to charge I put Sai taf triple coil on Evole XL battery
Very nice results. May have to try the donut too haven’t used it yet
No more Mole sai coils in stock either...
 
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tennisguru1

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While waiting for Evic to charge I put Sai taf triple coil on Evole XL battery
Very nice results. May have to try the donut too haven’t used it yet
No more Mole sai coils in stock either...

Ever put the mole on that battery?
What wattage range does it fire at?
I put mine on my Evolve + battery today for stealth on the Tennis court.
So small, cool and the wax chamber on bottom.

Here is the mole on the Torch battery small
https://i.redd.it/o34lrlbgd5121.jpg
 
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CalyxSmokr

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looking to get the best entry model with mod for using live resin on the go.
any package leads atm?
seems there are three cups to choose from? if you had to choose one? ready to step up from yocan
 
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looking to get the best entry model with mod for using live resin on the go.
any package leads atm?
seems there are three cups to choose from? if you had to choose one? ready to step up from yocan

I'm a new user and this is my first portable device for concentrates and I figured that the eleaf Pico 75w would be a good starting point for me.

I used these settings for live resin and it seems to work pretty good

https://www.reddit.com/r/Waxpen/com...nsuming_live_resin/?utm_source=reddit-android
 

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CalyxSmokr,

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ok good for the mod. but which rda (is that the word?) and bucket?
sequoia or a different one? titanium or quartz? or are all options pretty good?

Im using top airflow Sai with titanium bucket. I don't know what RDA is, sorry bud this is all new to me. I have the quartz bucket but have not used it yet.
 

mixchu69

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it seems like there is no consistency with the SAI quartz cup. Do you think the extra power of the Sequioa (assume that it is stronger based on reviews in the past) will do better with the quartz bucket?
 
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LambsBreath

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Got to try out my new SAI quartz bucket briefly tonight before the skillet coil got broken. Didn't realize you can't q-tip the quartz cup while it's still in the heater!

Pressure from the q-tip cleaning instantly cracked apart the ceramic plate coil (thin, fragile).

I won't be getting another ceramic heater, Don't like how easy it cracked apart, I've been using ceramic doughnut coils, but I've never had one break apart like that, and I've pressed on them quite often while loading. I suppose these "plate/skillet" type would be even more fragile though.

Plus I like to wet q-tip the cup with heat for cleaning.

Pretty sure I read here about using the quartz cup in the titanium bucket's heater, would that be more durable? Then I could q-tip clean it without removing the cup? Or is that the ceramic too?

EDIT: yep just checked, it's ceramic but it's it's a donut coil under there instead of the flat plate coil the quartz bucket has.
 
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tennisguru1

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Got to try out my new SAI quartz bucket briefly tonight before the skillet coil got broken. Didn't realize you can't q-tip the quartz cup while it's still in the heater!

Pressure from the q-tip cleaning instantly cracked apart the ceramic plate coil (thin, fragile).

I won't be getting another ceramic heater, Don't like how easy it cracked apart, I've been using ceramic doughnut coils, but I've never had one break apart like that, and I've pressed on them quite often while loading. I suppose these "plate/skillet" type would be even more fragile though.

Plus I like to wet q-tip the cup with heat for cleaning.

Pretty sure I read here about using the quartz cup in the titanium bucket's heater, would that be more durable? Then I could q-tip clean it without removing the cup? Or is that the ceramic too?

EDIT: yep just checked, it's ceramic but it's it's a donut coil under there instead of the flat plate coil the quartz bucket has.
 
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Yes, It works better than flat plat actually. I posted this 3 months ago.
You can have same setting on your mod & just change temps & ramp up time.
 
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b0

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Didn't realize you can't q-tip the quartz cup while it's still in the heater!

Pressure from the q-tip cleaning instantly cracked apart the ceramic plate coil (thin, fragile).

I´ve been doing that with my sai everyday for the last 2 months (cleaing with a q-tip + ISO while still in the heater) and I haven´t broke my first heater yet. How much strenght did you use?
 
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LambsBreath

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I´ve been doing that with my sai everyday for the last 2 months (cleaing with a q-tip + ISO while still in the heater) and I haven´t broke my first heater yet. How much strenght did you use?
Well I can't exactly say how much strength I used, but apparently I pressed harder than most normally would.

Reason being is I'm used to doing this q-tip swabbing procedure with my Longmada Motar Quartz bucket, you can q-tip the hell out of the Motar coil! Even when hot - fire it to boil the water a bit then swab with the q-tip, you can press as hard as you like down into those cups, nothing ever broke, you can even scrape them with a metal pick, pressing pretty hard.

I really like the smaller size of these SAI cups (Motar wayyy to big) just need to get used to the delicacy of these in comparison.
 
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710/420

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The more I use my istick Pico 75w Sai taf the more I love it. I haven't bothered with my previous daily driver for nearly a week now.

Any suggestions for a travel case for my Pico/Sai? right now I'm using a spare eyeglass case for when I go out.
 
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LambsBreath

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The more I use my istick Pico 75w Sai taf the more I love it. I haven't bothered with my previous daily driver for nearly a week now.

Any suggestions for a travel case for my Pico/Sai? right now I'm using a spare eyeglass case for when I go out.
I also used a eyeglass case for a while, best ones are the "zippered hard case" type.

Now I'm using a small plastic "flashlight/outdoor equipment box" that fits the Pico and an atomizer perfectly (w/atomizer detached).

It snaps closed securely all around and the Pico fits snug & tight with the included foam inserts. Seems to be shock resistant with the plastic & foam.

I got mine long ago but here's one exactly the same. (same dimensions, I checked) But mine doesn't have a sticker, actually I'm pretty sure I peeled it off.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hard-Storage-Case-Plastic-Flashlight-Portable-Carry-Empty-Box-Outdoor

You also could search "flashlight plastic storage case" on aliexpress and you'll find many of these but you'll have to sort through all the various sizes, some of the smaller ones like this aren't as tall inside.

I'd post a photo of mine with the Pico in, but I haven't got around to trying that yet here (posting photos)
 

mixchu69

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The more I use my istick Pico 75w Sai taf the more I love it. I haven't bothered with my previous daily driver for nearly a week now.

Any suggestions for a travel case for my Pico/Sai? right now I'm using a spare eyeglass case for when I go out.
Which coils are you using? Are you using the titanium bucket? Have you tried the quartz bucket yet? Reading your post from above.
 
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I also used a eyeglass case for a while, best ones are the "zippered hard case" type.

Now I'm using a small plastic "flashlight/outdoor equipment box" that fits the Pico and an atomizer perfectly (w/atomizer detached).

It snaps closed securely all around and the Pico fits snug & tight with the included foam inserts. Seems to be shock resistant with the plastic & foam.

I got mine long ago but here's one exactly the same. (same dimensions, I checked) But mine doesn't have a sticker, actually I'm pretty sure I peeled it off.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Hard-Storage-Case-Plastic-Flashlight-Portable-Carry-Empty-Box-Outdoor

You also could search "flashlight plastic storage case" on aliexpress and you'll find many of these but you'll have to sort through all the various sizes, some of the smaller ones like this aren't as tall inside.

I'd post a photo of mine with the Pico in, but I haven't got around to trying that yet here (posting photos)
Thanks for the suggestion, that case looks sturdy and cool. Right now my eyeglass case can hold two 1gram jars of live resin and my mini dab pick.


Which coils are you using? Are you using the titanium bucket? Have you tried the quartz bucket yet? Reading your post from above.

Im using the ti bucket. Haven't tried the quartz bucket yet. Loving the ti bucket for easy clean up. I just use some tissue and water.
 
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