Rosin Technique....Easy DIY Solventless

invertedisdead

invertedisdead

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btka said:
mixing (flower) rosin with terps to use in catridge:


what is your opinion about this technique?
does not seem to dewax, filter and so on but seems to work good...
also I have read that terpenes (or too much) is not healthy (what is your opinion about this?)

any recommondations where to buy good canna derived terps?

also watched vids regarding thc a diamonds (jar tech)...
where thc a is seperated from terps... as far as I understood thc a crystals will form on the ground of the jar and terp sauce (terps) will float on top of the diamonds...
could you fill the terps sauce in a cartridge (whats in the terps sauce mainly terps?)
could you use the terps (sauce) from this process instead of buying terps... and what could you do with remaining thc a diamonds...
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Just my opinion, but I can't think of anything much worse than putting fake terps in quality rosin. 8 drops of terps per .5 of rosin!?!? Holy crap... that's gonna be disgusting.

Flower rosin is just not ideal for making cartridge pens out of. You're much better off to make hash rosin if high end solventless separations is the goal. Yes the yield will be less than flower but it's going to wick up cleaner.
 
btka

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invertedisdead said:
Just my opinion, but I can't think of anything much worse than putting fake terps in quality rosin. 8 drops of terps per .5 of rosin!?!? Holy crap... that's gonna be disgusting.

Flower rosin is just not ideal for making cartridge pens out of. You're much better off to make hash rosin if high end solventless separations is the goal. Yes the yield will be less than flower but it's going to wick up cleaner.
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ok I now realise the brand of terpens he is using is fake...
but you could use real canna derived terps (like blueriver)...
as far as I understand you need the terps with your rosin to get the consistency to be able to use it in catridges...
or is there another maybe better way to get rosin usable in cartriges?
 
invertedisdead

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btka said:
ok I now realise the brand of terpens he is using is fake...
but you could use real canna derived terps (like blueriver)...
as far as I understand you need the terps with your rosin to get the consistency to be able to use it in catridges...
or is there another maybe better way to get rosin usable in cartriges?
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It's gonna cost $200 a gram to use Blue River Terpenes in the ratios he's using. Personally I gave up on the homemade rosin cartridge thing for now cause I can just go buy a cart (legal state) I understand most don't have that option, so the question is can the cost can be justified.

The best solution I've seen yet for solventless cartridges is to jar tech great quality hash rosin until the THCA crystals melt completely and it stays viscous.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlWZEs2Fkr9/

You could also do a thca separation like Dablogic in CO does.
 
Hogni

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Yep, prices of real canna sourced terpenes are ridiculous. But why do you say fake? Terps are terps anyway what source they are made of. It only makes sense to me if you use real canna sourced terps made of the same strain as the trate. We have so much terp profiles of the different strains you can make your own mix out of the different - as you called them - fake terps with ease if you are chasing for a nearly OG flavor. For sure it isn't the same but it doesn't bother me if I have to pay only a 1/6 compared to the real stuff. The main thing is it tastes nice. But we already had this discussion in the past and lets just state to each his own.
 
gunmetalshark

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And again the curious mind won, guess @btka saw it at dabbing.de..ordered a EJ Mix (unflavored) ,some of their flavorless terps and CCell´s to try it all out, guess ill try half a gram rosin with each and see what happens..still in search for something rly stealth for holidays and on the run...doesnt need to be flavor king..reliable and potent would be my goals :)
 
invertedisdead

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Hogni said:
Yep, prices of real canna sourced terpenes are ridiculous. But why do you say fake? Terps are terps anyway what source they are made of. It only makes sense to me if you use real canna sourced terps made of the same strain as the trate. We have so much terp profiles of the different strains you can make your own mix out of the different - as you called them - fake terps with ease if you are chasing for a nearly OG flavor. For sure it isn't the same but it doesn't bother me if I have to pay only a 1/6 compared to the real stuff. The main thing is it tastes nice. But we already had this discussion in the past and lets just state to each his own.
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Terps are terps until you start calling them "sour diesel" - that's something specific. These profiles should say Sour Diesel flavor just as pop tarts say Strawberry flavor, to denote the total lack of actual strawberries/cannabis.

Cannabis terpenes are going to drop in price in the coming years anyways, they are only expensive now cause its an early adopter market. In the last year alone quite a few CA extraction companies have switched to cannabis terpenes in their pens. The newer Tek is to distill the terpenes first from the starting material, then the cannabinoids can be extracted and refined with traditional methods.
 
Baron23

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Limonene is limonene...for example.

Myrcene is myrcene.

The problem, IMO, is that when they try to use these to flavor carts its often too much and taste artificial.

Got one cart here in MD that had 11% limonene!! Tasted like Lemon Pledge. New carts of same brand/strain have about 1.5% limonene....much better.
 
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invertedisdead

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Baron23 said:
Limonene is limonene...for example.

Myrcene is myrcene.

The problem, IMO, is that when they try to use these to flavor carts its often too much and taste artificial.

Got one cart here in MD that had 11% limonene!! Tasted like Lemon Pledge. New carts of same brand/strain have about 1.5% limonene....much better.
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Actually Baron, it's extremely common in nature to have the same chemical composition, whilst being arranged different structurally. That's called an isomer, and they do not necessarily share the same properties.

We'll use your example of limonene to compare the differences between oranges and lemons.

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In Chemistry this is referred to as Chiral, as they are not superimposable, they are different.

Why make the distinction? Well, certain isomers have proven effective in disease treatment, while others (with the same chemical composition) are not.
 
shredder

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gunmetalshark said:
And again the curious mind won, guess @btka saw it at dabbing.de..ordered a EJ Mix (unflavored) ,some of their flavorless terps and CCell´s to try it all out, guess ill try half a gram rosin with each and see what happens..still in search for something rly stealth for holidays and on the run...doesnt need to be flavor king..reliable and potent would be my goals :)
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There's still wax pens that have atomizers that take rosin. Not ideal but they do work, just keep the amounts small and clean often.

And now there are several portable vapes that have or have available concentrate pads. They work reasonably well too. The fury 2 vape can hide in your palm, and does concentrates. And you can reshape a concentrate pad to use in a dynavap.

None of these options will work as good as a quality nail, but even these vapes only been around a few years, and vapes are improving fast.
 
Baron23

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invertedisdead said:
Actually Baron, it's extremely common in nature to have the same chemical composition, whilst being arranged different structurally. That's called an isomer, and they do not necessarily share the same properties.

We'll use your example of limonene to compare the differences between oranges and lemons.

new_assym6.gif.gif


In Chemistry this is referred to as Chiral, as they are not superimposable, they are different.

Why make the distinction? Well, certain isomers have proven effective in disease treatment, while others (with the same chemical composition) are not.
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I know what an isomer is....now, do you know that any particular isomer of a terp is specific or dominates specifically to cannabis or is it like most of these compounds...that is, its found as a mix of isomers and this would be the same if extracted from MJ or lemons?
 
invertedisdead

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Baron23 said:
I know what an isomer is....now, do you know that any particular isomer of a terp is specific or dominates specifically to cannabis or is it like most of these compounds...that is, its found as a mix of isomers and this would be the same if extracted from MJ or lemons?
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It is impossible to say with certainty until we first identify all of the terpenes found in cannabis. I believe they have found 200, and most labs test for around 30 and consider that "in depth analysis."

The age of the plant also must be taken into consideration. Cannabis terpenes change into new ones as the resin cures, most of the monoterpenes used in these "terpene profiles" are largely gone by the time flower dries. Over 50 new compounds formed in traditional hashish according to Frenchy Cannoli. Things like "live resin" skew the lines, though I can't say I have ever personally had any "terpene profile" that tasted like cannabis to me. Which I find interesting, because even decarboxylated co2 oil, with relatively low amounts of terpenes has a clear and distinct cannabis taste to me.

Super Lemon Haze I pressed last night for the head stash

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17% yield at 185F. Pressed for around 4 minutes. Yielded 21% at 200F. Is it worth the difference? :D:lol::sherlock:
 
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PPN

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btka said:
or is there another maybe better way to get rosin usable in cartriges?
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Not sure if it might be runny enough but I noticed the rosin extracted from low thc weed is very runny. I think this sort of weed produce a rosin with a higher ratio terpènes to cannabinoid but since it yield very low and since it's difficult to scrape it's better to squish that in large enough amounts.
 
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psychonaut

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@PPN I think you may be onto something with the lower THC strains. I have some pennywise that is a 1:1 THC:CBD cultivar that ranges in the 10-15% range, it presses out very very greasy and basically uncollectable until it sits and airs out on the parchment for at least a day or two, I've not tried a cold plate from my deep freeze which is generally around -15F, but from my fridge freezer it's still grease smearing. I also suspect it's a high percentage of terpenes compared to cannabinoids. My yields weren't that bad though, seemed to be in the 15% range IIRC.

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Here's some orange hill special flower rosin squish, 3.5g larf buds almost 12wk cured, 16.2% yield @ 190F for 2.5m, 1250 PSI with 160u filter. If you like skunk varieties, I highly recommend. It has a high level of euphoria, very uplifting for a hybrid. Taste is not a true orange but a skunk orange. California Orange x Orange Bud

I have a massive cola I plan to get some proper yields on down the road, this stuff presses out very light yellow then becomes golden as the bubbles escape.


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shredder

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PPN said:
Not sure if it might be runny enough but I noticed the rosin extracted from low thc weed is very runny. I think this sort of weed produce a rosin with a higher ratio terpènes to cannabinoid but since it yield very low and since it's difficult to scrape it's better to squish that in large enough amounts.
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I grow gorilla glue #4 and it stays oily like this as well, good yields, and it's definitely not low thc. It might be extra high terps idk.
 
gunmetalshark

gunmetalshark

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No pics but my CBD weed arrived yesterday and i did a quick press with 5g each in the 40mm pre-press...didnt take photos
so u have to trust my word hehe :)

Observations so far, CBD weed were 2 different strains..one with about 6% cbd and the other one about 9%....both are tested below 0.3% thc.

First one pressed for about 7% and the other one 12%.....the rosin also doesnt get me high, its more like a uplifting effect
and VERY easy on the lungs...the lower yield one was very sappy aswell guess thats from the higher terpene part bcs its also more tasty and smells better.

What i also observed is that the used pressure also relies on how much u are squishing...i.E. 5g in 40mm puck bagged
wont blow the bag at 4000psi where i did have a blowout with the same Diameter/same bag but 10G in it..only reached 3500psi (what my gauge shows..pressure numbers r just to give an idea)

I dont know how to describe this well in engl. i feel we all just use the formula with "X pressure (iE 3000psi) on X surface (40mm round)" but for ideal extraction we would have to somehow also take the mass of herb into consideration.
I guess that will more rely on testing and there isnt an exact formula...anyway just wanted to make the point :D
 
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PPN

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shredder said:
I grow gorilla glue #4 and it stays oily like this as well, good yields, and it's definitely not low thc. It might be extra high terps idk.
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Ok so the difference doesn't seems to come from the THC content... did you get it oily every time? did you squish in the same conditions everytime?

It would be nice if a pro concentrate maker can enligth us about that topic!
 
shredder

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PPN said:
Ok so the difference doesn't seems to come from the THC content... did you get it oily every time? did you squish in the same conditions everytime?

It would be nice if a pro concentrate maker can enligth us about that topic!
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I've grown and squeezed gorilla glue for at least two years. I squeezed it maybe 6 times over that time. I squeeze both early and well cured. Gorilla glue has always been oily. It's always been a pain to collect.

My best collection method to date is to keep the parchment paper in the freezer for a few days. It eventually gets a little stiffer, but still not fun to collect. It seems wasteful because the paper stays stained with oil, but it actually yields pretty decent.

I have squeezed others than were oily early but not later, but not gorilla glue. Having said all that it's a pretty potent rosin and has a unique taste that some (me) like, so I keep squeezing it.
 
psychonaut

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psychonaut said:
Any rosineers have experience with the digital gauges? These seem to have a higher level of accuracy than the glycerin filled gauges. Thinking about trying one out.

https://www.amazon.com/XZT-Hydraulic-Pressure-10000PSI-4NPT-Base/dp/B0148KWB8G

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I bought one of those XZT digital gauges on ebay last week and unfortunately it doesn't hold an accurate pressure. It will reach the PSI then drop several hundred PSI over the course of a minute or two. I might have bought a knock off of a knock off. :shrug: I'm not really interested in spending $300 on a high quality digital gauge so switching to a Winters +/- 1.5% accuracy analog gauge for $25.

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davesmith

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Can i just add that even canna derived strain specific terps taste rank. Out of all the different ones ive tried (a close mate makes a lot of carts) the banana and kush terps are tolerable any others are rank imo.

If i wanted dabs on the go a puffco would be a much better idea imho
 
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