"Addicted" because you vape every day?

Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
It’s not my opinion. Facts aren’t opinion based.

Cannabis use is not necessary for a healthy human to survive, while food and water are. It may be beneficial, but it is not necessary.

Never using Cannabis won’t kill you. Never eating food or not drinking water, will kill you pretty quickly, and with no exceptions.

If you really think that modern medicine and science do more harm than good, why is it that our life expectancies have been extended by decades over the past few centuries?

Why is it that people in places without access to modern medical treatments and facilities often die young and from treatable issues?

Do you not ever visit medical professionals when you have a disease or other medical issue?

Do you pull your own teeth and avoid numbing agents?

If you get a bacterial infection, do you turn down antibiotics and risk death?

Science is not perfect, but it’s very nature ensures that it is self-correcting and constantly progressing. Natural remedies can be supported now or refuted with scientific experimentation, but many times, they aren’t based in anything more than pseudoscience.

My Friend,
I could attempt to answer all your 'hypothetical' questions, but I'd only be getting into issues that are outside of my personal experience. As I previously stated, you're entitled to your opinion re medication, etc, but to address one particular question, I rarely go to medical professionals. I try to look after myself, and I do that by use of herbal - and other natural - remedies (Fuck Big Pharma!) and I strongly advocate the prevention (as oppose to cure) approach, and with that in mind, I find Cannabis is vital to me, in the ongoing maintenance of my physical/spiritual well-being. I also happen to aspire to the notion that "your food should be your medicine - as your medicine should be your food."
Unlike you, I do not put my trust in corporate medicine, but hey, that's just me!
Pure Peace :leaf:
 

Alexis

Well-Known Member
My Friend,
I could attempt to answer all your 'hypothetical' questions, but I'd only be getting into issues that are outside of my personal experience. As I previously stated, you're entitled to your opinion re medication, etc, but to address one particular question, I rarely go to medical professionals. I try to look after myself, and I do that by use of herbal - and other natural - remedies (Fuck Big Pharma!) and I strongly advocate the prevention (as oppose to cure) approach, and with that in mind, I find Cannabis is vital to me, in the ongoing maintenance of my physical/spiritual well-being. I also happen to aspire to the notion that "your food should be your medicine - as your medicine should be your food."
Unlike you, I do not put my trust in corporate medicine, but hey, that's just me!
Pure Peace :leaf:
Totally agree with your whole stance. Im exactly the same way myself. And while yes you can never argue that cannabis use is a prerequirelemt for life/survival, the same way as food and water....it has the potential to help mightily, radically improve things, physically boost and support health in both curative and preventative style (latter is best, IMO Recreational= preventative medicine plain and simple, with the notion therefore of only medical being justified, when you are ALREADY sick, being even more ridiculous).

If something can make such a massive difference to your life and how you feel, with the positives greatly outweighing any deemed negatives, you certainly should never be denied it for a start.

And not to mention the mental, emotional, spiritual benefits and needs.
Well I did get monster high tonight, I was already hungover-baked in a good way, feeling very saturated. I couldnt explain why I've been getting so cained recently. My tolerance is not meant to reduce right? I haven't T breaked for too long.

Then I realised it is our weed getting stronger with the cure suddenly. Always this exact time of year I notice it. About 3 1/2 months seems to be a potency pick up.

Sorry, the point is I cant make much sense now so that's all. :)
 
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Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
Folks addicted to the Modern Medicine is best view, go to the right.
Folks addicted to the Modern Medicine is evil view, go to the left.

Now where were we? Anybody here?
I'm here. I'm still not addicted. I don't think usage equals addiction. You'd have to twist the meaning of the word to get regular use to mean addiction. I'm feeling pretty ill right now, and would vape, but I have a cat asleep on me and don't want to disturb him.
 

howie105

Well-Known Member
I'm here. I'm still not addicted. I don't think usage equals addiction. You'd have to twist the meaning of the word to get regular use to mean addiction. I'm feeling pretty ill right now, and would vape, but I have a cat asleep on me and don't want to disturb him.

You my friend are an enabler. The cat is addicted to the warm comfortable spot that is you.
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
There are many who rely on my warmth. I just have that nature. In as much as it's Winter, we have no heat and have to keep the windows open for ventilation, I don't begrudge warmth to my furry friends. They also keep me warm. Still, I can see how I am addicting, and if you look at my prior posts, I never claimed I wasn't addicting. I'm like cat nip.
This doesn't mean I am addicted, however. Just irresistible.
 

Vapeur Rogue

Est. 2013- Never Lookin' Back
I'm here. I'm still not addicted. I don't think usage equals addiction. You'd have to twist the meaning of the word to get regular use to mean addiction. I'm feeling pretty ill right now, and would vape, but I have a cat asleep on me and don't want to disturb him.

Not to derail, but I can relate to having my usage patterns affected my felines. I had to branch out beyond butane vapes due to managing one the illnesses one of my cats lives with- luckily, I am discovering more vapes that do not disturb my cats at all. As a result of returning to search for vapes, I'm finding I should have made room for battery powered vapes years ago!
 

wall

Well-Known Member
I've always told people I'm more addicted to soda then this, I use a lot of hemp but it's funny because I almost have to talk myself into vaping, I have depression so my mind is like, "you don't want to be happy, just sit here and feel worthless and sad" Then I vape and realize how good I have it and that life is ok. So to me its funny that society wants to make you feel like you have a problem when in reality it could be saving someones life
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
Not to derail, but I can relate to having my usage patterns affected my felines. I had to branch out beyond butane vapes due to managing one the illnesses one of my cats lives with- luckily, I am discovering more vapes that do not disturb my cats at all. As a result of returning to search for vapes, I'm finding I should have made room for battery powered vapes years ago!
Am I addicted because of daily usage? I don't think so. Are my cats addicted to my daily usage? Quite possibly.
I've always told people I'm more addicted to soda then this, I use a lot of hemp but it's funny because I almost have to talk myself into vaping, I have depression so my mind is like, "you don't want to be happy, just sit here and feel worthless and sad" Then I vape and realize how good I have it and that life is ok. So to me its funny that society wants to make you feel like you have a problem when in reality it could be saving someones life
If we don't think we have a problem, we don't spend money/let others control us/put up with bad policy and legislation to solve it. It makes me sad to read about how much people have internalized the pot is addicting arguement. I guess it's up to us to show there are many reasons to vape, and there are healthy, positive lives that include cannabis for health and/or
recreation.
I'm pleased you get relief from depression from vaping, and that you are here at FC, among friends.
 

EverythingsHazy

Well-Known Member
My Friend,
I could attempt to answer all your 'hypothetical' questions, but I'd only be getting into issues that are outside of my personal experience. As I previously stated, you're entitled to your opinion re medication, etc, but to address one particular question, I rarely go to medical professionals. I try to look after myself, and I do that by use of herbal - and other natural - remedies (Fuck Big Pharma!) and I strongly advocate the prevention (as oppose to cure) approach, and with that in mind, I find Cannabis is vital to me, in the ongoing maintenance of my physical/spiritual well-being. I also happen to aspire to the notion that "your food should be your medicine - as your medicine should be your food."
Unlike you, I do not put my trust in corporate medicine, but hey, that's just me!
Pure Peace :leaf:
I never said Cannabis wasn’t important to you, but if you were locked up in prison tonight, for the next five years, and given the choice of never having access to either food, water, or Cannabis, there would only be one choice that could possibly end with you surviving your sentence.

That’s because Cannabis isn’t necessary like food and water.

With all of that said, I’m not at all anti-Cannabis. I wouldn’t waste my time coming here if I thought it was all bad. I’m also not a big time pill popper. I avoid taking medications that I don’t need, like many others here. Lastly, I'm not accusing anyone here of being addicted to anything. I just wanted to clear that up.

I just don’t think that Cannabis is without flaws, and it can be dangerous to just pretend that it is.

My main point is that anything, including Cannabis, can be abused, and that too much of anything can have negative consequences. What constitutes “too much” may vary widely from person to person, and that should be acknowledged instead of being ignored.

There are a few posts in this thread that are indicative of problematic Cannabis use patterns, and it would likely benefit the posters more if they were given constructive advice, rather than being told that what they are doing is no different than eating a healthy meal or drinking a glass of water.

If Cannabis is negatively affecting your grades, work, relationship, health, mentality, etc., you should be concerned and look into your relationship with the plant. Hopefully, you can make a few changes that will allow you to continue enjoying it without going overboard. If not, maybe it’s just not for you.
 
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Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
I never said Cannabis wasn’t important to you, but if you were locked up in prison tonight, for the next five years, and given the choice of never having access to either food, water, or Cannabis, there would only be one choice that could possibly end with you surviving your sentence.

That’s because Cannabis isn’t necessary like food and water.

With all of that said, I’m not at all anti-Cannabis. I wouldn’t waste my time coming here if I thought it was all bad. I’m also not a big time pill popper. I avoid taking medications that I don’t need, like many others here. I’m also not accusing anyone here of being addicted to anything. Just to clear that up.

I just don’t think that Cannabis is without flaws, and it can be dangerous to just pretend that it is.

My main point is that anything, including Cannabis, can be abused, and that too much of anything can have negative consequences. What constitutes “too much” may vary widely from person to person, and that should be acknowledged instead of being ignored.

There are a few posts in this thread that are indicative of problematic Cannabis use patterns, and it would likely benefit the posters more if they were given constructive advice, rather than being told that what they are doing is no different than eating a healthy meal or drinking a glass of water.

If Cannabis is negatively affecting your grades, work, relationship, health, mentality, etc., you should be concerned and look into your relationship with the plant. Hopefully, you can make a few changes that will allow you to continue enjoying it without going overboard. If not, maybe it’s just not for you.
Beautifully put, @EverythingsHazy. When injesting anything, including cannabis, we need to consider cleanliness, purity, healthfulness, amount and effect on our bodies and in our lives. Just as people vary in temperament, they can vary in physical reaction and emotional and mental response. I came to cannabis later in life, in large part because I have a son who was/is addicted and I saw how that played out. It is part of a larger constellation of problems he has, and he is a person designed to abuse anything, be it substances, pets or people. Cannabis contributed to his problems to no small degree, and if my health hadn't been destroyed I would have not began using it at all. I'm glad I did, as it helps with my symptoms, but I would far prefer not to have symptoms at all. Unfortunately, we don't always know what we are injesting, or even that we are injesting it.
I don't think everyone who uses daily is addicted. I think dependence is different than addiction. I think regular usage is different than dependence. As responsible adults we have to consider how our actions effect ourselves and others, use our best judgement and make difficult choices. If Madri-Guy expressed the slightest bit of concern about my cannabis consumption, no matter how much I felt it helped, I would quit. He lives with me, and shouldn't have to deal with serious negatives about my usage. I don't want him dealing with any negatives at all, but I can see having a serious discussion about whether a prime sunny spot in the garden should be given to his tomatoes or my Devil's Lettuce .
I don't worry about coffee, as I don't drink but a cup a day, or less. I don't consume tobacco, and rarely drink. The only OTC med I use is Tylenol, but no more than 3 times a week. Any prescription medications are only taken after serious discussion with my physician, and alternatives discussed. I have 37 medication allergies, so this is taken very seriously. I become extremely nauseated from opiates and won't take them, including after surgery. I've given up meat, dairy, and any number of foods and never cared for salt. Excepting my cup of coffee, I prefer to drink water. This all works for me, and I am not suggesting the way I do things is right for anyone but me.
I am using cannabis on a daily basis, and am not addicted. I'm open to feedback from well meaning family and friends, or my physician, about any concerns they might have about my usage, and if problems develop I will quit. I just won't accept the label from strangers, or people unqualified to make a diagnosis.
 

Krazy

Well-Known Member
anything, including Cannabis, can be abused, and that too much of anything can have negative consequences. What constitutes “too much” may vary widely from person to person...
+1 Zillion.

If Cannabis is negatively affecting your grades, work, relationship, health, mentality, etc., you should be concerned and look into your relationship with the plant.
I agree with that as well.

I do have a problem with using the above as a metric for addiction as many docs and therapists do. I realize the worm is turning a bit in that regard and it isn't as much of a self fulfilling prophesy as back in the day.

What am I babbling about? Someone that is genuinely a better/healthier person for partaking; whether with a medical card or not: They are suddenly an addict simply because society doesn't approve. They are suddenly an addict simply because mom/wife, etc. doesn't approve.
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
I reckon it is kinda like being spoiled.........being spoiled is awesome!
Having someone love you enough to spoil you is the bomb diggity.
Acting spoiled is where the problems come in.........Acting spoiled is fucked and needs eradicating from our culture........lolz.
 

Madri-Gal

Child Of The Revolution
Yes, cognitive dissonance would prevent me from admitting any addictions I might have. Of course, I am flawless. :p
Goodness! I hope you don't think I was implying otherwise! I'd never forgive myself if you thought I thought you were less than flawless, @grampa_herb. If you were addicted, and you did have cognitive dissonance, I'm sure you would do both to perfection. As it is, I'm sure you are not doing both to perfection.
Wait, that didn't come out right...:leaf::leaf::leaf:
 

Trypsy Summers

Well-Known Member
I never said Cannabis wasn’t important to you, but if you were locked up in prison tonight, for the next five years, and given the choice of never having access to either food, water, or Cannabis, there would only be one choice that could possibly end with you surviving your sentence.

That’s because Cannabis isn’t necessary like food and water.

With all of that said, I’m not at all anti-Cannabis. I wouldn’t waste my time coming here if I thought it was all bad. I’m also not a big time pill popper. I avoid taking medications that I don’t need, like many others here. Lastly, I'm not accusing anyone here of being addicted to anything. I just wanted to clear that up.

I just don’t think that Cannabis is without flaws, and it can be dangerous to just pretend that it is.

My main point is that anything, including Cannabis, can be abused, and that too much of anything can have negative consequences. What constitutes “too much” may vary widely from person to person, and that should be acknowledged instead of being ignored.

There are a few posts in this thread that are indicative of problematic Cannabis use patterns, and it would likely benefit the posters more if they were given constructive advice, rather than being told that what they are doing is no different than eating a healthy meal or drinking a glass of water.

If Cannabis is negatively affecting your grades, work, relationship, health, mentality, etc., you should be concerned and look into your relationship with the plant. Hopefully, you can make a few changes that will allow you to continue enjoying it without going overboard. If not, maybe it’s just not for you.

@EverythingsHazy Okay now that I've read your statement, allow me to very quickly reply to some of the points you've made...:|

In the first instance; I can't really go with your hypothetical prison cell scenario, cos as I said previously, that's outside of my reality!:| But for the sake of humoring you, out of the choices on offer, I'd certainly go with the cannabis, as in my hypothetical scenario, I could obtain enough 'physical' food and moisture out of the fresh plant to get by, and I'd get the 'spiritual/medicinal food' from the bud! That’s because Cannabis can be as nourishing as food and water.;)
Indeed I wouldn't mind if you wanted to label me an addict, cos that label ain't gonna hurt me one tiny bit! I just wanted to clear that up!:uhh:

To be fair, I'm kinda at a loss as to the point you're making! Sorry it's that New Years Day 'glow' thing..

As for your next points; re Cannabis without flaws and that it can be abused etc, well my friend, that is hardly the fault of Cannabis and is more to do with the (ab)user, but to start censoring others cos one person can't hold their weed is - simply a non-starter! I have to say your analogy regarding the healthy meal, simply doesn't stack up - at all!
If Cannabis has the negative effects that you describe; then I would assert that the issue(s) is with the user, and they ought to go and sort themselves out, I am firmly camped within the - you can't blame cannabis for accentuating underlying issues, in some people - school of thought! But Hey that just me:tup:

Anyway I hope you can come out of your feelings, oh and before I forget, Happy New Year!:nod:

Pure Peace:leaf:
 

arb

Semi shaved ape
I'd certainly go with the cannabis, as in my hypothetical scenario, I could obtain enough 'physical' food and moisture out of the fresh plant to get by, and I'd get the 'spiritual/medicinal food' from the bud! That’s because Cannabis can be as nourishing as food and water.



This is so far removed from reality that I cannot even comprehend it.......lolz.
 
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