Combusting in New York

Decided to attend a weekend reunion/birthday in NYC on the spur of the moment (10 days for a pothead). So I booked a flight, ordered a MFLB from VapeWorld (with FC 12% Discount Code), weighed 3g of Skywalker, placed it in an airtight MJ prescription vial, and shipped it to myself Fedex 2 Day, two days before I left.

I knew the MFLB was a tight squeeze. It shipped Priority Mail from Boca the Monday before my Friday departure. If it didn't arrive Thursday, so I could pack it, I was shit outta luck... And it didn't!

So I arrive in New York and my Fedex is waiting, 3g of a grower friend's private Skywalker stash! The problem is I haven't combusted since the day I joined FC in April. To make a long story short I decided to combust. I'm happy to report it didn't kill me.

If anything combusting reminded me of why I started vaping. It was a shame to see the Skywalker go up in smoke in between tokes and disintegrate into ash. I tried to tamp the joint down in an ashtray to preserve the herb and it formed gooey round tar deposits hard to wash even with soap and hot water. The air conditioner blew flakes of ash around the room like Mount Vesuvius. The Skywalker was mild but the Zigzag made me cough.

You get the picture. Thought I'd share it. I thought about writing this for all my vaporist buddies while I was combusting in NY.

It's a rude awakening that first time you combust again, isn't it? I had a situation this week where my power went out for over 12 hours. My LB was ready, but the batteries weren't. I had forgotten to charge them the last time I used it. Even my extras were dead. So I did the only thing I could and combusted. So nasty. About half way through the doob, I was more than finished even if not as high as I wanted, but didn't want to waste the herb left. I knew it wouldn't vape well anymore so I forced myself to smoke the rest. Got a buzz, but I would no longer call it a good one. I had a slight headache and was a little nauseous. I much prefer the buzz from vaping now. I will never forget to charge my batteries again!

Pappy said:

The air conditioner blew flakes of ash around the room like Mount Vesuvius.

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Great visuals.

momofthegoons said:

I will never forget to charge my batteries again!

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I know exactly how you feel! Being in a state where we tend to lose power quite a bit, I decided to take precautions. I currently have 15 batteries pre-charged, and ready to go. I have a total of 18 low discharge batteries, total. Some people say it's overkill. I say it's being prepared.

momofthegoons said:

It's a rude awakening that first time you combust again, isn't it?

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A joint hit will never equal a hit of vapor. But having smoked reefer 48 years I'm not quite as condescending. An emergency is an emergency!

The three spliffs I smoked in NY won't kill me but the cumulative effect of smoking a joint a day for close to half a century leads me to breathe easier I have now discovered vaporizing.

Did I happen to mention Pappy just turned 64?

Yes true believers ,the true path is out of the smoke and into the vapour..
I also hadn't lit up much since april when my LB came. Some friends
came by with prerolled doobs and they fired them up. Whew ! what a stench, After to big pulls
on really great shit I had to give it up. Not to be snobbish but ,good god, what the fuck
had I been doing to myself every day for the last 30+ years. Good to see the light..

i'm no vapor snob. i never combust at home but if someone passes me a joint i'll burn one. on backpacking trips in the mountains i'd much rather pack a lighter and a small bowl instead of the lb & batts to save weight.

I recently passed up free combustion from a buddy. He thought I was a snob now.
I'm not completely against it, but if I can wait 45 minutes and vape instead.. why not?

I like combusting the vape will never be the same as a nice blunt or a fat bong rip.

I've turned down combusting a few times since discovering vaporizing, even more recently. I'm usually vapedd when I get anywhere, and if I'm staying long enough I'll bring the DBV. I had a friend who doesn't have a vaporizer, and always smokes blunts. I just can't join in on it anymore. Headache, bad taste, tired. All results of combustion for me anymore.

Somewhat off topic but good news... New study suggest vaporizing reduces the harm of ingesting marijuana.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20451365

Int J Drug Policy. 2010 May 5. [Epub ahead of print]
Pulmonary function in cannabis users: Support for a clinical trial of the vaporizer.
Van Dam NT, Earleywine M.

Department of Psychology, University at Albany, SUNY, United States.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: Debates about cannabis policy often mention respiratory symptoms as a negative consequence of use. The cannabis vaporizer, a machine that heats the plant to release cannabinoids in a mist without smoke and other respiratory irritants, appears to have the potential to minimize respiratory complaints. METHODS: Twenty frequent cannabis users (uninterested in treatment) reporting at least two respiratory symptoms completed subjective ratings of respiratory symptoms and spirometry measures prior to and following 1 month's use of a cannabis vaporizer in a pre/post-design. Outcome measures included self-reported severity of nine respiratory symptoms as well as spirometry measures, including the maximum amount of air exhaled in 1s (forced expiratory volume; FEV1) and maximum total lung volume (forced vital capacity; FVC). RESULTS: The 12 participants who did not develop a respiratory illness during the trial significantly improved respiratory symptoms (t(11)=6.22, p=0.000065, d=3.75) and FVC, t(11)=2.90, p=0.007, d=1.75. FEV1 improved but not significantly t(11)=1.77, p=0.053, d=1.07. CONCLUSIONS: These preliminary data reveal meaningful improvements in respiratory function, suggesting that a randomized clinical trial of the cannabis vaporizer is warranted. The vaporizer has potential for the administration of medical cannabis and as a harm reduction technique. Copyright 2010 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved.

This study was linked to in another thread a little while ago, I have the PDF with the whole study if anyone wants it. Interesting findings, but id love to see more money put into proper research.

For a few years, until Monday, I'd only combusted the odd hit here and there when offered by others. I did gravity bongs all day Monday to see what it would be like. Tuesday morning I just felt wrecked. Like my lungs and throat were full of crud. And I had the taste of tar in my mouth.

Vaped a couple bowls and then I was right as rain.

anslinger said:

For a few years, until Monday, I'd only combusted the odd hit here and there when offered by others. I did gravity bongs all day Monday to see what it would be like. Tuesday morning I just felt wrecked. Like my lungs and throat were full of crud. And I had the taste of tar in my mouth.

Vaped a couple bowls and then I was right as rain.

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No doubt about, the tar and particulates put a damper on combusting the moment one begins to vape.

My vapman has been out of commission for the past 2 monthes... had to take a journey to switzerland and the low keyness of vaping is the thing that I missed the most... granted i started getting black shit in my lungs combustion
but the lack of stinking up my room and my clothing has gotten me out of trouble for quite some time...

malawigold said:

My vapman has been out of commission for the past 2 monthes... had to take a journey to switzerland and the low keyness of vaping is the thing that I missed the most... granted i started getting black shit in my lungs combustion
but the lack of stinking up my room and my clothing has gotten me out of trouble for quite some time...

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I believe all cannabis takers should be allowed to travel globally with 1 oz in their possession and paraphernalia to vape it. Of course I'm writing this right now from the happy farm.

momofthegoons said:

So I did the only thing I could and combusted. So nasty. About half way through the doob, I was more than finished even if not as high as I wanted, but didn't want to waste the herb left. I knew it wouldn't vape well anymore so I forced myself to smoke the rest. Got a buzz, but I would no longer call it a good one. I had a slight headache and was a little nauseous.

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that's just bad weed... Joints taste great btw, but even if you hate the taste... a joint of mids will get you ripped. Headaches? that sounds like the work of schwag.

^^^^^^^
I think it was more the difference in buzz between smoking and vaping that turned me off. I much prefer the buzz from vaping now; it's cleaner. I prefer it to the buzz I get smoking the same herb. And while this wasn't medicinal quality herb, it wasn't schwag either. It really surprised me since I smoked for so many years and enjoyed it immensely. I've tried smoking a couple of times now since switching over to vaping with the same results every time.

momofthegoons said:

^^^^^^^
I think it was more the difference in buzz between smoking and vaping that turned me off. I much prefer the buzz from vaping now; it's cleaner. I prefer it to the buzz I get smoking the same herb. And while this wasn't medicinal quality herb, it wasn't schwag either. It really surprised me since I smoked for so many years and enjoyed it immensely. I've tried smoking a couple of times now since switching over to vaping with the same results every time.

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I very much prefer a vape over smoke but when circumstance dictates, I have no problem firing one up.

I started grinding all my weed now before it goes in the vape. At the end of the week the keif chamber is always loaded with tons of that golden goodness. Put it in a pollen presser and smoke that hash.. You should try it. It's an amazing smoke. Even though I love vaping, that "hash" high is much stronger. And the flavor of pure keif? Mucho bueno.

bluntfaced said:

I like combusting the vape will never be the same as a nice blunt or a fat bong rip.

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Yes it will, get a SSV & attach a bong. Load up a fat half bowl rip that n tell me how u feel..

Come on! a great vape with proper technique will twist your knot
better and deeper without the paranoia that combusting does.
I've become a stoned social butterfly since vaping. Before I was
to anxious to hang in crowds now I can embrace the masses .
NYC masses, BKLN mases. BX masses, and Queens masses.

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bluntfaced said:

I like combusting the vape will never be the same as a nice blunt or a fat bong rip.

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Yes it will, get a SSV & attach a bong. Load up a fat half bowl rip that n tell me how u feel..

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No, it won't.

I've gotten incredibly high off extremes, volcanoes, vapolutions, my launch box and various combos, I've gotten higher off vapes than you could probably imagine. But smoking a nice blunt is about every part of the experience, I enjoy it quite a bit and I also enjoy twisting them. It certainly won't get me as high as vaping the same amount of weed but it is a different high and in my opinion, a more enjoyable social experience.

A bong rip will never get me as STONED as the vape will. All the herb is hitting you at once, where as a vape takes a couple minutes at least to go through that amount of herb. I'm sure it's also because of the shit I'm inhaling from the smoke and all those high temp actives but whatever. Same with the blunt, as well as the nicotine in the wrap.

It's just different, it's not a linear scale, and it's certainly an opinion. So state your own, but don't discredit mine. I've also used a heat gun/bong combo which probably got me the closest to bong stoned, much more than a whip style vape. It was still not the same though. Which is what I said in the first place, not that is would never get me as high.

Shalom

Hey bluntfaced, thanks for reminding everyone this is IMO in the extreme. Your high is your experience and is just as valid as anybody's high. I too suffer from blunt withdrawal, but every time I try to light up ; the taste and overall sensation is no longer enjoyable. Again, these are my feelings and as an old head who only rolled with rice paper anyway all I can say is enjoy that blunt, and take a real good toke for all of us.

Been vaping ever since my NYC detour, never looked back.
I love vapin'!