Dynavap VapCap
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Regarding IHs...
DV's battery free selling point will be unaffected as you still don't need batteries or power... It's just an option, but the stove will still work also.
And regarding the release date of DV's IH... I have no solid info, but my guess is that it won't be this year.. Haven't seen enough evidence to believe it's that far through testing. Just my thoughts..
Why is it taking DV so long? Because they want to get this right for reliability, performance both in function and maintenance. There are a lot of things to go wrong on a product like this, and at over $150 each (guess) and hundreds of them likely to ship out in the first week of sales... I don't think anyone wants DV to go under because they invested and released a product that wasn't ready and had huge failure rates once out in the wild.
And as for the question of how other people have managed to make & sell IHs while we are still waiting for DV... Well simply, they all use the same cheap Chinese IH unit that isn't THAT reliable, just like the cheap BMS units being used that also break or have faults from the factory.
Pretty sure DV will be making their own custom circuit boards... Can't see George selling heaters with that cheapo chinese IH at the heart of it..
DV's battery free selling point will be unaffected as you still don't need batteries or power... It's just an option, but the stove will still work also.
And regarding the release date of DV's IH... I have no solid info, but my guess is that it won't be this year.. Haven't seen enough evidence to believe it's that far through testing. Just my thoughts..
Why is it taking DV so long? Because they want to get this right for reliability, performance both in function and maintenance. There are a lot of things to go wrong on a product like this, and at over $150 each (guess) and hundreds of them likely to ship out in the first week of sales... I don't think anyone wants DV to go under because they invested and released a product that wasn't ready and had huge failure rates once out in the wild.
And as for the question of how other people have managed to make & sell IHs while we are still waiting for DV... Well simply, they all use the same cheap Chinese IH unit that isn't THAT reliable, just like the cheap BMS units being used that also break or have faults from the factory.
Pretty sure DV will be making their own custom circuit boards... Can't see George selling heaters with that cheapo chinese IH at the heart of it..
So is pipes using cheap Chinese internals?
If so count me out, I’d rather wait for a reliable IH from DV.
If so count me out, I’d rather wait for a reliable IH from DV.
Pipes def was using them. It's not a criticism of these makers.. Pipes is obviously a legend.. Just that its different making 20 a month as a hobbyist, and being a company like DV who will probably hope to sell hundreds if not thousands in the first few months...
beyond6strings
Just another traveller in the Cannaverse
I've not had an IH in several months now, and I do miss it. But not a lot.
And given that money is tight now I'm just not sure I'll invest $100-$200 in something that is basically a battery powered lighter.
I've got a nice table top torch that hold lots of fuel and heats tips up very quickly, and allows me to lock the flame on. Very easy. And it was $20 or so from Amazon.
That said, now that allergies have abated a bit I just had a wonderful session with my '18M XLS natively for the first time in months. Nice.
Yesterday I learned again, and at a deeper level why I love the @DDave Water Wands so much. 1) they make such lovely reclaim for my Sunday coffee with 'honey' and 2) they are so frigging easy to clean. Of all my vapes and accessories those are easily the best all-around tool I have in my vape cabinet.
And given that money is tight now I'm just not sure I'll invest $100-$200 in something that is basically a battery powered lighter.
I've got a nice table top torch that hold lots of fuel and heats tips up very quickly, and allows me to lock the flame on. Very easy. And it was $20 or so from Amazon.
That said, now that allergies have abated a bit I just had a wonderful session with my '18M XLS natively for the first time in months. Nice.
Yesterday I learned again, and at a deeper level why I love the @DDave Water Wands so much. 1) they make such lovely reclaim for my Sunday coffee with 'honey' and 2) they are so frigging easy to clean. Of all my vapes and accessories those are easily the best all-around tool I have in my vape cabinet.
stark1
Lonesome Planet
Having had a Pipes IH for a while, I would say that they are hardy souls.
It is of course your Choice, but for my money I would rather enjoy the experience now, than wait for one down the Uncertain line, with Agent Orange pushing the Easy Button.
YMMV
Nov 14-16
Summer
Long Island, NY
-dab8-
Dyna-saur
Which table top torch do you have?
I haven’t worked with him personally yet. All the other’s I have. He has long been on my list, and obviously has rave reviews.
@I'm Ron Burgundy? Pipes does buy Chinese IH's.
The board is incredibly simple but there have been problems with them. The demand must have gone up exponentially.
For quite a while now @Pipes has been stripping out the components and rebuilding each board.
If you like it's Chinese parts assembled in Canada.
I'd imagine the electronics in the DVIH will also be Chinese.
I do know that George will not be rolling out his version until he is 100% happy with it.
Thank you @stark1 and @Summer.
The board is incredibly simple but there have been problems with them. The demand must have gone up exponentially.
For quite a while now @Pipes has been stripping out the components and rebuilding each board.
If you like it's Chinese parts assembled in Canada.
I'd imagine the electronics in the DVIH will also be Chinese.
I do know that George will not be rolling out his version until he is 100% happy with it.
Thank you @stark1 and @Summer.
Greetings @Helios
That I do.
Sent in 8 designs to my glass maker. Once I get prototypes and test them out, the ones that test as expected will get pushed to production.
The ones that don't will either get scrapped or redesigned, dependent on how they perform.
No ETA available yet. Those 8 designs were part of a batch of 47 requested prototypes.
I'll post pics of the prototypes once they arrive.
Thanks,
DDave
beyond6strings
Just another traveller in the Cannaverse
stark1
Lonesome Planet
If you like something a bit smaller, “this thing rips” they say
( However, do make sure that the seller is up, and running, as it will be mailed from fire ravaged Cali )
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ThisThingR...101083?hash=item3d4108cddb:g:M~gAAOSw4YJZY-cv
( However, do make sure that the seller is up, and running, as it will be mailed from fire ravaged Cali )
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ThisThingR...101083?hash=item3d4108cddb:g:M~gAAOSw4YJZY-cv
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Getting a Portside was what pushed me over to using nothing but my VC. On those very rare vaping out and about a lighter is fine; BUT, I much prefer induction.
Yep. Thankfully it's only a matter of when, not if.
D-12. 
Easy
I really do not want to derail the thread but I feel that I should make some notes ,after reading the last couple of pages of this thread .
First .If something is made in China that does not necessarily means that is of bad or mediocre quality .
Actually the 5-12 V ZVS I.H. module is made of very few parts .
The pcb itself is very well made for the job and does not to be gold-plated or having other ,
comin' directly of " hi-end audio " world ,qualities .
Most of parts are of very good quality ,except the two MOSFETS ,that Pipes does replace at once with higher quality branded ones ,for every device he's making .
Most of the available devices,especially the DIY ones , can be problematic because they are not actually complete devices,
but encased modules .
Most of times they might be lacking quite a few things .
Like good soldering job on the module itself .Or between the work -coil and the modules coil pads .
MOSFETs are very sensitive devices .They get fried instantly IF something small ,a tiny detail, a small fault was left unfixed .
For example :
You have made your new IH device with that chinese ZVS module .
You have also added thermal protection at the coil ,de bouncing circuit at the tactile switch ,a fuse and so on ...
And you power it not from batteries ,but using a power supply .
You plug the whole rig together and you test it .
It works perfectly !!!
How nice is that !
After having couple of caps ,you unplug the mains socket of the power supply unit
(your IH device still remains connected to the PSU itself ) .
You notice that couple of LED light are still on (i.e. the psu LED and/or the IH power LED ) ...
And you decide to press the button / tactile switch for one last draw ...
Guess what .
You 've just fried your IH device .
Because it's not a proper device .It's just a module inside a case .
No matter what other sub -circuit they may have been added for extra protection and stability .
It's not a device made and tested by specialists .
last time I heard that DV was testing version six . Or was it version seven ?
That's the difference .
Myself ,Pipes ,fluxerheaters and many others that might be building their own IH devices or for selling
can not compete with a team of electronic engineers ,paid to design and make " this device for that purpose ".
BTW ,there is that SJK device .
Chinese ,but enough well made .
Thing is that is not actually made to heat such mass of metal ,like a VC tip & cap combo has .
It's work coil is made of very thin wire ,wrapped many-many times ,while having a very short length (as coil,not as wire ).
So ,the operating current is very low ( higher AMPERAGE is needed to heat some metal mass ) ,
while the coil is made to induce a very strong magnetic field on a very small length range .
This device is made to heat small and thin metal objects ,like a scalpel or any other wax-carving tool.
At most couple of grams of metal .
A titanium tip with a cap is close to 4 grams ,while a M tip with it's cap is close to 6-7 grams.
Heating a VC with a SJK device will cause overheating of the work coil of the device
and /or possibly overheating or even failure of other sub-circuits or electronic parts .
It's not the right device .The work coil should be like the one the ZVS module comes with .
At least 1 mm of wire diameter is needed for the job (to " handle " the appropriate -high- amperage ) .
Over and out .
Back to the thread's rails...
First .If something is made in China that does not necessarily means that is of bad or mediocre quality .
Actually the 5-12 V ZVS I.H. module is made of very few parts .
The pcb itself is very well made for the job and does not to be gold-plated or having other ,
comin' directly of " hi-end audio " world ,qualities .
Most of parts are of very good quality ,except the two MOSFETS ,that Pipes does replace at once with higher quality branded ones ,for every device he's making .
Most of the available devices,especially the DIY ones , can be problematic because they are not actually complete devices,
but encased modules .
Most of times they might be lacking quite a few things .
Like good soldering job on the module itself .Or between the work -coil and the modules coil pads .
MOSFETs are very sensitive devices .They get fried instantly IF something small ,a tiny detail, a small fault was left unfixed .
For example :
You have made your new IH device with that chinese ZVS module .
You have also added thermal protection at the coil ,de bouncing circuit at the tactile switch ,a fuse and so on ...
And you power it not from batteries ,but using a power supply .
You plug the whole rig together and you test it .
It works perfectly !!!
How nice is that !
After having couple of caps ,you unplug the mains socket of the power supply unit
(your IH device still remains connected to the PSU itself ) .
You notice that couple of LED light are still on (i.e. the psu LED and/or the IH power LED ) ...
And you decide to press the button / tactile switch for one last draw ...
Guess what .
You 've just fried your IH device .
Because it's not a proper device .It's just a module inside a case .
No matter what other sub -circuit they may have been added for extra protection and stability .
It's not a device made and tested by specialists .
last time I heard that DV was testing version six . Or was it version seven ?
That's the difference .
Myself ,Pipes ,fluxerheaters and many others that might be building their own IH devices or for selling
can not compete with a team of electronic engineers ,paid to design and make " this device for that purpose ".
BTW ,there is that SJK device .
Chinese ,but enough well made .
Thing is that is not actually made to heat such mass of metal ,like a VC tip & cap combo has .
It's work coil is made of very thin wire ,wrapped many-many times ,while having a very short length (as coil,not as wire ).
So ,the operating current is very low ( higher AMPERAGE is needed to heat some metal mass ) ,
while the coil is made to induce a very strong magnetic field on a very small length range .
This device is made to heat small and thin metal objects ,like a scalpel or any other wax-carving tool.
At most couple of grams of metal .
A titanium tip with a cap is close to 4 grams ,while a M tip with it's cap is close to 6-7 grams.
Heating a VC with a SJK device will cause overheating of the work coil of the device
and /or possibly overheating or even failure of other sub-circuits or electronic parts .
It's not the right device .The work coil should be like the one the ZVS module comes with .
At least 1 mm of wire diameter is needed for the job (to " handle " the appropriate -high- amperage ) .
Over and out .
Back to the thread's rails...
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NizzyJones
Well-Known Member
eBay does have an option to report items as counterfeit (first option is report category 'copyright and trademark').
stark1
Lonesome Planet
Don’t be giving away the secret of the clicks, Bud! 
They will most likely be unloading the “tens of thousands” of useless caps they have on unsuspecting
marks like myself. LOL
Of course they may be able to modify their caps by uncrimping them, placing discs in them,
and re-crimping. Tedious task.
Oops
They will most likely be unloading the “tens of thousands” of useless caps they have on unsuspecting
marks like myself. LOL
Of course they may be able to modify their caps by uncrimping them, placing discs in them,
and re-crimping. Tedious task.
Oops
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-dab8-
Dyna-saur
I mentioned I’d seen these. The seller does admit it’s a replica, and that if you want a working cap they are only $19.99 from DynaVap, or you can learn to time it so you don’t combust.Don’t be giving away the secret of the clicks, Bud!
They will most likely be unloading the “tens of thousands” of useless caps they have on unsuspecting
marks like myself. LOL
Of course they may be able to modify their caps by uncrimping them, placing discs in them,
and re-crimping. Tedious task.
I thought about reporting them.
Can’t decide if that’s an a-hole move, or if it’s an a-hole move NOT to...
Vaporware
Well-Known Member
If it’s branded with “Dynavap” then it’s a clear case of counterfeiting rather than just copying...it’s a little more muddy if the person selling it is listing it as a “replica”, and maybe that would give ebay room to leave it up, but I’d report it.
I think there are a lot of problems with “intellectual property” and I think it’s doing a lot more to stifle innovation than to encourage it, but copying something directly and putting the original company’s name on it is clearly an attempt to deceive people and sell what are probably inferior and possibly dangerous products under someone else’s name.
I don’t know whether or not these are safe to use, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they used metals with a lot of lead in them for example. I don’t think anyone’s determined exactly what they’re made of.