Discontinued Splinter Z by RBT

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HerbieVonVapster

HerbieVonVapster

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Temperature Coefficient of Resistance (TCR) - which is a single value describing the relationship between temperature and resistance of a wire in a linear fashion. If we want a more accurate description, we need to do so non-linearly. Although we can, in principle, use a mathematical fitting to get a decent non-linear curve, if we were to put that into a microchip on a mod we have to install a much more advanced microchip and firmware.
An easier method is to have different linear curves describe different temperature ranges - these are known as Temperature Factors of Resistance (TFR). Using TFR instead of TCR helps to give a smoother temperature curve (which can lead to less sudden drops in power), and more accurate and defined temperature ranges - you might get a bit more power in the lower ranges (120 to 150 °C) than a TCR-based mod, and more accuracy near the higher end of the spectrum.

TFR curves are also helpful when using non-standard wire or funky TC builds. However, TCR is usually more than good enough for a decent TC vape.

Above is a excerpt from this linked post concerning TC. Little dated but still good at explaining TC usage.

https://www.ecigssa.co.za/guide-to-fine-tuning-temp-control-vaping.t18206/
 
AJS

AJS

Calm Consistency
Still using my 2hole Z daily, it is my top driver. There's nothing about this vape that could make me more satisfied. Performance is absolutely incredible. It is my go to vape when I want the thickest, most full bodied lung busting rip. It does it flawlessly every time. Super easy to use.
 
started@52

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kurt6652 said:
The z is a beast, I finally have my mod running tcr and my throat is happier.

It has so much heat and power, love it.

Mine is a 4 hole bubinga and it is beautiful, the wood has travel, under different light conditions the wood grain changes.....
Maybe I am baked.......
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Pic of bubinga if possible?
 
kurt6652

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I don't know how to do pictures yet Sorry. I just got a smartphone 3 months ago.
kurt6652 said:
The z is a beast, I finally have my mod running tcr and my throat is happier.

It has so much heat and power, love it.

Mine is a 4 hole bubinga and it is beautiful, the wood has travel, under different light conditions the wood grain changes.....
Maybe I am baked.......
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Stu

Stu

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ChooChooCharlie said:
@Stu , I meant you'd be getting the Z with the mod, all setup, ready to load and fire. Hoping you could test with your thermocouple. To see what my 500F setting translates to in reality, and to see how the temp curve behaves during draw. Test only after your human assay first, and only if you have the time
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Here ya go, Charlie. My lab assistant @Buildozer and I just ran this test using your settings. I'll let you guess how many hits Buildozer took... ;)

Green arrow = start draw, red arrow = end draw.

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Nothing too surprising to me, but interesting to see the temp slopes nonetheless. :science:

:peace:

Edited to point out start/end draw.

Edit 2: Moved the second red arrow. I didn't video the test which I often do to get exact start/stop points so the arrows are my best memory of watching the temp readout during the test. My lack of proper sciencing should be taken into consideration here. :doh:
 
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ChooChooCharlie

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@Stu and @Buildozer - thank you for the testing! Great graphs as usual, @Stu . Looks like four draws at around fifteen seconds each. I assume that pressing fire button for a few seconds before draw does not affect bowl temp?

Suspected it might be going a bit over 200C. Wanted it to get good hits. Nice to see objective numbers.

To further the research, was hoping you would send it to @HerbieVonVapster

If Herbie is interested in trying this Z on his mod and temp setting. For diagnostics/determine root cause for difference. Herbie Loves Bugs
 
HerbieVonVapster

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ChooChooCharlie said:
@Stu and @Buildozer - thank you for the testing! Great graphs as usual, @Stu . Looks like four draws at around fifteen seconds each. I assume that pressing fire button for a few seconds before draw does not affect bowl temp?

Suspected it might be going a bit over 200C. Wanted it to get good hits. Nice to see objective numbers.

To further the research, was hoping you would send it to @HerbieVonVapster

If Herbie is interested in trying this Z on his mod and temp setting. For diagnostics/determine root cause for difference. Herbie Loves Bugs
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Sure if Stu can send both mod and device that way I can send them both back working together.

The good sign shows it's steady on on maintaining temperature before the draw.
The big drops are between hits if understanding it correct? Durning hits looks like it's still fluctuating by a bit to much rather see it closer to a couple degrees. Unsure why 2nd test turned out lower.

Going be interesting see if the escribe graph plots out the same way as it does for you.

I hoping it will, if escribe plots it out the same way then be easier tweak it. Being able to save the setting you using as comparison might help.

Thanks again @Stu or running test the info's going help. So set on 500 degrees it reading as only 200C? (392 degree) that does make's sense since @ChooChooCharlie was getting descent vaporers.

Going search around the triade info see if it might be the wrong resistance in the escribe triade file I used. Or if it's something to with wrong material cvs.
 
HerbieVonVapster

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For me the first draw is always a cooler hit on convection device. It's the one that I do a cigar style puff hit with.

Find that's common in convection style vaporizer. I consider it a plus since allows the first hit have a lot of flavor. Instead of some of the flavor lost in conduction heating you get to enjoy it instead.
 
nachooo

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Hi all, Is the Z avalaible in Europe right now? Seems that vapefiend only sells the splinter…
I am a vapcap user , I like it but I am a heavy user and I have to be constantly vaping with the vapcap M to reach my desired level. I have considered the mighty..but as I have a mod for ecigs I think maybe the Z is the way to go...
Thanks for reading
 
pxl_jockey

pxl_jockey

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I’m just discovering and becoming curious about the Splinter Z, and I don’t own or know anything about box mods really. I’ve been focused on the desktop side of things lately and that’s where I’m spending next. But more & more members I really admire have been talking up the offerings in this new segment of dry herb portables so I guess I should start paying attention. Like I need more stuff to budget for... :mental:
 
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nachooo said:
Hi all, Is the Z avalaible in Europe right now? Seems that vapefiend only sells the splinter…
I am a vapcap user , I like it but I am a heavy user and I have to be constantly vaping with the vapcap M to reach my desired level. I have considered the mighty..but as I have a mod for ecigs I think maybe the Z is the way to go...
Thanks for reading
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Well please try not to listen and promise not to tell anybody else (yet) ;) but Vapefiend has a small number of Z's en route for any week now I expect.
I think I do wany one myself (so sshhh!) hehe. But I strongly expect more orders to follow, providing Ryan keeps production of Z's going hopefully there will be plenty of opportunity for us Europeans to get involved in the action.

I personally would be looking to use the Z with water at home, it does sound like the Splinters would be too hot for me dry.
 
SloJimFizz

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Absolutely love my Splinter Z on the Wismec Reuleaux RX2/3. Having different backs for either two or three battery configuration is brilliant. Rolling with 2 for now, but love the option of more battery life if needed.
My Z's cold ohms is .373, little lower than both @ChooChooCharlie and @HerbieVonVapster
Using funkyjunky firmware which I've had the most success with, has awesome features and less variables for me have to tweek. Cold ohms locked in, M1= 230, 50 watts. Finding the proper M1 number takes a little :sherlock:

:love:

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Chicken Charlie

Chicken Charlie

MicroDose Cognoscente
Stellar customer service from RBT! I had a billing issue relative to my Splinter Z purchase; and emailed Ryan when it surfaced on Saturday. Issue resolved with sincere apologies concurrent with a detailed explanation of error within 15 minutes. Thank-you Stephanie!
 
HerbieVonVapster

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SloJimFizz said:
Absolutely love my Splinter Z on the Wismec Reuleaux RX2/3. Having different backs for either two or three battery configuration is brilliant. Rolling with 2 for now, but love the option of more battery life if needed.
My Z's cold ohms is .373, little lower than both @ChooChooCharlie and @HerbieVonVapster
Using funkyjunky firmware which I've had the most success with, has awesome features and less variables for me have to tweek. Cold ohms locked in, M1= 230, 50 watts. Finding the proper M1 number takes a little :sherlock:

:love:
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Looks good on the gold mod. Thought about getting and RX2/3 but at the time wanted red/black one and couldn't find good deal. Ended up with the DNA's. Almost picked one again to have FJ cruise for stempod. Then found sur_evic ran on the P80 I have. Always liked there look and having options for 3 batteries is a big plus.

Funky Junky use's a tweaked material file for his device thats very close to 316L material file. Works good on other mods sharing same firmware. MI are the TCR settings if I'm correct?

Going try move the follow up DNA mod info to TC firmware area. Since learned few new things that effect just DNA mods over a specify device.
 
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