Divine Tribe atty's

Well, I could have posted this 2 weeks ago, but I was hoping to get in more usage to make a better base of experience to comment on. In my latest re-supply package with a massive dump of 7mm donuts and ceramic rods from DT, I also received one of these proto-type V4 quartz donut attys. Having seen the pics and videos for a while, I was eager to try it out...



On the exterior, it looks similar to alot of other LAYG attys, right? Actually looks exactly like the "jet stream" RDA from the outside, and uses the exact same top cap / mouthpiece with the directional air tubes. Still a 22mm atty, it looks good with an SS mod like this primo mini



That's a big ole' bucket, yes. The quartz is nice and smooth like on our "V2" QQs, but it is also thin like the quartz on the V1 QQ




And here you can see how Matt mentioned that the bottom of the big quartz bucket does not reach the floor, allowing for some wobble. Adding a circular metal ridge or guide on the base and lengthening the quartz bucket slightly should allow it to sit firm & securely like our quartz cups riding that metal saddle tight on our QQs



Around the metal base here is where that circle guide for the quartz bucket should go. The metal base is simple and easy to rebuild here, should be familiar to anyone with a V3 donut atty, much easier to rebuild than the QQ. I don't know what is the function of that big ceramic spacer under the donut? Can that be eliminated? I was able to get a decent session going without it. The spacer does little more than guide the wires and hold up the donut, but it seems unnecessary. Just acts as a heat-sponge, if anything.

Also not pictured here, the holes for the wires to enter the posts on top is much tighter for the leads, and the hollow innards of the posts also fit tighter with the wires on the inside. The screw holes also clamp the leads more flat and evenly. This should allow you to screw the wire leads for the donut super tight without risking breaking or bending them, like is possible on the V3. No need to "shim" the insides of your posts for maximum conductivity now.


And here's that other part that can make this atty special: the dual directional air tube cap. For default, dry usage, it has a high-airflow, splash-proof drip tip. Also a great bonus: the V4 / Jetstream cap is compatible with the glass 18mm male mouthpiece / tip that is already available for the Gen2 herb atty! Hydratube connections from day 1, great!

The size of the jet stream glass and metal tips is too big for the standard 510 drip tips, but it is also too small for the 810-sized drip tips on my big smok x-baby tanks. Being in between those sizes, why don't we call them...

710 drip tips?


So it's time to test this thing out, Matt advised some relatively high TCR #s, so after some initial dry heat-ups and some rough, spotty IR measurements, it was time to load'n'go

I don't test brand new attys with sauce. Some lowly old dry crumbles will do. Less pressure to perform right away when mod settings are indeterminate.





This type of crumby crumble can be quite annoying to load on an open donut or the smaller QQ because it easily wants to fall under the donut in the cup where it isn't vaped right away, or under the quartz cup to the nether regions. This open bucket is perfect for loading this crap concentrate.


Skipping the dry try, I rigged up this simple GonG angled adapter to hook up that glass 18mm tip from the dry herb atty straight to my D-020-d9. Usually I would rig up a SonG connection for flexibility and compatibility with a greater array of mod sizes, but this setup just seemed too simple and right.


So after all this, how does it work?

Well it did work, although I didn't get the instant-super cloud like in Matt's vid. Maybe it was my more meager load of crumble more fitting of a prohibition-state regular working guy. I feel that my heat / TCR settings could have been better, and I inched it higher and higher to get more cloud without getting very harsh too. Maybe the wobble of the cup hurt the vapor output; perhaps the bucket can sit lower and actually contact the donut rather than be only in very close proximity?

Using the top airflow tubes, spinning it, and tilting & angling the mod during use to chase the oil around the bucket is fun and you can see the feedback & output of this through a glass globe topper like I have set up. I miss the open glass cap that lets you see your oil swirling like on the QQ though. The QQ glass top actually almost fits the V4 good, it fits over the bucket and the single air tube will point at the middle, but it won't seat all the way on the bottom of the 2 o-rings on the base.

I would love to give you guys a more solid up / down preview (not review) of this atty, but more extensive testing was cut short when my sole quartz bucket developed a big crack and chunk broke off after only 4 loads. Quite disappointing, but not very surprising with this thin quartz. I think Matt told me this happened to him on one of his early V4 buckets also. Damn...

To be fair, this might have been partially "my bad" as I was attempting to pull a cheap-guy treat for myself, taking 4 or 5 "empty" raw garden jars and scraping up the last, saucy remnants to mix a big oily blob on the bucket. I used a steel needle to twirl small dabs of scooped sauce against the side wall of the cup several times. The needle with the cold, semi-hard sauce being rubbed laterally against the wobble-prone quartz cup so many times probably caused the crack. Damn...preventable perhaps. But with improvements in the final release version, including a more solid bucket-to-base seal, and hopefully thicker quartz? should make this a rare problem hopefully.

And cheap, available, easy-to-replace parts should make a cracked bucket or busted donut NBD in the future.

So basically...this design looks to hold big promise, with these minor bugs being addressed, this could be a big bucket to compete with the best!

invertedisdead said:

No worries brother, Beezle is the first brand I saw do the live resin sauce flavored distillate. That's where I got the idea from. Now Nativ is doing distillate flavored with rosin sauce. That's right up my alley and one I'm really wanting to try.

Blue River claims to use a special high performance Pax Era pod fitted with a silicon carbide wick. I want to try their pods more than any other, but availability in SoCal is pretty low right now. Price is also very high but you tend to get what you pay for with these things right now.

That's interesting you give Jetty the thumbs up, I was really turned off by their products I tried last year, but I noticed now they are asking $60 for a half gram pod so perhaps they have really stepped things up or something? Invested in some new tech? I definitely wanna try every cart that actually tastes like a quartz nail hit though! I'd just assume retire the entire vaporizer collection the day I can have a few fantastic pod flavors on deck to swap around with. It seems that day is nearly here...!! I honestly see nail hits going out of style.


I notice more and more brands are claiming to use reintroduced cannabis derived terpenes now - but I can't quite tell how many are being truthful or not. Do pure isolated terpenes just tend to taste like essential oils, even if they actually come from cannabis itself? I just don't see how isolated terpenes can compare to a more full spectrum sauces as far as flavoring distillate goes.

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Hey, I just want to make clear here, even though I mentioned those 4 or 5 brands for fernand as brands with products (tanks / applicators) with the actual, strain-specific, "derived from the same flowers as the concentrate is from" re-introduced terps, as opposed to those fake, non-canna, food-grade, whatever-else terps.

But I did not specifically go so far as to claim those 4 brands I like also have complete "full spectrum" terps which can only really be extracted from a multi-solvent live-resin type HTFSE extraction, which we will agree is the best type of terp profile to enjoy for general dabbing, and also for mixing with distillate in our tanks / carts!

The jettys I do like, but it has more of a typical 'co2' type terpene profile. Can be very tasty, subtle, sappy, a little hashy sometimes, with authentic strain notes coming through. Rich, but not "full spectrum" capturing almost every kind of terp like HTFSE. Some of the more volatile terps (monoterpenes? sesquiterpenes? i forget which type is which) are usually lost on co2 extractions but they are preserved with live resin extractions.

Even if not live resin, I like their stuff. I can imagine that their pods or pre-carts could be quite mediocre and un-impressive, especially on a pen-battery, so I'm not surprised if Jetty didn't impress you. Now if you tried their oil in one of my triple-donut cubis mini tanks, or the giant smok-stack x-baby RBA with ceramic rods, different story

Pax era...new SiC wick...interesting. I hear that some people liked how that tasted on the trinity carts, although it seemed to have a shorter service life between cleanings due to the porousness. What material users fill on it and how they use it can make a huge difference too. My trust factor and previous experience with pax, and my understanding (or lack thereof they're not wanting to disclose much) of how their pods work is a major deterrent to me. So is $50-60 for a half g... ugh

Also regarding terp profiles...what I've tasted on gold drops might not be "full spectrum" but damn they are tasty, complex, subtle-to-STRONG... strain-authentic for sure. The best distillates with terps I've had are gold drops

KeroZen said:

Hey guys, anyone has experience with the hydratube attachments for the v3? >> https://ineedhemp.com/product/hydratube-attachments-v3-donut-atomizer/

I'd like to get the measurement of their ID please.

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Didn't I give you that exact info at your request like 6 months ago?

tennisguru1 said:

Anyone have any suggestions as what use to lube the "O" rings on all these different atomizers?

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ta2zz said:

I give the o-rings a slightly wet willy... you know lick a finger and whoosh around the o-rings, works fine for me.

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The wet-willy finger saliva might do the trick for a while, but probably isn't the best idea. Your saliva is mostly water moisture, and if the o-rings on your QQ are wet with oil, (likely) mixing sightly acidic DNA water with concentrate seems like a formula to get waxy and seize up the rings when it cools down.

When those rings start getting sticky, rubbing a very light coating of glycerin, (VG, PG, or "e-juice" like Matt says) is a safer lube to use, less likely to lock up. Vegetable oil is ok too. I would also advise you to alcohol swab / wipe off the bottom of the glass cap and the o-rings if they are sticky with oil before lubing them also. Just putting glycerin over reclaim-sticky o-rings and glass tops will only keep it gliding for a short time. The sticky icky must be cleaned up and not allowed to accumulate much around the rings or it becomes harder to move and easy to accidentally break when cold.

I just got an ABX (actually "care by design") 18:1 CBD cart. It's a good thing to have in the stash, e.g. in case someone OD's and wants to call 911 to ask if they've died. One toke and it's like a curtain was pulled up and the lights came on. After a few minutes the down side of the original strain becomes more noticeable.

If a distillate is "flavored" with a smaller amount of sauce, it seems the sum total can't have a lot of what was minor in the sauce in the first place?

When we see figures like 70% total cannabinoids, what is likely to be in that other 30%? Obviously not the strain-specific terpenes? So what?

The BS behind the phrase "no additives" is irritating, especially when they call scentless terpenes used to thin the distillate "natural" and "not an additive", or even "organic", as advised by their terpene dealer.

Vape Donkey 650 said:

Hey, I just want to make clear here, even though I mentioned those 4 or 5 brands for fernand as brands with products (tanks / applicators) with the actual, strain-specific, "derived from the same flowers as the concentrate is from" re-introduced terps, as opposed to those fake, non-canna, food-grade, whatever-else terps.

But I did not specifically go so far as to claim those 4 brands I like also have complete "full spectrum" terps which can only really be extracted from a multi-solvent live-resin type HTFSE extraction, which we will agree is the best type of terp profile to enjoy for general dabbing, and also for mixing with distillate in our tanks / carts!

The jettys I do like, but it has more of a typical 'co2' type terpene profile. Can be very tasty, subtle, sappy, a little hashy sometimes, with authentic strain notes coming through. Rich, but not "full spectrum" capturing almost every kind of terp like HTFSE. Some of the more volatile terps (monoterpenes? sesquiterpenes? i forget which type is which) are usually lost on co2 extractions but they are preserved with live resin extractions.

Even if not live resin, I like their stuff. I can imagine that their pods or pre-carts could be quite mediocre and un-impressive, especially on a pen-battery, so I'm not surprised if Jetty didn't impress you. Now if you tried their oil in one of my triple-donut cubis mini tanks, or the giant smok-stack x-baby RBA with ceramic rods, different story

Pax era...new SiC wick...interesting. I hear that some people liked how that tasted on the trinity carts, although it seemed to have a shorter service life between cleanings due to the porousness. What material users fill on it and how they use it can make a huge difference too. My trust factor and previous experience with pax, and my understanding (or lack thereof they're not wanting to disclose much) of how their pods work is a major deterrent to me. So is $50-60 for a half g... ugh

Also regarding terp profiles...what I've tasted on gold drops might not be "full spectrum" but damn they are tasty, complex, subtle-to-STRONG... strain-authentic for sure. The best distillates with terps I've had are gold drops



Didn't I give you that exact info at your request like 6 months ago?





The wet-willy finger saliva might do the trick for a while, but probably isn't the best idea. Your saliva is mostly water moisture, and if the o-rings on your QQ are wet with oil, (likely) mixing sightly acidic DNA water with concentrate seems like a formula to get waxy and seize up the rings when it cools down.

When those rings start getting sticky, rubbing a very light coating of glycerin, (VG, PG, or "e-juice" like Matt says) is a safer lube to use, less likely to lock up. Vegetable oil is ok too. I would also advise you to alcohol swab / wipe off the bottom of the glass cap and the o-rings if they are sticky with oil before lubing them also. Just putting glycerin over reclaim-sticky o-rings and glass tops will only keep it gliding for a short time. The sticky icky must be cleaned up and not allowed to accumulate much around the rings or it becomes harder to move and easy to accidentally break when cold.

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I took a drop of virgin olive oil absorbed in a qtip and lightly brushed "O" rings on
Saionara & Motar, 7 days ago & the atty's slide on & off easily, the Motar has shitty vheap thin glass as a stem, needs easy on off or it will crack at atty connection.
I keep track of condition of "O" rings, so far no swelling or sticking at all.

fernand said:

If a distillate is "flavored" with a smaller amount of sauce, it seems the sum total can't have a lot of what was minor in the sauce in the first place?

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From what I've read, Beezle Extracts uses 30-40% HTFSE in their carts. The rest is distillate. So it has plenty of THC and more than enough cannabis derived terpenes. Seems like it would be a better option than straight shatter.

You bring up an interesting point though. Looking at the test results of a quality brand like Rove their oil consists of 71% THC, 11% minor cannabinoids, and 3% terps. So what's the other 15%? They use Co2 oil but I don't know enough about extraction to explain what the missing 15% could be.

I do know those Rove carts are tasty and potent. And thick as fuck, so I kind of doubt they added flavorless terpenes to increase viscosity. Rove doesn't seem to give 2 shits about viscosity.

florduh said:

From what I've read, Beezle Extracts uses 30-40% HTFSE in their carts. The rest is distillate. So it has plenty of THC and more than enough cannabis derived terpenes. Seems like it would be a better option than straight shatter.

You bring up an interesting point though. Looking at the test results of a quality brand like Rove their oil consists of 71% THC, 11% minor cannabinoids, and 3% terps. So what's the other 15%? They use Co2 oil but I don't know enough about extraction to explain what the missing 15% could be.

I do know those Rove carts are tasty and potent. And thick as fuck, so I kind of doubt they added flavorless terpenes to increase viscosity. Rove doesn't seem to give 2 shits about viscosity.

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@fernand since live sauce isn't nearly as refined as lab isolated terpenes, you have to add more than the 5-10% standard being used for "pure" terpenes. This allows much more room for other compounds to come through. Keep in mind that if you really are after these minor medicinal compounds though, a solvent extraction of any kind can't really compare to just vaporizing the flower.

There are many compounds in cannabis yet to be named or properly understood. This is why cartridges that are lower in THC tend to hit harder as they contain more of those other compounds. Extremely high THC % means it has been refined more and fragmented/fractalized so more of those synergistic full spectrum biomolecules are lost. Brite Labs carts in the ~70% range blow away these 90% distillates. Check out Blue Rivers rosin sauce pods, they are testing in the 55-65% THC range; and being solventless, going to have more minor medicinal compounds than a solvent extraction as the compounds are not being extracted based on a solvent polarity, and instead via mechanical extraction.

Flowers ARE best. But I've been looking for a more portable and concentrated form to use in today's great vaporizer technology. A QQ is great at home, but 510 threaded cartridges are hard to beat on the go.

An important part of the search is trying to identify and separate out what gives strains their unique benefits. Pharmacologically, or chemically, this question is far from being understood, and IMHO anyone who accepts concentrate industry fairy tales is naive. Business is business, and that's OK.

There are different objectives, different users/markets. I'm not blaming anyone, but I think Recs, who mainly value stoning and flavor, unintentionally muddy the waters for us Meds, who are after a much narrower range of specific effects. A gorgeously tasting cart filled with distillate plus terpenes can be perfect for a Rec, but entirely lacking in benefits for a Med. Some people are both, but they can forget to switch evaluation criteria when they change hats.

Strain-specific isn't really about scent and taste, or gourmet quality - that's aesthetics and marketing. It's about effects. The crappiest tasting dark GDP extract, thinned with glycols in a cart with a crude cotton wick coil, isn't appealing to a 2018 Rec. It might be a POS throw-away for everyone, OR it might be a great cart for someone who needs GDP effects. Know what I'm sayin'?

Hey, @Vape Donkey 650 , that's a mighty fine contraption ya got there. Kinda like a SAI with a quartz heater-bucket? Glad ya got them clips, I get nervous looking at some of yer glass TinkerToys.

But there's something about that hooded thing, with the
Sai and the V4. Kind of like the king's executioner. I
LOVE seeing what's hitin' so that opaque headpiece is
a bit of a drag.

Hey Matt @IneedHemp why not offer several different
caps, keep the mounting diameter the same for as many
as possible, interchangeable, glass or metal, GonG, etc.

my goal is to have options, i am limited on capital or i would make as many things as possible, i am happy now i am finally getting the 14mm male glass tips that will be standard for the v4 , gen 2 , jet stream and anything else new i will make. I am also getting a bubbler for the quest glass w/ carb cap and a 14mm hydrtatube a little smaller than the 18mm. having glass and metal to offer for mouthpieces is ideal as well.

Discount links below!!!!

JET STREAM Crossover WAX/ RDA $27.11
The Generation II DC Dry Herb Discount
Quartz Quest $36 link
v3 Ceramic Concentrate $27.10

divinetribe said:

my goal is to have options, i am limited on capital or i would make as many things as possible, i am happy now i am finally getting the 14mm male glass tips that will be standard for the v4 , gen 2 , jet stream and anything else new i will make. I am also getting a bubbler for the quest glass w/ carb cap and a 14mm hydrtatube a little smaller than the 18mm. having glass and metal to offer for mouthpieces is ideal as well.

Discount links below!!!!

JET STREAM Crossover WAX/ RDA $27.11
The Generation II DC Dry Herb Discount
Quartz Quest $36 link
v3 Ceramic Concentrate $27.10

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Is that carb cap available for purchase? Looks amazing.

Looking forward to the 14mm DCG2 glass adapter!

florduh said:

Is that carb cap available for purchase? Looks amazing.

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Now now, you don't wannna yank the prototype out of his cold dead fingers. But make an offer on the whole set, including the, what is it? a Wismec Triple Terror? ;-)

I was just thinkin, as I walked down the street, how happy I was to have the little 75W Pico next to my heart, in my shirt pocket. But we gonna have to give him a conceptual flush and a better (AF) brain, 'cause it's too easy to maladjust this rig when switching heads, and end up a little too hot, and oh i hate that smoldered taste. I really really like that fresh butter on the pan in the morning effect. I saved half the oil from a just a teeny bit smoldered cart into a fresh V9, and man, what a difference in the flavor.

Gotta really creep up in voltage on these carts, prewarm them gently, and inch up to where you're just getting a thin vapor that you can see on the exhale in the light, and take a couple good tokes and tell me this tasty pretty transparent vapor isn't loaded with actives!

I wonder why the cart people never talk about battery voltages or cart resistance. If you can find a cart that's in the 2.4 ohm range (like the Sublime), a simple 3.7 volt little battery will give ~ 5.7 watts -- a manageable pre-warm by pulsing it, and then a good vapor.

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But the more common 1.2 ohm ones that can work in TC mode on a good mod give 11.4 watts on an unregulated battery, black crusty time.

Vape Donkey 650 said:

Didn't I give you that exact info at your request like 6 months ago?

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Who are you? Do I know you? Why are you talking in my head?!!



Nah really, are you sure it was me? I don't remember asking... Maybe my mind is going...

6 months is a long time sometimes

@invertedisdead I mentioned the Jetty Indica Dablicator in another thread. To me, this is a straight THC distillate with a little meh terpene touch that cooks off quickly. I didn't find it tasty, nor did it feel Indica.

ABX carts kind of taste more like the strain, and they FEEL like the strain. I'm on my way to going broke on a set of different ABX carts.

The 3.5 white is here!! If you are interested please email matt@ineedhemp.com and I will send you a invoice with a discount price of $32




This is hopefully the final prototype of the V4 crucible I have stabilized the quartz cup and we are using the same 13 mm donut as the V3. Hoping for late October A

@divinetribe Awesomeness! Looks great, sending an email now!

That v4 with a donut is calling me lol

As soon as they're available im jumping on one of those!

I appears to be the holy grail, quartz cup and ceramic heat..

Anyone have a link to the bubbler attached to the QQ v2 above?

I'm new to this whole wax thing (read: total noob!), but looking into one of these guys (as i already own a dcg2) am i best to wait till the end of Oct for the QQv4? Or as a beginner would i be better with one of divine tribes offerings? (Or?)

Megaton said:

I'm new to this whole wax thing (read: total noob!), but looking into one of these guys (as i already own a dcg2) am i best to wait till the end of Oct for the QQv4? Or as a beginner would i be better with one of divine tribes offerings? (Or?)

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Yes, my advice is to start with V2.5, simple to use, hard to make bad mistakes with, little to fiddle with. With it learn to use TCR control in the mod. Then go to V3 or 3.5 a larger, more powerful version that is rebuild able. Then move to QQ. Controlling temperature is a key skill to have before.

If you want to learn to ride motorcycles while you might survive jumping on a 500 pound super bike and hitting the freeway it's probably better to learn on city streets (or better still a big, empty parking lot....) with a much smaller, more tolerant and easier to control bike?

When QQ first came out, the 'smart money' said guys with 2.5s should get V3s and sort it all out with them first. IMO that advice still holds.

Matt will keep a QQ safe for when you're ready I'm sure.

Best wishes in your new adventures.

OF

Thanks for your response @OF!

Thankfully iv been using DNA devices for years (its concentrates that iv never git my hands on before!), have my splinter and DCg2 dialled in perfectly on it, so if the only issue with the QQ is using TC, then that shouldnt be too much of an issue, but if there is more to it, then ill happily go the tried and true route, for sure! With that being the case am i still advised to go for an earlier offering?

Megaton said:

if the only issue with the QQ is using TC, then that shouldnt be too much of an issue, but if there is more to it, then ill happily go the tried and true route, for sure! With that being the case am i still advised to go for an earlier offering?

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Yep. Concentrates and 'juice' are two different things. We take hits sometimes 10 or more seconds long and the margin for error on temperatures between sweet vapor and cooked oil can be slim. You use TCR entirely differently, it's no longer a 'safety' on another process.

Yes, the advice stands. You're quite welcome, of course. Welcome to the game.

OF

Edit: Don't get the idea that starting with 'the little guys' is a distraction or useless in the end. I use 2.5 probably as much as QQ and V3 combined these days. Very useful and easy to use portable.

OF

Thanks again @OF! That is the way i shall go then!

Does look a little harder to clean though, what with stuff getting underneath the donut and all that! Concentrates are not so easy to come by here, and expensive, so i need to know im not wasting anything!