Discontinued Splinter Z by RBT
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Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
I want one real bad. Any idea when some retailers will get one. 
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Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
I sent Vapefiend an email asking earlier today. Will post response.
virtualpurple
Well-Known Member
Lol seeing all this forward movement has me constantly checking my email to see if I’m up!
AJS
Calm Consistency
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analytika
Well-Known Member
As I looked at the larger newly-released iPhone yesterday, and a humorous snapshot from @RastaBuddhaTao on Instagram of an oversized super XR8R about the length of my forearm, I was reminded of the truth that bigger is not always better.
In reality the Splinter Z is probably "too much vape" for a lot of users and use cases, where the Splinter would be fully adequate, if not already the best alternative on the market.
one doesn't light a cigarette with a culinary torch.
The Splinter will be a better choice for a lot of users. It's too soon to tell if it makes sense to get the Z exclusively if you're not already a Splinter owner. for some people maybe yes, for some people maybe no.
As the Z team and other purchasers get testing underway, the story will unfold.
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analytika
Well-Known Member
I'm not aware of any official solution yet. I have some recollection @RastaBuddhaTao was toying with the idea of a capsule solution. He is a fan of using two screens to create a chamber that won't drop material down the heater shaft.
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kuzko
Well-Known Member
Which email are you waiting for? The one asking whether you want high flow? They are up for sale on the site if you haven’t already purchased.
Edit: all Zs appear be sold out now. Site still shows a Z but when clicked says Out Of Stock.
Exotic standard Splinters still up tho.
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Summer
Long Island, NY
There are a couple of things I need Ryan's CS for, so I'm going to send him an email in a few days for all those questions we all want answers to, like knowing the upper safety limit wattage he recommends as the mfr for the Z. (We already know the it's 50W for the Splinter.) & now that both are being offered with 2 or 4 holes, I want to know if the additional airflow permits an increase in Ryan's recommended upper wattage limit.
Am I correct in assuming that using in TCR with a low temp setting, the upper wattage limit can safely increase? What do you think? I know there's probably a mathematical formula for this.
And I want to know what his international sales intent is with the Z. I want to know that you guys will get yours & what the projected timeline is.
So when I do get a reply I'll let you guys know.
It seems that Ryan may have attached all 3 yesterday streams to 1 published stream so to get to the latest one, you gotta watch the earliest one even if you watched it before & there's no fast forward through streams. It sucks. So anyway, I watched 2 yesterday streams & downloaded the audio for the last one. Once I listen to it I will post a synopsis.
Am I correct in assuming that using in TCR with a low temp setting, the upper wattage limit can safely increase? What do you think? I know there's probably a mathematical formula for this.
And I want to know what his international sales intent is with the Z. I want to know that you guys will get yours & what the projected timeline is.
So when I do get a reply I'll let you guys know.
It seems that Ryan may have attached all 3 yesterday streams to 1 published stream so to get to the latest one, you gotta watch the earliest one even if you watched it before & there's no fast forward through streams. It sucks. So anyway, I watched 2 yesterday streams & downloaded the audio for the last one. Once I listen to it I will post a synopsis.
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HerbieVonVapster
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In a good working tc you should only be drawing the watts needed to maintain the temperature you have set.
Once more are out in the wild we should have a better ideal what the wattage needs to be.
With the splinter using my highest draw rate. The maxs power I ever need to use to maintain set temperature is 50 watts. Normal draws in the 35 watt range.
So I have mine set to preheat at 60watts till hits 350 then drops to 50watts till reaches temp of 380. The 60 watt preheat last less than 2 seconds so not worried about damage splinter.
Once it hit set temp wattage drops down to 12-13 watts till I take a draw or realize fire button.
When i get the splinter_Z will drop it on escribe device monitor. Will take a few large hits to find the highest wattage needed to maintain a constant set temperature. That will then be my new max wattage setting for the splinter_Z well using tc mode
Since the splinter only use max wattage when or if needed in TC mode. Not as worried about setting wattage too high well using tc.
In wattage mode is where i be worried about using too high of watts. Since the temperature will keep rising with out the cut off that tc offers. Damage is more possible i feel in wattage mode.
AJS
Calm Consistency
For what it's worth, now that I have a Splinter Z I will probably never go back to a Splinter, at least not unless I need portability. The Z is just better and I like using the best vape I can, or at least owning it for when the time comes.
With that said, if I had the Splinter, I would not go out and purchase the Z, as it would be more of a desire than a need.
The Splinter provides rips far beyond the reach of many people im sure .. these guys won't benefit much from the Z. But for those who want an extra push, to not work quite as hard for a massive rip, to skip the priming and the preheats and just get a fat fuckin cloud, I gotta say the Z is a great choice. I can't get over how effortlessly huge the rips are. Normally I try all kinds of techniques and do everything I can to really bring out the best in a vape .. the Z just rips harder than I'd imagine in most situations to where I don't really need to prime or try, I just hold and rip. Slow, fast, medium, doesn't matter, clouds.
It's not for everyone, it's large (the miqro is nearly the same size as just the Z itself) it requires a box mod, a separate stem, particular glass, etc ... but if you don't care what the vape is and you just want a vape that will kick your friends' asses into realizing vaping is significantly more potent than smoking, this will do the trick.
Personally I find the wood beautiful, he really stepped it up. Xl8r stem with it just makes it extremely enjoyable. I've never liked an RBT dry sesh so much. Finally I get huge clouds without getting a teary eyed dry throat rip. Just smooth vapor.
Anyway ... came here to post a vid:
https://instagram.com/p/BnzWeOWFpYQ/
Mr. Gweilo 420
Dude
Just got their reply and they said it is still a beta product. No current info.
thanks pal
Hey there. Well I don't have a hi-flow Splinter Z just yet. I asked Ryan what wood choices he had left so I can pick one up but right now I just have the Alpha Z and the two hole wenge Z. I do however have a hi flow Splinter so I can make the comparison. I prefer the hi-flow through water and generally run around 39 Watts/390F in Nickel temp mode on my DNA box. It removes most of the restriction and makes for a nice easy pull on my matrix bubbler .
I have tried the hi-flow dry as well. I have had success but mostly use the standard two hole Splinter. I run that about 33-36 Watts and still in Nickel Temp Mode.
I kind of compare the 2/4 hole difference to the Milaana I v. Milaana II. The OG is more free flowing than the follow up version. For those experienced with on demand convection you can probably get good vapor out of either but for newbs I am thinking the two hole will be easier.
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analytika
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I've never been convinced of this. Mechanical flow restriction accomplishes nothing you can't achieve by slower inhalation. The Milaana/Splinter heater technology allows you to inhale rapidly. You can ride the button or raise wattage and compensate by accelerating inhalation.
buddingglasshead
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Some people can't get that though. I think this is why many of the cheap vapes have a ton of restriction. Easy for beginners to get good results.
At this point, I'm sure with five minutes with a vape I'm going to get really good performance out of it, but any of my friends wouldn't be able to accomplish it with really any vape. I tend to let friends use a vapcap or get it going for them so they can get good performance.
AJS
Calm Consistency
Not sure this is necessarily the case.
Let's say you are vaping through a 100% freeflowing vape and the airflow going through is about 50% speed due to slowing down your own breath. Or you get a vape where you can draw fast but the airflow is still 50% speed because it is moderated by smaller holes.
The lower airflow seems to create a back pressure as a fast pull meets the restricted ariflow, maybe causing a sort of turbulence.
All I know is, a slow draw on the Zion compared to a faster draw with the air inlet plugged up feels like a totally different vape experience.
Having tried nearly every rbt product and having adequate time with all of them, I personally find the lower airflow vapes provide a much denser, flavorful vapor much more easily.
The biggest difference for me is the Milaana vs Milaana 2. I used the Milaana for what...2 years before being introduced to the Mi2. Had plenty of experience moderating my breath and adjusting, but the Milaana 2 just provides significantly fatter clouds faster.
Just my experience and my theories based off my experience.
Just talking out my ass.
In the end, both free flowing and restricted have their benefits.
Yeah I think we had this discussion already. Lol. I agree it can be done either way but like @buddingglasshead said, some people just can't get it. Even experienced folks can struggle.
I think it's kinda nice Ryan is offering both for now as everyone has their preference. My preference is both because I like variety!
HerbieVonVapster
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Wow so many great comments today. Think this one comes the closet to what i'm hoping for.
As a medical user in some ways it become a chore in itself to medicate. Having a heavy hitter that's requires less fuss is helpful on so many level.
Found that I'm also now limited on devices that I can use. The splinter and few others have become my main use vaporizers.
Anymore I look for ones that are easy keep clean. That can be managed and used one handed. It needs to stand up to my heavy usage. Plus allow me to get a reliable enjoyable hit day in and day out with out a lot of effort or extra strain on the lungs.
Battery are a big one I'm now using just 2 mods.
A 2 and a 3 battery mod. I can now get thru the day without needing to charge batteries. (I tend to rotate btw 2 mods/devices) With the milaana I felt it was a constant struggle to keep up with charging the batteries.
The splinter has hits most all these requirements and has become one of my main home vaporizer. It's not the greatest travel vape thou due to glass and size.
I also have grown to dislike restricted draw vaporizer. I find fighting the draw restriction becomes tiresome. I'm in the camp of just slowing down my breath. I went with the 4 holes on the splinter_z since I find the splinter itself almost too restrictive.
I see the Zoin point but it's limited to one power setting at a time where splinter has variable power so can't fairly compare them when come to airflow.
Just got the email that my Splinter_Z has shipped. So when it get's here the splinter will becomes a back up and gives up its place on the lost vape paranormal DNA250c. I don't see myself using the splinter once I get the splinter Z. Still it's one of the last 19/22 ones so will hang onto it.
As a medical user in some ways it become a chore in itself to medicate. Having a heavy hitter that's requires less fuss is helpful on so many level.
Found that I'm also now limited on devices that I can use. The splinter and few others have become my main use vaporizers.
Anymore I look for ones that are easy keep clean. That can be managed and used one handed. It needs to stand up to my heavy usage. Plus allow me to get a reliable enjoyable hit day in and day out with out a lot of effort or extra strain on the lungs.
Battery are a big one I'm now using just 2 mods.
A 2 and a 3 battery mod. I can now get thru the day without needing to charge batteries. (I tend to rotate btw 2 mods/devices) With the milaana I felt it was a constant struggle to keep up with charging the batteries.
The splinter has hits most all these requirements and has become one of my main home vaporizer. It's not the greatest travel vape thou due to glass and size.
I also have grown to dislike restricted draw vaporizer. I find fighting the draw restriction becomes tiresome. I'm in the camp of just slowing down my breath. I went with the 4 holes on the splinter_z since I find the splinter itself almost too restrictive.
I see the Zoin point but it's limited to one power setting at a time where splinter has variable power so can't fairly compare them when come to airflow.
Just got the email that my Splinter_Z has shipped. So when it get's here the splinter will becomes a back up and gives up its place on the lost vape paranormal DNA250c. I don't see myself using the splinter once I get the splinter Z. Still it's one of the last 19/22 ones so will hang onto it.
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KeroZen
Chronic vapaholic
Actually the Zion is a VV device (not VW), there is a voltage setting knob. It's just that most of us find our sweet spot and don't touch it much.
HerbieVonVapster
Well-Known Member
Good point didn't know or forget that info. So it's not like a just a dial then. Its adjusting voltage per demand not just sending wattage you set it at.
Cheesequake
Free Men Don't Ask
Got a tracking number for my Z. Not sure if it's actually shipped yet or not though.
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