Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

Hi guys - new guy here. Slowly going through as many of the almost 500 pages here as I can, but I did want to ask a few questions. I currently have a Liger 3.0 20mm and use concentrates exclusively - I'm looking to move primarily to flower but keeping concentrates for fun every so often. Planning on picking up the VRod starter kit - wanted to move away from the High5 enail and be able to order all replacements for this straight from NewVape!

The questions!
1) I currently have a recycler and beaker for use with my liger (both require 14mm male adapters). I see that most people are using pieces that I would typically associate with huge flower hits. What type of rigs work best in flower mode for a flowerpot?
2) Given that I do have a Liger already (and since I plan to buy the newvape controller & coil), would it make sense to just get a Showerhead? I don't believe I will be twaxing too much, and I could use the Showerhead for flower only, and the Liger for concentrates only.

tb42091 said:

Depends on your temp, but the draw speed change is why I would recommend using it until you get the hang of the draw speed you like. Takes one more variable out of the equation as far as why it's not producing what they expected.

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I understand what you are saying but once you set your favorite temp with the carb cap, you will have to find your uncarbed temp and find your draw speed again.

Which screens are you guys using in the NV glass bowls? There's already the glass screen built in, but I'm having issues with that... material getting through, holes getting clogged fairly quickly, etc.

Okay...so, with NV's recent reverse VROD head announcement, does that mean that I can get the Auber RDK-300 controller that I originally wanted to get before they announced the VROD? (I don't have a Flowerpot yet, but mean to get one soon)

tb42091 said:

So IMO the carb cap doesnt just reduce draw speed but it reduces the amount of heat lost in the air path as you draw which creates a higher and more consistent temp in the chamber.

If you crank up the temp to 700+ and still want the lower temp highs, don't use the cap and play around with draw speed. The faster you draw the lower the temp so you can still manage lower temp hits at 700, you just have to increase draw speed. Extraction speed ramps up too then.

It definitely takes some practice/technique to find your personal preference but I like the FP because it's so versatile. I think low temp, consistent hits are the only thing it isn't the best/easiest device for. At least until someone gets an inline temp reading.

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I have done inline temp testing of the FP and found that the carb cap does not increase the temp at the bowl, but actually reduces the temp (or slows the rate of temp increase). Here's a chart.

For the carb cap, I believe it is the reduced pressure in the chamber that bumps up the vapor production, not increased heat.

@waxdab23 - I just stuck a regular newvape screen in. Not the most perfect fit but it works way better than without it. Could probably trim it a bit.

@Stu - that's awesome, I read a long time ago that's what carb caps were meant for - to drop chamber pressure but never had any evidence that it was really happening. Did you happen to do one side by side without the carb cap?

waxdab23 said:

Which screens are you guys using in the NV glass bowls? There's already the glass screen built in, but I'm having issues with that... material getting through, holes getting clogged fairly quickly, etc.

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I use an Arizer EQ sized stainless steel basket screen in the bottom / stem end of the 18mm glass bowl. Catches anything that gets sucked through.

tb42091 said:

@Stu - that's awesome, I read a long time ago that's what carb caps were meant for - to drop chamber pressure but never had any evidence that it was really happening. Did you happen to do one side by side without the carb cap?

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Well, the chart shows the draw without the carb cap prior to the arrow. I do have other charts on the subject that I can dig up. Here is one showing a hit with the carb cap put on mid draw and the following hit with the carb cap on the entire time. I'm sure I've posted others, but can't find them at the moment. These charts were originally posted in the vape temp charts thread.

TheFatBastard said:

Hey guys!

I have been experimenting with the FP SH, and sincerely, I think I still haven't found the sweet spot to make the experience way better than with the Extreme EQ.

I mean, I think the FP extracts very well, but I can't get very different effects than I used to get with the Extreme EQ. I usually can take 2 hits, maybe 3, of a bowl (enough bud to cover the full screen), and if I entirely fill the bowl, can do like 4 hits, but as I said, nothing I can't achieve with the Extreme EQ with the DDave mod and couple of hits more.

I'm doing 600c, though I tried 650/666 (too much harsh for my throath, also not so good tasting) and lower temps like 500/550c (not so good extraction, tastier hits), I tries capped, uncapped, diferent draw speeds....

Don't get me wrong, the FP SH works right, is just that I don't find such a difference with the Extreme EQ, also, a lot of people say that you can get really high with just 3/4 draws, full extraction of a couple of bowls...and I don't get that "intensity" from the FP, indeed, yesterday I turned on the Extreme EQ and the performance wasn't far away from the FP.

I don't get that "monster hits" that get you instantly high like much of the people here have related.

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I kind of found this when I got my flowerpot aswell. I was also using a water pipe with my extreme q so that did not help. What i found really changed the game was cranking the temp up to 650. taking really fast draws that are really long. Nice clouds and i get about 3-4 good hits before the bowl is done. I think the high airflow helps alot. I fill the bowl only about 1/4 1/3 full. stir in between hits.

thekayo said:

I kind of found this when I got my flowerpot aswell. I was also using a water pipe with my extreme q so that did not help. What i found really changed the game was cranking the temp up to 650. taking really fast draws that are really long. Nice clouds and i get about 3-4 good hits before the bowl is done. I think the high airflow helps alot. I fill the bowl only about 1/4 1/3 full. stir in between hits.

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I was also using a water pipe with the Extreme.Still very pleasant to play with the Extreme, I still can’t find that huge inprovement with the FP.

Last night I tried 620, no carb cap, medium draw speed.Big clouds, but taste is somehow “metalic” compared to the Extreme, and I cashed 0.40g in 3 bowls, 2/3 hits per bowl.

The high was more narcotic than psychedelic, as i said, no big improvement over the Extreme Q with the Ddave mod and the water pipe , even just with the Ddave mod I could get decent clouds.

Maybe I have to try lower temps again, around 500.....

Still trying to find the sweet amspot that makes the FP way better than the Eq.

TheFatBastard said:

I was also using a water pipe with the Extreme.Still very pleasant to play with the Extreme, I still can’t find that huge inprovement with the FP.

Last night I tried 620, no carb cap, medium draw speed.Big clouds, but taste is somehow “metalic” compared to the Extreme, and I cashed 0.40g in 3 bowls, 2/3 hits per bowl.

The high was more narcotic than psychedelic, as i said, no big improvement over the Extreme Q with the Ddave mod and the water pipe , even just with the Ddave mod I could get decent clouds.

Maybe I have to try lower temps again, around 500.....

Still trying to find the sweet amspot that makes the FP way better than the Eq.

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I don’t really know what your definition of way better than the eq is and I’ve never used one so can’t compare.

That said, my favourite way to use the vrod is 650, 0.05g In the glass bowl with double weave shaped like a sort of cup. Super slow draw to start till I see vapour in the dropdown, then ramp it up slowly, take heater off, rip, exhale, profit.

Favourite for showerhead, 707, 0.05g in glass bowl with same screen. Slow but not super slow draw to start and ramp up again, similar finish.

For the wrap-around, 707, 0.08, Elb basket screen thingy in the 18mm post with the panhead (purely cos i prefer its looks to the shoverlhead). Again start slow and ramp up = profit.

I know vape profiles are discussed a lot here but to me if both vapes are fully extracting the same material you’ll get pretty much the same effects. It would be strange to me if the flowerpot made you trip balls while the same material had a different effect in the eq. For me the biggest benefit of the fp is effeciency, I’m now down to .15g a day down from 1.2g just using the mighty and probably 2+ with the plenty, the ghost mv1 was close effeciency wise if it would consistently fully vape the entire crucible and the dvnavaps strike me as fairly efficient even though there must be losses on cooldown etc.

TheFatBastard said:

I was also using a water pipe with the Extreme.Still very pleasant to play with the Extreme, I still can’t find that huge inprovement with the FP.

Last night I tried 620, no carb cap, medium draw speed.Big clouds, but taste is somehow “metalic” compared to the Extreme, and I cashed 0.40g in 3 bowls, 2/3 hits per bowl.

The high was more narcotic than psychedelic, as i said, no big improvement over the Extreme Q with the Ddave mod and the water pipe , even just with the Ddave mod I could get decent clouds.

Maybe I have to try lower temps again, around 500.....

Still trying to find the sweet amspot that makes the FP way better than the Eq.

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Fill a bowl, start at 500f, go up in increments of 10 degress, use the carbcap.

But tbh, if you were satisfied with the high you were getting from the EQ, I'm not sure how the FP could be as much of a dramatically huge improvement in effects as you appear to want it to be? The huge improvement with the FP for me came with efficiency, ease of use, less irritation on my lungs etc etc. I get higher than ever because of its efficiency of extraction, not because its bringing out hitherto unknown effects from my flower or dabs.

I hope you find what you like with the FP!

^Agreed.
I didn't buy the flowerpot expecting it to give me a bigger/better/different high.
I bought the flowerpot hoping it's usage would mitigate some of the issues I had with the EVO
I find the bowls easier to empty/clean than the baskets, the airflow is much less restricted and I can have a wider range of glass... among other reasons

emmdeemo said:

Fill a bowl, start at 500f, go up in increments of 10 degress, use the carbcap.

But tbh, if you were satisfied with the high you were getting from the EQ, I'm not sure how the FP could be as much of a dramatically huge improvement in effects as you appear to want it to be? The huge improvement with the FP for me came with efficiency, ease of use, less irritation on my lungs etc etc. I get higher than ever because of its efficiency of extraction, not because its bringing out hitherto unknown effects from my flower or dabs.

I hope you find what you like with the FP!

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Thanks for the tips @emdeemmo!

For some of you that don't may know, I come from here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/why-cant-i-get-the-same-high-than-i-used-to-get.29291/

Said that, I was "happy" with the Extreme Q, but was searching for something more, and, c'mon, we've all suffered from VAS and like new toys , that's why I bought the Flowerpot.

I'm starting to adjusting to it, the idea of the Flowerpot was to get better, bigger and faster "highs", more efficiently. I guess is just a matter of finding the right performance to my needs.

I was about to buy the Newvape / VROD system and I had a few questions I needed answered before I did. Newvape did not answer the email or phone call I made to them. Sorry, I dont buy $700 vapes from companies that dont offer good customer support. FAIL!

$700? Watchu talkin' about, Willis?

When did you attempt to contact them, and how long has it been?

superdang9000 said:

$700? Watchu talkin' about, Willis?

When did you attempt to contact them, and how long has it been?

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LOL! Yes, $700
VRod FlowerPot Twax Bundle
$657.00 + Shipping.
https://www.newvape.com/flowerpot-twax-vape

Ive been trying to contact them all morning

lasvideo said:

LOL! Yes, $700
VRod FlowerPot Twax Bundle
$657.00 + Shipping.
Ive been trying to contact them all morning

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Ah, that one. I mean, personally I'd just do the starter kit and source the glass and case elsewhere, but I do understand the convenience factor. Anyway, they say it can take 24-48 hours to respond to inquiries. Good luck!

TheFatBastard said:

Thanks for the tips @emdeemmo!

For some of you that don't may know, I come from here: http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/why-cant-i-get-the-same-high-than-i-used-to-get.29291/

Said that, I was "happy" with the Extreme Q, but was searching for something more, and, c'mon, we've all suffered from VAS and like new toys , that's why I bought the Flowerpot.

I'm starting to adjusting to it, the idea of the Flowerpot was to get better, bigger and faster "highs", more efficiently. I guess is just a matter of finding the right performance to my needs.

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There is also a wise old adage- "Decide to be happy now." We are all guilty of forever searching for that pot of gold, taking our many blessings for granted. Believe me I know.

And the FP and EQ are indeed both blessings. Maybe just focus now on enjoying both as you can and do, for their individual differences and unique vape signatures. Detach from the situation and let things (especially your own consciousness) flow freely with time, no pressure, no expectations.

I am sorry the Flowerpot hasnt brought as much incrrsed enjoyment and fun as I had hoped and strongly expected.

Indeed, I was a strong vocal influence in the process and I accept my responsibility. Clearly we are all so different, and I have no doubt that most users would be much happier and more content all round with the Flowerpot over the EQ.

But every vape has its own sig, unique way of introducing you onto the cannabis plane.

I used to own an Aromed. It was totally different to my other vaporizers now much more gentle smooth and pure experience which really crept up on you subtly in a drunk feeling sort of way.

It just came on very differently it was a different experience all round and I quite often catch myself missing and craving that even though that device had too many limitations and weak points for my liking.

So it could just be that you learnt to enjoy the cannabis high with your EQ in a way that has some comfort and nostalgia for you- call it a conditioning experience which you are beginning to understand and process in your consciousness now but perhaps not in the manner it will be done over time as your consciousness expands and you realise that you can be happy with your dozens of vaporizer acquisitions and nobody has to lose. (Except your wallet)

superdang9000 said:

Ah, that one. I mean, personally I'd just do the starter kit and source the glass and case elsewhere, but I do understand the convenience factor. Anyway, they say it can take 24-48 hours to respond to inquiries. Good luck!

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Thanks man. I mostly vape flower thru either the Vapexhale EVO or the Arizer GO. This looked like a well designed and crafted alternative. Considering its cost, maybe its a good thing I cant get ahold of them

lasvideo said:

LOL! Yes, $700
VRod FlowerPot Twax Bundle
$657.00 + Shipping.
https://www.newvape.com/flowerpot-twax-vape

Ive been trying to contact them all morning

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@lasvideo you need to give them time to get back to you. They are a small business and although their initial response time is slow, they provide excellent service. My first contact with them was ordering parts for my Pax2, they called me and wanted to make sure I understood what I was ordering. They have called me on several orders since then and have been very helpful.

your buying a bundled kit... why not ask this group if you have a question? There is a lot of experience in this group. But if your going to walk over not getting an instant reply then it will be your loss because there is not a system out there that rocks like this thing does.

lasvideo said:

LOL! Yes, $700
VRod FlowerPot Twax Bundle
$657.00 + Shipping.
Ive been trying to contact them all morning

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I bought this bundle and I feel it was a good decision to purchase it. I corresponded with two people at NewVape. I'd give them a little while to get back to you. Not days, but maybe a day. I'm not sure how many people work there but they were responsive.

You'll like the bundle. The case is solid. Maybe it's not a Pelican case but it is not lightweight junk either. Everything is well machined. I haven't tried the grinder yet but it sure does feel like a beast.

Thanks everyone. It sounds like most folks have had a good experience contacting them. I will chill out and see how things go.

lasvideo said:

Thanks everyone. It sounds like most folks have had a good experience contacting them. I will chill out and see how things go.

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if there is anything we can help you with just let us know....

wildman420 said:

if there is anything we can help you with just let us know....

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Thanks! My research here and You Tube videos have answered most of my questions. The few I have relate to purchase and shipping and would best be answered by Newvape I think.