Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

tb42091

tb42091

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Baron23 said:
Not to be free with your money, but two coils rather solves that issue, no???
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Haha well, I guess if you were smart that would be the way to do it. I guess I hadn't thought about that because I have 3 coils that don't fit the coil cover and only 1 that does, so I kinda forgot you could just get a dedicated coil for each head and make things a bit easier.

Stonocrates said:
I was pondering this some more, and I think when you use a quartz insert in a quartz banger, the banger walls are higher than the insert, so there is heat from most directions. With the VRod, the heat is mostly underneath and a little up the sides. Making sure there is close physical contact with the dish is needed to overcome this limitation. Also, without the nut, the dish rattles and spins and I'm not sure the carb cap isn't turning it, preventing the intake hole from moving across the oil.

I'm one of the people who feels like the VRod is not a downgrade for flower from the ShowerHead; I actually slightly prefer it. I would characterize my draw speed as slow-medium.
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Yeah I imagine if you use a carb cap too for flower hits it really is even less of a difference. Doesnt seem that you can really go "wrong" with either design!

Been on the east coast visiting family for the weekend. Heading back to my flowerpot tomorrow morning, so excited!
 
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Chicken #420 said:
Well, good folks...

Over the last few months, my main reason for sticking around and continuing to participate in this thread and this forum has been to continue telling everyone about what a marvelous vaporizer the FlowerPot is when used with glass bowls. However, over the last few weeks, more and more posts are being made by people who have discovered the same great things about glass bowls and their taste that I have, and they want to share the joy too. Many long-time respected members here are coming to the same conclusions that I reached months ago, when I started using glass star screen bowls and inverting my SH to fit larger diameter glass bowls not originally made for the NV system.

It looks like more and more glass bowl options are now becoming available for the FlowerPot, and more and more users are starting to catch on and post about them. For these reasons, and others, I have decided it is time to make my departure and spend my spare time on more valuable pursuits. It has been fun, but I think I've said enough at this point, and think it's just time to move on. Thank you all, it has been a good ride for the most part.

I'm off to bigger and better things, everyone be well and enjoy your vaporizers!

Chicken out... peace to you all. :)
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Chicken.....appreciate all you have done here and with the other DHG sellers info. Thanks for the tip long ago on the glass bowls. I would have sold off my flowerpot if I did not use a glass bowl.

Oogendoogan....please understand there are many of us that have an issue with Ti. I would love to not be affected by it like you....but I am.

Many have a problem with Ti parts causing throat irritation.....It is why I do not use my flowerpot that often....maybe 1-2 times per week. If they ever come up with a different showerhead section....I would love to try it. Right now....my Elev8r is the one I use the most if a high powered vape is needed/wanted.
 
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Hi all!

I've followed what another poster posted: Set the temperature to 400°F (with the coil On? And at temperature?) and then Hold the ">" button until the light starts flashing quickly.

My coil isn't hot and obviously not at 400°F. Am I doing it right?
I ask this because I've been waiting for hours now and it still hasn't stopped Flashing.

What is the Proper Way to Auto-Tune NewVape's (and VapeCode) PID? Is it normal that it takes multiple hours?
What's the usual time it takes usually?

Thanks a lot,
SunnyHours.
 
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When running the calibration, the led flashes rapidly.
After calibration, the led will still flash, but slower.

To calibrate, I turn on the enail controller, set the temperature, flick the second switch to turn on the coil and hold down the > key until the led starts flashing quickly.

I calibrated mine to 630 with the showerhead sat on the stand and it took no more than a couple of mins.
 
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Square4Life

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Just wanted to give my .02 regarding the SH vs VROD.

I guess I'm all alone on this side of things so, please take that for what's it worth but this is my findings:

Flower ONLY - Either will work fantastic although, I give the edge to the VROD in this department. I can turn the VROD to a lower temp and get the same level hit as the SH. I assumed this was due to the coil being damn near encased inside, as the coil on the SH, even with the cover, is not as 'sealed' as it is on VROD. May not be the reason. May just be in my head lol. WINNER: VROD (but either kicks ass in this department)

Concentrate ONLY (flavor) - I've only tried the SIC dish on VROD but it definitely wins over the Titanium dish for flavor. WINNER: VROD

Concentrate ONLY (efficiency) - This is my main complaint with VROD although if doing concentrate ONLY, then it isn't really a problem. I find I need the temp higher (in comparison to the SH) to FULLY extract the concentrate when using VROD and SIC Dish. I'm not sure if this is due to the thermal loss from the dish sitting on top of the VROD whereas the 'dish' on the SH is one piece with very little thermal loss. Perhaps I'm completely off here as well. Just my observation. WINNER: It's a wash IMO. VROD just needs a higher temp.

TWAX - Due to the differences I've listed above...this is where I prefer the SH. Up to this point, I'd pick the VROD. The thing is, I like full extractions. My ABV is quite dark when I'm done. It is not combustion by any means but I imagine I push it further than most. Especially more than someone who flavor chases. The problem I have with the VROD in this department is that in order for me to get the concentrate fully spent, I have to turn the temp up, which then gives me a VERY roasty flower. I feel like the SH, being all titanium, experiences less thermal loss and can TWAX at a temperature more desirable for both flower and concentrate. Also, as many have also stated, I don't consider twax hits to be that great flavor wise. Hence another reason I don't think the SIC dish is as necessary for TWAX hits. IMO, TWAX is all about the potency punch. WINNER: SH

Again though, this is just my findings/opinion/.02/etc. And I'm also not into flavor chasing as much...got to get the most bang for my buck lol. Not trying to deter anyone from either solution; rather trying to help if someone is on the fence. The fact is, either unit will perform exceptionally. I'm merely trying to describe the differences that I've seen...and may just be MY OPINIONS.

I did have some issues initially with the dish not being tight enough after heating up which really affected the performance of the dish. It did dramatically improve after tightening although the above findings are AFTER tightening things down.
 
Roth

Roth

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Got my new Vrod Head Rev C in, with the 28mm SiC dish and am very pleased so far. The 28mm SiC dish is much thicker than NV's 25mm dish, a nice upgrade. I had been using my 25mm SiC dish and Showercap on my Vrod, so glad to be able to use the Vrod carb cap again.

I've noticed one other improvement in the Rev C Vrod compared to my Rev A. The threads that connect the head and diffuser are longer. It makes it easier to start threading the top and bottom together. It was kinda tricky to get that first thread started on the Rev A.
 
Papagiorgio

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Ok, I've waited a little bit and have vaped a few half-full glass bowls, and I think I can definitively say that this is the perfect vape for me.

It's like I'm not skipping a beat and it's just another day, taking bong rips. Thing is, they're insanely tastier and I'm cough-free.

I will admit there's a bit of a learning curve when learning how to properly use this thing, but I can tell we're going to get along just fine. :)

Once again, thanks to all of the posters in this thread for helping me make this amazing, amazing decision.
 
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EmDeemo

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FC-Rattlecan, rosin dabs, VRod, SiC dish. 660f - 690f. Glass bowl.

I have never been able to take dabs this big without coughing. This is amazing. My eyes still water, the sweats still come but the harsh hacking coughing fits dont come. After a few days, my lungs wanted a break so I went back down to 580 for a day or less, but even during this 'bad lung spell', no phlegm, no shortness of breath, no hacking up crap in the morning or extra inhaler usage needed.

This is amazing. Im off to do a MASSIVE dab :D
 
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I have to mention that time and time again when I've needed customer support Newvape has responded in a reasonable time frame, they have offered many options and solutions including exchanges if needed. Really easy to work with them.
They really are a "Newvape" company, everything is different, everything is better ;)
 
Cannabis-Hardware-Ed

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Square4Life said:
Just wanted to give my .02 regarding the SH vs VROD.

I guess I'm all alone on this side of things so, please take that for what's it worth but this is my findings:

Flower ONLY - Either will work fantastic although, I give the edge to the VROD in this department. I can turn the VROD to a lower temp and get the same level hit as the SH. I assumed this was due to the coil being damn near encased inside, as the coil on the SH, even with the cover, is not as 'sealed' as it is on VROD. May not be the reason. May just be in my head lol. WINNER: VROD (but either kicks ass in this department)

Concentrate ONLY (flavor) - I've only tried the SIC dish on VROD but it definitely wins over the Titanium dish for flavor. WINNER: VROD

Concentrate ONLY (efficiency) - This is my main complaint with VROD although if doing concentrate ONLY, then it isn't really a problem. I find I need the temp higher (in comparison to the SH) to FULLY extract the concentrate when using VROD and SIC Dish. I'm not sure if this is due to the thermal loss from the dish sitting on top of the VROD whereas the 'dish' on the SH is one piece with very little thermal loss. Perhaps I'm completely off here as well. Just my observation. WINNER: It's a wash IMO. VROD just needs a higher temp.

TWAX - Due to the differences I've listed above...this is where I prefer the SH. Up to this point, I'd pick the VROD. The thing is, I like full extractions. My ABV is quite dark when I'm done. It is not combustion by any means but I imagine I push it further than most. Especially more than someone who flavor chases. The problem I have with the VROD in this department is that in order for me to get the concentrate fully spent, I have to turn the temp up, which then gives me a VERY roasty flower. I feel like the SH, being all titanium, experiences less thermal loss and can TWAX at a temperature more desirable for both flower and concentrate. Also, as many have also stated, I don't consider twax hits to be that great flavor wise. Hence another reason I don't think the SIC dish is as necessary for TWAX hits. IMO, TWAX is all about the potency punch. WINNER: SH

Again though, this is just my findings/opinion/.02/etc. And I'm also not into flavor chasing as much...got to get the most bang for my buck lol. Not trying to deter anyone from either solution; rather trying to help if someone is on the fence. The fact is, either unit will perform exceptionally. I'm merely trying to describe the differences that I've seen...and may just be MY OPINIONS.

I did have some issues initially with the dish not being tight enough after heating up which really affected the performance of the dish. It did dramatically improve after tightening although the above findings are AFTER tightening things down.
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Thank you for a very nice review @Square4Life . I completely agree with your findings. I'd like to offer one suggestion. Try extending the heat soak time on the vrod with a lower temp when twaxing. I'm under the belief that both the SH and Vrod will eventually normalize with time. Granted these time will be different. Prehaps try 650F with a 10min heat up and do another comparison.
 
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So I got my Vrod Sic dish in the mail yesterday. I attempted to switch out the dish and top half of the head, as per the exchange deal NewVape set up for us rev A owners. Guess what? Neither were going to loosen by finger power alone haha. So I grabbed a can of air and flipped it upside down and dowsed the head with a cold blast (tips hat to @wildman420 for the pro-tip) for a few seconds. After chilling the parts they came apart easily with a couple tools and my hands.
After cleaning the dish, and yuck the black/gray Qtips, I fired her up. Right to 660 and hit a medium dab. Dab performance is greatly increased over the quartz dish imo. Also much better than the 25 mm Sic dish I had on there off of my Wrap around haha.

Now that I have the new dish on my Vrod and I can get the dimensions from it, I will email the glass blowing outfit about the clear glass carb caps. I’ll also check if we can get a bulk discount etc.
 
Papagiorgio

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Anyone have any tips on helping create larger hits with the showerhead? I'm looking to just make one or two large vapor hits instead of hitting it over and over, making sure to extract everything.

It's just I've found that there's a very fine line between getting a big hit and over-cooking the bowl. I've found 650 is a good temp to get to the place I want, but its tricky trying not to leave the flowerpot on the bowl too long without under-extracting. I assume its something I'll get better at over time!
 
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Papagiorgio said:
Anyone have any tips on helping create larger hits with the showerhead? I'm looking to just make one or two large vapor hits instead of hitting it over and over, making sure to extract everything.
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You have much to learn grasshopper.

Straight to 777F to meet your destiny. :whoa:

Ramp up your draw speed while hitting for maximum high rolling :mmmm:
 
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Papagiorgio said:
Anyone have any tips on helping create larger hits with the showerhead? I'm looking to just make one or two large vapor hits instead of hitting it over and over, making sure to extract everything.

It's just I've found that there's a very fine line between getting a big hit and over-cooking the bowl. I've found 650 is a good temp to get to the place I want, but its tricky trying not to leave the flowerpot on the bowl too long without under-extracting. I assume its something I'll get better at over time!
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I'm either over 700 uncapped with a fairly quick draw or around 630 capped for single hitters
 
wildman420

wildman420

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Papagiorgio said:
Anyone have any tips on helping create larger hits with the showerhead? I'm looking to just make one or two large vapor hits instead of hitting it over and over, making sure to extract everything.

It's just I've found that there's a very fine line between getting a big hit and over-cooking the bowl. I've found 650 is a good temp to get to the place I want, but its tricky trying not to leave the flowerpot on the bowl too long without under-extracting. I assume its something I'll get better at over time!
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It is really about experimentation. Different rigs, temps, air flow/draw speed, capped/not capped. Also how dry your flowers are can be a big factor. As for extraction, I have been using the AVB to make edibles so I am not worried about getting the best extraction. I want to leave a little behind for my cookies. I use a heaping scoop of finely ground flower and get it in a single hit. I want my bowl contents to be light brown. IMO - the best hits off the flowerpot are the first ones. I figure I am getting the effects off my flower twice - once with the FP and then again with the edibles.
 
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Square4Life

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NewVape710 said:
Thank you for a very nice review @Square4Life . I completely agree with your findings. I'd like to offer one suggestion. Try extending the heat soak time on the vrod with a lower temp when twaxing. I'm under the belief that both the SH and Vrod will eventually normalize with time. Granted these time will be different. Prehaps try 650F with a 10min heat up and do another comparison.
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Thank you for the response! It really does mean a great deal to have this level of response and involvement from the company.

Onto your suggestion, I want to make sure I understand it correctly as I would love to be able to use the VROD as I did the SH. Well, I just about do, the only difference is modifying the temperature depending on what I am doing. I turn it up to 770-780 for concentrate only and 700-710 for flower only. Whereas I set the SH to 730 and never changed it, period.

Anyhow, all of my testing listed in the original post was done over the course of having the new unit. I turn mine on and set it to whatever temperature being tried that night. The 600 degree temps I see everyone using, worked great for flower, especially if capped, and the flavor was much better. I could handle those temps for the flower but the concentrate never felt spent enough until I start getting to 730+ for concentrate on VROD. My point being, my unit may be turned on, VROD sitting on HOT post in tray, for 15-30 minutes before I ever touch it, as I flip it on when walking in from work. Aside from that, the unit stays on throughout the evening and doesn't turn off until going to bed. So, I believe I am heat-soaking for at least 10 minutes as it is. If my Hexnail was working, I'd use the lower temps for flower but due to the way the temperature is changed on the enail I have, it is easier to stay within the 700 degree range.

Now, that does bring up another point which I am not doing, and you may be referencing...is heat-soaking WITH the carb cap on (since the concentrate temperature is the 'problem' for me...flower at 650 is fine). I haven't tried that at all yet since the cap starts to get quite warm but would be more than happy to do some testing tonight with the carb cap being on the VROD for 10 minutes, with the VROD being on the HOT post, at 650 and THEN doing a concentrate hit to see if it fully extracts to my liking. I'd imagine that would definitely get the temp of the dish up some.

If I am on the right track, should I let the enail 'calibrate' to the mass with the carb cap on and set to 650f? THEN, let it heat-soak for 10 minutes at 650f with the cap on?

***I have been told I am not aware of how my posts can come across sometimes. I just want to make it clear that I am trying to fully understand your input to ensure I provide the best feedback. I am in no way trying to be aggressive, argumentative or difficult to deal with. :) Again, I really appreciate your input and feedback.***
 
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So, we have made a reversed version of the Vrod head to accommodate counter-clockwise wrapping coils. All other coil dimensions remain the same (20mm, etc)

Hope y'all are having a great day


20mm_coil_directions-3.jpg
 
Baron23

Baron23

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Hogni said:
Thanks a lot but just a D-Nail style xlr wired coil would have been more than enough ;)
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newvape918 said:
So, we have made a reversed version of the Vrod head to accommodate counter-clockwise wrapping coils. All other coil dimensions remain the same (20mm, etc)

Hope y'all are having a great day


20mm_coil_directions-3.jpg
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That is indeed helpful as a person can take a D-nail type hot runner coil (most of which run counter clockwise, I believe) and just stretch it a bit top to bottom to match the height of the NV coils and then it would work with the alternate Vrod design....no?
 
Roth

Roth

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Square4Life said:
Just wanted to give my .02 regarding the SH vs VROD.

I guess I'm all alone on this side of things so, please take that for what's it worth but this is my findings:

Flower ONLY - Either will work fantastic although, I give the edge to the VROD in this department. I can turn the VROD to a lower temp and get the same level hit as the SH. I assumed this was due to the coil being damn near encased inside, as the coil on the SH, even with the cover, is not as 'sealed' as it is on VROD. May not be the reason. May just be in my head lol. WINNER: VROD (but either kicks ass in this department)

Concentrate ONLY (flavor) - I've only tried the SIC dish on VROD but it definitely wins over the Titanium dish for flavor. WINNER: VROD

Concentrate ONLY (efficiency) - This is my main complaint with VROD although if doing concentrate ONLY, then it isn't really a problem. I find I need the temp higher (in comparison to the SH) to FULLY extract the concentrate when using VROD and SIC Dish. I'm not sure if this is due to the thermal loss from the dish sitting on top of the VROD whereas the 'dish' on the SH is one piece with very little thermal loss. Perhaps I'm completely off here as well. Just my observation. WINNER: It's a wash IMO. VROD just needs a higher temp.

TWAX - Due to the differences I've listed above...this is where I prefer the SH. Up to this point, I'd pick the VROD. The thing is, I like full extractions. My ABV is quite dark when I'm done. It is not combustion by any means but I imagine I push it further than most. Especially more than someone who flavor chases. The problem I have with the VROD in this department is that in order for me to get the concentrate fully spent, I have to turn the temp up, which then gives me a VERY roasty flower. I feel like the SH, being all titanium, experiences less thermal loss and can TWAX at a temperature more desirable for both flower and concentrate. Also, as many have also stated, I don't consider twax hits to be that great flavor wise. Hence another reason I don't think the SIC dish is as necessary for TWAX hits. IMO, TWAX is all about the potency punch. WINNER: SH

Again though, this is just my findings/opinion/.02/etc. And I'm also not into flavor chasing as much...got to get the most bang for my buck lol. Not trying to deter anyone from either solution; rather trying to help if someone is on the fence. The fact is, either unit will perform exceptionally. I'm merely trying to describe the differences that I've seen...and may just be MY OPINIONS.

I did have some issues initially with the dish not being tight enough after heating up which really affected the performance of the dish. It did dramatically improve after tightening although the above findings are AFTER tightening things down.
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For those looking to take their Flowerpot dabs to the next level, consider adding some ruby or sapphire spheres to the dish. Major improvement that allows for more complete vaporization at lower temps.

I've been using 5mm spheres with great success in both the 25mm and 28mm NV SiC dishes. The spheres definitely move around the dish using the Vrod carb cap.

More info about the spheres can be found here:


http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/sapphire-ruby-beads-spheres-for-concentrates.31203/
 
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