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A little help choosing something for concentrates?

Old_muel

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:wave:Heya first post, brand new to concentrates & been dabbling in a bit of rosin in the tubo & grasshopper (me likey) & now looking for a dedicated wax/dab pen to replace un-reliable hopper for out-&-about stealth purposes. Coil-less dish/buckets/donuts seems like a must to me for efficiency & stealth, (not really a cloud-chaser), & pen type form-factor is quite appealing although do have a box-mod (pico) & not opposed to that route if stealth could be maintained & significant advantages gained (temp control??). Also a bit of a stickler for materials safety (thins choices out a heap) & like the idea of being able to load a half decent amount at once, would probly sacrifice some quality-of-vapor for ability to load a little more if that's possible (less fucking around while out) but also am not a full on heavy user like some here, having never even dabbed before (can't fucking wait to try a real dab rig one day, no-one's into that shit where i am yet though :shrug:), hercules looks not stealth enough & sounds too finicky. Locally I've been looking at dr dabber aurora, kandypens gravity (both shitty re-brands w questionable materials yeah?), yocan magneto (mixed reviews, possible questionable materials & unsuitable atomizer?) or source slim 4 (seriously considering, are these decent & safe, could this be used on my pico with temp control & how much can ya load?). Anything else looks like it'd be 35usd or more int shipping (ouch but worth it if something's more preferable). Omicron v5 looks good but people seem to dislike the sirius atty?. Any thoughts or opinions guys, any reason not to go source? Any other safe, efficient, stealthy options that hold more that a few hits that you'd recommend? Cheers.
 
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HD Springer

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You said coil-less so I’m sure you won’t like what I’ve been using BUT the FireBox from Hits on Demand is my absolute fav way to medicate while out and about. You can load an entire gram and hit it all day and the taste stays damn good all the way through it so long as you keep the heat low enough. It’s pricy but I won’t go back to anything else so long as I have this.
 

Old_muel

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Hardly anything about it anywhere but shit that sounds pretty damn amazing, can't find a photo anywhere of it on a mod. It does look like it'd be fairly small & inconspicuous, how is it stealth wise when on a mod? Thanks man
 

florduh

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The Humboldt Vape Tech Saionara with Top airflow and Ti bucket.

I've tried tons of Wax Pens and always had lackluster results.

The TAF Sai delivers tasty vapor every time. I haven't fucked with the settings since I got it.

And you just Q-Tip it after every Session.

Nice and Easy.
 
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Old_muel

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Thanks I kinda got turned off the Sai after reading endless shit on reddit about recent materials safety concerns & general shadyness, maybe too hastily dunno:shrug:, but better safe than sorry for me where materials are concerned, though it does seem the only ones with any actual lab results are w9 & source. Does the Sai have a thread on here, I don't think I've seen it yet? How much can ya load in it I think I remember reading it works best with just few hits worth then ya have to reload, I'm after more of a hassle-free out-&-about experience like at least a few seshes type thing if possible, how much do you load in it? Fuck that Firebox from Hits on Demand looks AWESOME (Duh there's a pic with it on a mod on their site) but it appears they only ship to USA & Canada, I've hit them up & awaiting a reply :), Cheers guys.
 
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I have the Sai and the DV3 and the and the and the and the...... as far as I am concerned they all sit in the drawer and I use the Arcadia Longmada Motar. Quartz cup that wipes nice and clean. Top flow. However, the thing about this one that puts all the others in the drawer is that it never seems to get too hot to the touch. I am a chain smoker and I do hit after hit after hit. My Sai gets so hot that I can't even touch it. The DV3 is a tiny bit better but not much. The Motar has fins on the side like the VapCap that cool the unit so well, it almost never gets hot to the touch.

The stem is a love me or hate me. I think they have a straight stem version also but the one I have (actually, I have 2) have the 'giraffe' stem that comes out the side. I love that but it takes away from the 'put it in a pocket' feature that I can get with the Sai or the DV3.

I bought mine in the USA from the authorized distributor in Denver and had it in a couple days.Search Longmada Motar on eBay. Under 25 bux.

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florduh

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Thanks I kinda got turned off the Sai after reading endless shit on reddit about recent materials safety concerns & general shadyness

Reddit has a bunch of pant wetters. Even if the Sai is made out of the worst Titanium on earth... you'll never get your mod hot enough to experience any off gassing. Overblown in my opinion. I guarantee I've shaved more years off my life from stress dealing with other wax pens that always ended up being a pain in the ass than I ever will from "untested metals" on the Sai.

The TAF Sai just works, for me.

Also... how is this Firebox thing not an outrageously overpriced RDA?

I don't see how jamming a gram of shatter into a RDA housing is going to end well, but if you wanted to try it... buy the coils, and slap them in another RDA housing.
 
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HD Springer

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Hardly anything about it anywhere but shit that sounds pretty damn amazing, can't find a photo anywhere of it on a mod. It does look like it'd be fairly small & inconspicuous, how is it stealth wise when on a mod? Thanks man

I first seen it on IG. And just like @al bundy said they have their own store and web site. They are from the Colorado area and are supper cool to deal with. I tried to read up on them on reddit but reddit seems to be very negative on everything I seem to like. Lol. It’s not a cheap device $139 I believe. Comes with 2 coils already installed. I would order more coils. Also I’ve been running mine with only 1 coil installed and absolutely love it that way. Still gives some of the biggest/tastiest hits I’ve ever had on a portable device. My only complaint would be for that cost the mouth piece is just a cheap little piece that detracts from all the great things about it. Just my opinion.
 
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tennisguru1

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I have the Sai and the DV3 and the and the and the and the...... as far as I am concerned they all sit in the drawer and I use the Arcadia Longmada Motar. Quartz cup that wipes nice and clean. Top flow. However, the thing about this one that puts all the others in the drawer is that it never seems to get too hot to the touch. I am a chain smoker and I do hit after hit after hit. My Sai gets so hot that I can't even touch it. The DV3 is a tiny bit better but not much. The Motar has fins on the side like the VapCap that cool the unit so well, it almost never gets hot to the touch.

The stem is a love me or hate me. I think they have a straight stem version also but the one I have (actually, I have 2) have the 'giraffe' stem that comes out the side. I love that but it takes away from the 'put it in a pocket' feature that I can get with the Sai or the DV3.

I bought mine in the USA from the authorized distributor in Denver and had it in a couple days.Search Longmada Motar on eBay. Under 25 bux.

s-l500.jpg


Are they as good as their ceramic donuts also?
 
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florduh

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I have the Sai and the DV3 and the and the and the and the...... as far as I am concerned they all sit in the drawer and I use the Arcadia Longmada Motar. Quartz cup that wipes nice and clean. Top flow. However, the thing about this one that puts all the others in the drawer is that it never seems to get too hot to the touch. I am a chain smoker and I do hit after hit after hit. My Sai gets so hot that I can't even touch it. The DV3 is a tiny bit better but not much. The Motar has fins on the side like the VapCap that cool the unit so well, it almost never gets hot to the touch.

The stem is a love me or hate me. I think they have a straight stem version also but the one I have (actually, I have 2) have the 'giraffe' stem that comes out the side. I love that but it takes away from the 'put it in a pocket' feature that I can get with the Sai or the DV3.

I bought mine in the USA from the authorized distributor in Denver and had it in a couple days.Search Longmada Motar on eBay. Under 25 bux.

s-l500.jpg

Have you used the Top Airflow Sai with the Ti Bucket? If so, how would you compare it to this? Also, is there any Temp control available on it?

I've never found the Sai to get too hot, but I only do two dab cycles, 3-4 hits each, in a row. Any more than that and I'd be on the floor. The TAF Sai also has a similar heat sink. The top cap of the Sai can get hot, but the heat sink helps to dissipate the heat pretty quickly.

That having been said, I'd like to find a quartz bucket that works. But the Motar is a at home only device given that the straw makes it look like a futuristic crack pipe.
 

asdf420

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Could use some dynavap/atomizer handling gloves

there was also a side bubbler + motar combo on ebay. would love a straight stem, and a GonG adapter
 
My Sai top flow does not have cooling fins. Maybe they have a newer model. The Sai works OK (although I don't like metal buckets) but it was too damn hot to even return to my pocket after using it. Granted, like I said before, I am a chain smoker. Still, the Motar never gets hot and I use it the same way.

I also use the Motar with my water bong. I simply stick the end of the mouthpiece into the hose on my Arizer Extreme elbow and it pops right into the bong.

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If that doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll snap a picture for you.

Also, there are other mouthpieces available. Plus, some mouthpieces from other vapes might work. I'll check some out.

Overall, this puppy wins the race.
 

florduh

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Shiiiiiit this thing looks pretty sweet too.

https://www.advancedvapesupply.com/products/molecule-rebuildable-dab-atomizer

It's a rebuildable RDA made specifically for Wax. The coils sit at the bottom of a Quartz bucket so there is zero waste. Looks like a very solid option, though I'm shocked it took this long for something like it to come out. And it's only $50, not over $130 like the Firebox. How the Firebox people have the balls to charge that much for an off-the-shelf RDA and coils is beyond me. Advanced Vape Supply actually created an innovative product and charges less than half that.
My Sai top flow does not have cooling fins. Maybe they have a newer model. The Sai works OK (although I don't like metal buckets) but it was too damn hot to even return to my pocket after using it. Granted, like I said before, I am a chain smoker. Still, the Motar never gets hot and I use it the same way.

I also use the Motar with my water bong. I simply stick the end of the mouthpiece into the hose on my Arizer Extreme elbow and it pops right into the bong.

s-l500.jpg


If that doesn't make sense, let me know and I'll snap a picture for you.

Also, there are other mouthpieces available. Plus, some mouthpieces from other vapes might work. I'll check some out.

Overall, this puppy wins the race.


Very interesting. I would like to see Temp Control on it, but will likely give it a whirl at some point. And I take your point about the Sai being to hot to put in your pocket... but how do you get the Motar in your pocket with the straw thing?
 
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Old_muel

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Thanks heaps guys good stuff there, yeah gotta pass on the motar purely due to the unwieldy crack-pipe appearance, definately aiming for super-stealth chameleon style here as I'm in a non-friendly country :disgust: so either generic vape-pen or generic box-mod appearance it is. Hits on Hand got back to me & it'd be 180usd for the Firebox shipped:o, unfortunately out of my budget now but on my radar for the future, actually being a concentrate virgin never having dabbed or even used a wax pen yet I'm now kinda wondering if the large capacity is really even needed & if a more simple mainstream pen style might do me for a first device, also having never dabbled in coil building & such, the molecule rda definitely seems a bit complex for a first device so that's out. Tough decision (although am known to over-think things, both a blessing & a curse of course). Sai is out too as I've been looking at the Triton os now aswell & would get that rather than the Sai. Linx hypnos zero I could get for a half-decent price though it seems a bit outdated? (& expensive atomizers). Source slim 4 is sold out locally now (:cry: was lookin good too) so basically atm I'm down to Triton os or Linx zero (or a better pen one if you guys can recommend, dr dabber aurora & puffco plus both seem pretty over-hyped with sub-par performmance, durability & materials right?) Found a 15% coupon for puffitup, any way to get any more off, Thanks so much folks, FC rules!!!
 
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tennisguru1

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Thanks heaps guys good stuff there, yeah gotta pass on the motar purely due to the unwieldy crack-pipe appearance, definately aiming for super-stealth chameleon style here as I'm in a non-friendly country :disgust: so either generic vape-pen or generic box-mod appearance it is. Hits on Hand got back to me & it'd be 180usd for the Firebox shipped:o, unfortunately out of my budget now but on my radar for the future, actually being a concentrate virgin never having dabbed or even used a wax pen yet I'm now kinda wondering if the large capacity is really even needed & if a more simple mainstream pen style might do me for a first device, also having never dabbled in coil building & such, the molecule rda definitely seems a bit complex for a first device so that's out. Tough decision (although am known to over-think things, both a blessing & a curse of course). Sai is out too as I've been looking at the Triton os now aswell & would get that rather than the Sai. Linx hypnos zero I could get for a half-decent price though it seems a bit outdated? (& expensive atomizers). Source slim 4 is sold out locally now (:cry: was lookin good too) so basically atm I'm down to Triton os or Linx zero (or a better pen one if you guys can recommend, dr dabber aurora & puffco plus both seem pretty over-hyped with sub-par performmance, durability & materials right?) Found a 15% coupon for puffitup, any way to get any more off, Thanks so much folks, FC rules!!!

https://www.fasttech.com/products/3031/10023953/5191003

You will love this for simplicity & Stealth.
Carry little balls of shatter in bottom.
When you get the hang of a TC Mod, this thing Kick's Ass
in TCR . Get Ceramic Donut Coils for taste & it comes with
2 Quartz Coils for Clouds, not my thing, love donut taste.

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10025073/5466000-authentic-yocan-evolve-plus-replacement-ceramic

You can get these from puffitup or wherever you like to shop.
Many say they do or don't like fasttech, I always have gotten
real stuff, real good price & not so fast, lol.

Good luck, have fun
 
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florduh

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Thanks heaps guys good stuff there, yeah gotta pass on the motar purely due to the unwieldy crack-pipe appearance, definately aiming for super-stealth chameleon style here as I'm in a non-friendly country :disgust: so either generic vape-pen or generic box-mod appearance it is. Hits on Hand got back to me & it'd be 180usd for the Firebox shipped:o, unfortunately out of my budget now but on my radar for the future, actually being a concentrate virgin never having dabbed or even used a wax pen yet I'm now kinda wondering if the large capacity is really even needed & if a more simple mainstream pen style might do me for a first device, also having never dabbled in coil building & such, the molecule rda definitely seems a bit complex for a first device so that's out. Tough decision (although am known to over-think things, both a blessing & a curse of course). Sai is out too as I've been looking at the Triton os now aswell & would get that rather than the Sai. Linx hypnos zero I could get for a half-decent price though it seems a bit outdated? (& expensive atomizers). Source slim 4 is sold out locally now (:cry: was lookin good too) so basically atm I'm down to Triton os or Linx zero (or a better pen one if you guys can recommend, dr dabber aurora & puffco plus both seem pretty over-hyped with sub-par performmance, durability & materials right?) Found a 15% coupon for puffitup, any way to get any more off, Thanks so much folks, FC rules!!!

i’ll just throw it out there one more time, that an easy to use, load as you go option, that looks like a regular E-cig describes the TAF Sai perfectly. I’m sure the Triton is good. I may even pick one up after they work out the kinks and offer top air flow. But right now, making it work right seems a bit complex for me. And I’m pretty well versed in getting e-cig mods to work right.

The Yocan @tennisguru1 mentioned is another solid, simple option. Many people started with it.

And as far as the Firebox goes... the owners of that company should either be in jail, or in the Capitalism hall of fame. Their entire business model is praying their customers don’t learn FastTech exists.
 

Old_muel

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Thanks Florduh the Sai really does seem pretty perfect, only concern being materials my paranoia just really got piqued reading all that shit on reddit, does it have a thread on here don't think I've really seen it mentioned much are there many FC'ers using it? Chime in if ya want y'all hey hey what's up :wave:. Not real worried bout Ti off-gassing it was more just the mentions of some foreign tastes & smells & ceramic possibly being inferior quality & flaking/chipping then being inhaled, & the owner apparrently going MIA after being pressured about materials, yeah all heresay but that's all it takes to muddy the waters & turn people off, especially if there's other more appearingly known-safe options but I guess when it comes down to it for any of em we just don't know, & living under capitalism where money is god of course the majority of em aren't gonna have our health as their top priority (see I can overthink shit a bit:lol:). Are the ceramic donuts fully sealed off from the underneath I'd be using those ones I reckon? Hmm just dunno, any opinion on whether W9 deserve their seeming reputation of being the most health conscious? That's the only reason I've been leaning towards the triton, guess I'd rather have to work out some kinks but have known-safe materials if that is actually the case.

And wow thanks tennisguru that's an insane price! Shows how much the retailers are making. So you can also use it on a mod for a bit of TC action? it says ego threaded & my pico is 510 I think, I guess I'd need an adapter or does it already have one that comes off to make it 510?, and how do you tell when you get it if it's real or not? This one is extremely tempting but does seem a little risky, cheers man.

I think my choice is now down to the Sai or the Triton. Considerable price difference, more reading to do, Thanks again guys.
 
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florduh

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Thanks Florduh the Sai really does seem pretty perfect, only concern being materials my paranoia just really got piqued reading all that shit on reddit, does it have a thread on here don't think I've really seen it mentioned much are there many FC'ers using it? Chime in if ya want y'all hey hey what's up :wave:. Not real worried bout Ti off-gassing it was more just the mentions of some foreign tastes & smells & ceramic possibly being inferior quality & flaking/chipping then being inhaled, & the owner apparrently going MIA after being pressured about materials, yeah all heresay but that's all it takes to muddy the waters & turn people off, especially if there's other more appearingly known-safe options but I guess when it comes down to it for any of em we just don't know, & living under capitalism where money is god of course the majority of em aren't gonna have our health as their top priority (see I can overthink shit a bit:lol:). Are the ceramic donuts fully sealed off from the underneath I'd be using those ones I reckon? Hmm just dunno, any opinion on whether W9 deserve their seeming reputation of being the most health conscious? That's the only reason I've been leaning towards the triton, guess I'd rather have to work out some kinks but have known-safe materials if that is actually the case.

And wow thanks tennisguru that's an insane price! Shows how much the retailers are making. So you can also use it on a mod for a bit of TC action? it says ego threaded & my pico is 510 I think, I guess I'd need an adapter or does it already have one that comes off to make it 510?, and how do you tell when you get it if it's real or not? This one is extremely tempting but does seem a little risky, cheers man.

I think my choice is now down to the Yocan from fasstech AND the Sai - or the Triton. Thanks again guys.

My opinion is, the safety stuff on Reddit is extremely overblown. Ti offgassing isn't a concern at the temperatures we're talking about... and with the TI bucket the ceramic donut is completely sealed so there's no chance of inhaling anything from there.

I guarantee I've shaved more years off of my life from stress, fucking around with other finicky vape devices than I ever have using "untested metals" in my vapes. That having been said, inhaling anything other than air is a risk. Even on supposedly "safe" devices. If that's a big concern... there are always edibles.

I've heard the Triton is coming out with a Top Airflow Top. So maybe it'll work just as good as the Sai. But you'll be a pioneer using it, while the Sai trails are well worn.
 
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Evilevile

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The Humboldt Vape Tech Saionara with Top airflow and Ti bucket.

I've tried tons of Wax Pens and always had lackluster results.

The TAF Sai delivers tasty vapor every time. I haven't fucked with the settings since I got it.

And you just Q-Tip it after every Session.

Nice and Easy.

I'm convinced now and I'm seriously looking to get the Sai from HVT.
So Top Airflow and Ti Bucket
luckily the SS has has the Ti Bucket, since all the Ti stuff is sold out.

It's the many different types of coils that scares me away.
Can you please recommend what specific coils I should get? Thanks
 
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Old_muel

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Yeah I think I'm coming round too, They do have extra Ti bucket coils on their site pretty sure, wondering what the miracle a & b coils are all about, probly just stick to the Ti bucket myself anyway. Oh & have ya killed any coils yet? So no thread for it on here yet?
 
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florduh

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I'm convinced now and I'm seriously looking to get the Sai from HVT.
So Top Airflow and Ti Bucket
luckily the SS has has the Ti Bucket, since all the Ti stuff is sold out.

It's the many different types of coils that scares me away.
Can you please recommend what specific coils I should get? Thanks

I have the SS TAF Sai. Works great. Actually I just have the old bottom Airflow Sai with the new Top Cap.

I'm probably not the best to give recommendations on coils. I find them to be more trouble than they're worth. You have to make sure the resistance is set correctly, every time. And they get dirty with reclaim, quick. That having been said, they CAN hit a bit harder than buckets since the concentrate is on the heating element. The Triple Ti quartz coil worked well for me. You could also try the Kanthal Quartz Coil for big rips... and it's easy since you just use it in Wattage mode.

But I'm all about the buckets. Because the donut coil indirectly heats the bucket... you don't need the settings to be "perfect". Just good enough. Much easier than coils. And because you can Q-tip it... ya get a perfectly clean tasting hit every time. It's all I use now. Haven't fucked with the settings in months.

Yeah I think I'm coming round too, They do have extra Ti bucket coils on their site pretty sure, wondering what the miracle a & b coils are all about, probly just stick to the Ti bucket myself anyway. So no thread for it on here yet?

The Miracle B is good for distillate. But there's no Temp control and it's hard to clean. I just stick with buckets.

I don't think there's a dedicated thread to the Sai on FC. It just pops up in different threads. If you search I know I've talked about it before.
 
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