New to banger use ???

Hi,

New to rosin pressing so decided it's time to up my game from vaping rosin in a regular vape to at least a banger and torch.

I've a tiny, I presume quartz, banger and just got my Liba torch. Orange hot glass and let cool, add dab and I suck at this!
Dab doesn't want to fall off my tool, but some does and vapes , I have no carb cap. Retorch leftovers and quick hit as it's going up---yes, nasty for you experienced dabbers but I worked fricken hard for every mg of my measly rosin stash---I'm getting what I can
Now stuck on leftovers on dabber.

To get that mini size male banger connection to work on any of my glass I had to do a 3 piece stack to the banger bowl so it is airborn and not supremely stable too.

I probably need to go back and see what banger/cap @psychonaut recommended as a cheap combo would be a great upgrade---and with proper 14 mm or 10 mm male connector.

Cleaning w torch ?? It worked so well on the bowl, can I flip it over and burn off the residue in the next section, a 90 degree curved glass? It has a bunch of gunk now.

Glow temp ? at what temp does the glass stop glowing? How long after that should one drop the dab?
It seems like when it stops glowing would be an excellent and repeatable starting point for a count to start.

Good experience, to at least find out what I don't know and try to learn it

Any other advice? Any Liba torch owners---is the gas gauge supposed to do something? Loose spring visible in tank but it never moves. Selling point was easy to read gauge??

EDIT-found the cheapo banger recommended. anybody use this one? What's up with opaque bottom, to better see your dab dance?? or what?

https://www.dhgate.com/store/product/newest-gavel-quartz-banger-opaque-bottom/408874218.html

I really like this quartz cap, you just drop it on. I do wish it had some kind of handle though:


It's actually on sale for $6 (from $8):
https://www.thickassglass.com/products/tag-quartz-banger-carb-cap

@MinnBobber can you share a pic of the banger or dimensions? The carb cap is going to greatly increase vapor production and decrease pooling. If you have your dab on the tip of your dabber, you can just touch it against the side of the banger towards the bottom, it should help it melt off onto the quartz. It's possible the banger got too cool? I think it's going to probably end up taking some experimenting with a stopwatch, just beware those hot dabs are not so pleasant

psychonaut said:

If you have your dab on the tip of your dabber, you can just touch it against the side of the banger towards the bottom, it should help it melt off onto the quartz. It's possible the banger got too cool? I think it's going to probably end up taking some experimenting with a stopwatch, just beware those hot dabs are not so pleasant

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Thanks. Early on I touched against the side of the banger, towards the bottom and some came off and some formed a coating on the dabber.
Later, I tried while just below glowing to "prep the dabber"/ get it preheated so that residue might come off the dabber better when I touch the side. I was holding close to bottom and side BUT it touched the side and ... you are correct @psychonaut , those hot dabs are not so pleasant----like a dab from a blast furnace.

I was amazed how heating the dirty banger got it so clean and also amazed that:
it spread the heat so far that it melted the end of my wonderful VapCap water adapter, the Delrin end melted to the
hot glass at the very tip. After selective heating/cooling/ twisting it is now free BUT the end of the Delrin slightly mushroomed and won't allow removal of the banger. I've been twisting and twisting, made some toothpaste grinding paste to try to get it off. Some small progress as it twists easier but still stuck.
Worst case I case I sacrifice the glass banger to save the Wong-- and then smooth out the slightly melted Delrin tip.

If I save the banger, can I hold with approp high temp material and torch the middle section to get it clean??
Live and learn...
I hope to squish some more soon so what's the best for rosin storage: parchment paper?- start but I assume that's not good for longterm.
JyARZ Chico ?..but I assume rosin will stick to glass like crazy. I pulled last residue off dabber with my fingers, when still warm, and that stuff is sticky. I immediately sucked on spot on my finger and it's now like a perm birthmark
Or those little silicone jars??--maybe get some on my next order from Roger...

I will say this---today I felt the potential for dabbing rosin on a couple good hits vs the mis-fires. It did start to feel like a clean high with good pain relief
EDIT-banger bowl is about 3/4"ID

You discovered the reason why you pretty much only want to have glass pieces with your rig when torching! Hope everything comes apart so you can at least use that banger if you get a glass adapter piece to use it with, or a different rig.

I'd just start over with a new nail and carb cap combo, something that'll fit your WT. Is that a 14mm or is it a 10mm?

The gavel+bubble cap you linked up above would be a good choice, maybe a bit large for your doses? The opaque bottom helps with nucleation points I believe so the oil vaporizes better than a regular banger.

If you can get an adapter and that carb cap @StormyPinkness posted you'd be golden.

For rosin or any concentrate I've converted over to glass lip balm style containers. Stuff will get stuck in there but you just add more to it and you never miss it. If and when you get to the point where you're at your last bit of meds left, use a dab tool and scrape it out. Any small amount left in the jar after a scrape is negligible, it comes out to be not enough medicine to matter.

holy cow, that was a battle to save my banger, but it's now free

The melted Delrin had mushroomed into the banger so it was a bad stuck. After about an hour of fighting with hot and cold, twisting and twisting, soap lotions to slick it, toothpaste paste for grit to grind the bad spot---finally.

Temporary banger but only one I have, so needed to save it. Need to buy a 10 mm male to 14 mm male to make this an all glass path.
Early next week I'm hoping to show a couple of friends a squish and dab session. That should be a comedy...

Any idea on how long to wait to dab after glowing glass banger just ceases to glow? It seemed like it glowed for 10 sec after torching, then ceased glowing and I waited another 15 seconds to dab??? Next session I should time it so I can adjust.

Try heating it for about 20 seconds, then give it 20 seconds to cool off. If it tastes too hot, on the next dab try 20 seconds torch, 30 seconds cool off. Adjust as needed. You'll know when you got it right =)

Glad you got it all apart, local head shops should have what you're looking for. Bring the banger and rig just in case! While you're there definitely look for a carb cap, you really get a lot more out of your dabs with lower temps this way.

Hope you're having good luck @MinnBobber - a carb cap will help for sure. What banger are you using? I like the flat top style bangers like the one you linked in your first post.

For some reason, i cannot see these images. But if you dont already have it, like @invertedisdead said, Flat Top is the only way to go. Possibly even a thermal/jacketed style bucket too. This allows you to use a bubble cap which is really effective way of moving the oil to get more vape.

If your dabbing Rosin, i would go low temp dabs at about 450F. As far as temp, grab a stop watch, use your phone or a watch. Heat for 45 sec, let it cool for a min and ten seconds. Then on the cooling time, adjust 5 secs from there depending on if its hot or not to you.

If you have the funds, grab a IR gun for like $25. If you go that route, you would need a flat top bucket that has frosting on it so the IR reads. IR cannot read glass.

MinnBobber said:

I have no carb cap.

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Then you need to get one.

Baron23 said:

Then you need to get one.

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I ordered this cheapo dhgate to start with: banger and carb cap
https://www.dhgate.com/product/whol...r-nail-female/396619465.html#cart_view-1-null

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I ordered this cheapo dhgate to start with: banger and carb cap
https://www.dhgate.com/product/whol...r-nail-female/396619465.html#cart_view-1-null

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IMO caps make all the difference in the world.

What is the purpose of the bangers with a "frosted bottom"?
What the difference, vs clear quartz?

MinnBobber said:

What is the purpose of the bangers with a "frosted bottom"?
What the difference, vs clear quartz?

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https://www.highlyeducatedti.com/blogs/information/study-quartz-insert-performance-opaque-vs-clear

Edit: Also a diff technique, and IMO if you're gonna mess with bangers n torches, is drop your material in a coolish bucket, cap it, and lightly torch the corner and bottom of the bucket until you see light whisps, it'll take some tuning and a few dabs to get it down but this way your bucket never ever gets super hot and you use way less fuel and waste waaaaay less time. Ive never seen a banger, when used in this method, get chazzed up or burn any material.

2nd edit: IR guns DO read glass....this is why they can NOT be used for aquariums....this has been a thing since they have been released, just make sure you actually set the correct emissivity setting in the gun for glass.

@MinnBobber Iam going through a similar journey as you right now, learning how to dab and deciding on a quartz banger. My first banger is on its way from here:
https://www.quartzbangers.com/collections/all

I went with the basic 2mm banger to start out with my kitchen torch. Only problem is I accidently ordered a slant and not a flat top. I'm hoping the only cap I have, a ceramic cap meant for a domeless ceramic nail, will work. We will see.

I have been practicing dabs on that ceramic nail for now and after researching, I found some advice on how long to cool before dabbing. IDK if it is correct or not, but it has worked so far for me. After I'm done heating the nail I wait 20 sec then put my hand above the nail about 1-2 inches. If it is not too hot to hold your hand there then it is cool enough to dab. Not very scientific and maybe I wait too long but I've been getting good hits with little residue without burning my throat. I'm just sharing my experience because I've just started out myself.

Best wishes on your journey. Eventually, this pathway can lead to all kinds of discussion about enails, and coil sizes, and sapphire inserts, and ruby fucking beads that spin around. The options and price tags are endless.

I'm just gonna say it, you can get a very respectable enail setup for about $100 these days, I wouldn't fiddle around with torching too much if you're serious about moving towards concentrates. Torched dabs are worth having in the arsenal for sure, but the ease of use really can't compare to an e-nail. My biggest vape regret is not buying an enail YEARS back.

invertedisdead said:

I wouldn't fiddle around with torching too much if you're serious about moving towards concentrates.

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Thanks.
Yes, I'm looking at torching as just a cheap test-run as I dabble with rosin tech. If rosin tech becomes a part of my routine, then e-nails are an option.

I am reading all the enail threads---already wondering what system/brand would be best for use with SIC or Obsidian ?
And if "rolling balls" would help get the party started

But first--get a basic quartz banger to try torching.

I still would like to know: when a glowing banger bottom stops glowing, what temp is that? Is that temp relatively stable between all quartz bangers?? Then doing a countdown from there, like dab 15 seconds after glow disappears...

MinnBobber said:

But first--get a basic quartz banger to try torching.

I still would like to know: when a glowing banger bottom stops glowing, what temp is that? Is that temp relatively stable between all quartz bangers?? Then doing a countdown from there, like dab 15 seconds after glow disappears...

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The temp varies because bangers are made from various thicknesses which affect the heat-up and cool-down times. For example my 25mm banger has a 4mm opaque quartz floor, so I let it cool for about 60 seconds before dabbing when doing a torched hit. I never torch until glowing though, that's too hot and will promote devitrification.

invertedisdead said:

The temp varies because bangers are made from various thicknesses which affect the heat-up and cool-down times. For example my 25mm banger has a 4mm opaque quartz floor, so I let it cool for about 60 seconds before dabbing when doing a torched hit. I never torch until glowing though, that's too hot and will promote devitrification.

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@invertedisdead, how do you know when to stop heating then? Practice with the same banger?

MinnBobber said:

But first--get a basic quartz banger to try torching.

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+1 on that. The enail threads are fun to explore, but confusing too. I'll be there soon.

Sorry mods, I meant to edit and not double post.

If your using a good torch such like a Big Shot, you will never need to torch any quartz for over a one minute. For a 25mm buckets, 40-50 secs.

For me, i am way too lazy and use a IR gun and since my inserts are frosted, the IR gun works just fine. From my experience, 60 secs with the big shot will get you to 900F at the very least. I would say closer to 1K F. Tons of times i forget how long im torching and stop at about a min or more.

Also cooling times would vary depending on like what @invertedisdead said, quartz thickness not only in the base but the wall as well and if you are using an insert.

BabyFacedFinster said:

@invertedisdead, how do you know when to stop heating then? Practice with the same banger?

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Yup just gotta practice and find your sweet spot for your normal dab size and your banger setup. I'm lazy so I tend to divert to the enail but as long as you are timing your torching it shouldn't take long to get some good rips going!

practice and see if your hits are too hot or if it pools too long at the bottom.