Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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I'm puzzled as well.... as don't we naturally very simply decarb via vaporization anyway?
I have had "activated rosin" which is just rosin heated up and decarbed further. Tasted funky...kinda like chocolate! But I can't see decarbed bud being very tasty.... and wouldn't all the terpenes be bye bye?
Dubmonkey
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my Understanding is that the Lift can decarb material better than any oven process. During the decarb process the THC and CBD are being converted almost point for point to THCa and CBDa. So 20% THC then you end up with 19.x% of THCa. Supposedly when you combust or vape the conversion for THC to THCa is not as efficient in converting so it might be only 10% instead of 19.x%. Again this is just my understanding from the lift materials. Not trying to derail this epic thread. Just sharing how effective the VROD was in crushing that decarbbed material as it took me to a space I have been able to reach in a while. Also tried same material not processed through the lift with a few hours between sampling. More research to be conducted....back to the VROD vroom vroom.
If you've ever dabbed distillate, that's decarbed THC-a. Gets you wrecked especially if you already have some full spectrum to go along with it.
Thats fascinating. I will research. Thanks.
Not recommended at all by NV. It will reduce the life of the coil. Just a dribble of ISO, or a gentle heating then a wipe, scrape etc. works fine for me.
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Chicken #420
I and I be Irie Vaping with U and U in Zion, mon!
Hey folks,
@dubmonkey, @psychonaut... the compound THCa is the starting Carboxylic Acid (non-psychoactive) form fresh from the plant, and the process goes backwards to what you are all posting. THCa is the Carboxylic Acid form of the molecule that the plant produces, heat breaks off the COOH (carboxylic acid) group, leaving psychoactive THC and CO2 as products.
@dubmonkey, @psychonaut... the compound THCa is the starting Carboxylic Acid (non-psychoactive) form fresh from the plant, and the process goes backwards to what you are all posting. THCa is the Carboxylic Acid form of the molecule that the plant produces, heat breaks off the COOH (carboxylic acid) group, leaving psychoactive THC and CO2 as products.
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Actually, yeah, re-reading dubmonkeys post, they have the thc and thc-a round the wrong way.
I knew that, but missed it. Duh
kilo
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I have come to really appreciate the NewVape fine grinder. It really seems to make a difference. As far as dry vs. fresh, the FP is so powerful that it doesn't seem to make much difference, unlike some of the portables where the heater struggles to evaporate any moisture.
I am confused, are you saying the proper nomenclature should have been decarbed THC?
Well I figured for my first quartz dab off the VROD I would try doing an uptemp hit by cold loading the quartz dish with some wax and dropping it on the VROD without the retaining nut; worked really well until I snagged it taking the carb cap off and it fell and shattered on my desk. It sounded like a brilliant idea at first 
in the name of science!
in the name of science!
Chicken #420
I and I be Irie Vaping with U and U in Zion, mon!
Proper name would be Decarboxylated THC, or just THC. Decarbed THC would probably be workable and understood, but it's not correct chemistry terminology.
THCa (Acid form) is used only to identify the non-psychoactive form that the plant produces, with the extra COOH (Carboxylic Acid) group still attached.
Chicken #420
I and I be Irie Vaping with U and U in Zion, mon!
Has anyone been using any kinda glass carb cap with either the SH or VROD?
It would be cool to see whats going on in the dish. Or am I asking for trouble by suggesting such a thing?
A quartz showercap?
I have a clear glass carb cap that fits ShowerHead. Nothing really to see, other than a few occasional vapors at the start and end of the hit. Unimpressed... so I use my Titanium "PagodaCap" most of the time, or at least I did before concentrates diminished in my life. I don't often cap all-flower hits, so it really doesn't get used much any more.
Fast and raw is how my SH rolls these days...
I have a clear glass carb cap that fits ShowerHead. Nothing really to see, other than a few occasional vapors at the start and end of the hit. Unimpressed... so I use my Titanium "PagodaCap" most of the time, or at least I did before concentrates diminished in my life. I don't often cap all-flower hits, so it really doesn't get used much any more.
Fast and raw is how my SH rolls these days...
Excellent feedback
Thanks.You like it raw?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
So I'm still having issues dabbing off of my quartz VRod. I have to have the temp over 750 to get any kind of decent hit. Lower than 700 and I just get wispy hits and still get pooling after hitting for >45 sec. These are small dabs too, 1/2 of a grain of rice, maybe a full grain on occasion.
I am able to get flower performance that is roughly equal to the SH. I have been bouncing around temps, trying to find what I like best. 650ish capped is giving me good flower performance, but still need to dial it in.
So what's my issue with weak dabs requiring a higher temp, when everyone else is able to lower temps with the VRod?
Since my Vrod gets hot enough to vape flower effectively, I don't think it's my coil, or an air leak somewhere in the head/bowl.
When I bought the Vrod, I bought 2 quartz dishes in case I broke one. I swapped to the other dish, just in case it was my dish that's the issue. Exact same results.
I have two NV coils, both produce the same results.
Thinking I'm just imagining the issue, I swap back to my 20mm quartz Wrap Around and set it to 666, my preferred temp to dab off my WA.
Bam, immediate thick vapor and great flavor. I'm using the same concentrates, so that's not a variable.
Having the Vrod at 777 gets me clouds that aren't even as dense as the WA at 666, and the taste on the Vrod is starting to suffer at that point due to the temps.
@waxdab23 you suggested earlier that my retaining nut for the dish might be on upside down. I've put it on both ways and haven't seen a difference either way. Is there definitely a right and wrong orientation for the nut?
@Zangano Cruel my coil was/is definitely NOT installed upside down, so that's not the issue either.
Anyone have any insight on what my issue might be?
Thanks.
I am able to get flower performance that is roughly equal to the SH. I have been bouncing around temps, trying to find what I like best. 650ish capped is giving me good flower performance, but still need to dial it in.
So what's my issue with weak dabs requiring a higher temp, when everyone else is able to lower temps with the VRod?
Since my Vrod gets hot enough to vape flower effectively, I don't think it's my coil, or an air leak somewhere in the head/bowl.
When I bought the Vrod, I bought 2 quartz dishes in case I broke one. I swapped to the other dish, just in case it was my dish that's the issue. Exact same results.
I have two NV coils, both produce the same results.
Thinking I'm just imagining the issue, I swap back to my 20mm quartz Wrap Around and set it to 666, my preferred temp to dab off my WA.
Bam, immediate thick vapor and great flavor. I'm using the same concentrates, so that's not a variable.
Having the Vrod at 777 gets me clouds that aren't even as dense as the WA at 666, and the taste on the Vrod is starting to suffer at that point due to the temps.
@waxdab23 you suggested earlier that my retaining nut for the dish might be on upside down. I've put it on both ways and haven't seen a difference either way. Is there definitely a right and wrong orientation for the nut?
@Zangano Cruel my coil was/is definitely NOT installed upside down, so that's not the issue either.
Anyone have any insight on what my issue might be?
Thanks.
We're all using SiC which is 100x more conductive than quartz.
Honestly my quartz dish was having some trouble too but I broke it before I could finish my dab. I chalked it up to not having the coil nut on at all, but you may be right. Do you have any way of measuring the dish temperature?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
I have moved up to 700F with a sic dish and have very nice performance. Soon I will go to 725F to see if I like that more or not. I have never enjoyed vaping with the FP at lower temps, I have tried many times but I do not like them. So I am a high-temp FP person.
I would 'guiltlessly' walk the VROD temp up to the point it gives you the results you are seeking. Who cares what the temperature number is as long as you get what you are seeking?
Peace and good-luck.
True, the temp itself doesn't matter. It just feels like something is missing with my vrod. I just don't get the performance from it that I feel I should be getting from it. With a very high temp, I get close to the vapor density I achieve with my WA, but taste has definitely suffered at this point.
Twax hits are basically just a waste since the temp required for the dab would char the flower. Not charring the flower means wasted oil
I considered that difference, but I was using quartz on my 20mm WA as well. I was using the WA at over 100 degrees less than the vrod, both quartz.
I plan on picking up a SiC dish once NV stocks their $20 version. Hoping that's the difference.
Appreciate the help.
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Regarding the VROD and heat differences from the other FP heads.
I think a possibility could be that the VROD tolerances are so tight, with the coil basically entombed in titanium, is drawing more heat energy to distribute throughout the surrounding titanium.
I have also noticed that when comparing the color anodization of the shower head compared to the VROD, my VROD is a very uniformed golden color where my shower head has various colors and hues all over the head. The VROD seems to be very stable at holding a temp through the entire head. To me this strongly suggests the VROD heating of the surrounding titanium alters the way heat is distributed in the VROD compared to the other diffusion heads.
I am not saying this is a good or a bad thing just something I have been thinking about.
You might be on to something, I'm noticing the same thing regarding color. My SH and WA started to anodize from a specific point and sort of spread out.
So far my Vrod is uniform. It will be interesting to see if that uniformity stays as usage continues. When my Vrod is cool, I need to open it up and see if the inside is uniform as well.
Mine is also an even gold compared to the spectrum the SH had.
waxdab23
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Are you able to easily spin the dish around or is it firmly in place?
Roth
Pining for the Mountains
Firmly in place. I can't even undo the nut when it's cold, have to heat it up a bit.