newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Wow finally got a response. They said they are only in warranty requests from mid November. LOL. Guess I’ll see my hopper in November.
Discontinued The Grasshopper
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MoltenTiger
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The key difference, as I was reintroduced whilst getting frustrated last night, is that a passively heated device is no good in the cold or wind. It does the job, and I got some satisfying bong hits, but it's very limiting compared to a hopper. More open airflow, much better flavour, larger chamber but it hits harder and just with a click on.
The labs definitely have a warped sense of marketeering and conductivity, but they're making it work as best they can. I keep saying it, but before the GH existed there was nothing like it because all these problems were foreseen. Even now, I don't see a single company with as much an ambitious design. It just happens to be the design that I value over all. I'm still months away from being reunited with them, but I'll be waiting months longer for a viable alternative.
The air restriction certainly helps, but really if you're getting the bigger clouds from a Dynavap you're getting a broad spectrum hybrid offgas with light charring occuring from conduction on the outer layer of the herb. It doesn't have the power or dynamic to evenly distribute heat through the chamber. It does do a pretty good job, but it's a basic concept which is noticeable from the vapour quality. The best vapour quality from a vapcap is short-lived, even with the SS tip which retains heat best. An active heater makes a big difference, especially when it's hard to overpower.
Still compared to my starting point, the MFLB, the VapCap I'd actually bother using.
They might both make vapes, but HL is an electrical engineering start up and Dynavap is a mechanical engineering start up and their products have polar opposite complexities at play.
If a student base was to examine either project, there's much to learn either way. But not by comparison. They're too different. Customer service is extremely easy at the sales end, made more so by a lack of returned product. Theres no insight there. Without that initial 30% failure rate, I'd imagine prioritising would be quite straightforward and things are going to flow easily, allowing a solid plan to come to fruition. When you attempt something considered impossible, it's going to be a rougher journey.
I'm pretty sure that'd be their key motivating factor. They obviously have passion, but they're aware of what they've at least designed.
This back up has been since Oct/Nov, before that problems were ripe but the turnover was reasonable.
Cut to the chase and get a Sublimator
Yeah sounds about right
guyonthecouch
Well-Known Member
You do know there is a Dynavap thread right? You're comparing apples to oranges, Hopper is a battery powered electronic pure convection vape. The M is an externally powered, non regulated conduction vape, there's a huge difference in function and experience from them both if you're not aware. Effects are subjective from user to user so I'm not going to tell you what you like best but in my experience the vapcaps come no where even close to the vapor quality of a hopper. The hopper design is much more advanced in all aspect than any other vape on the market, to expect a zero percent failure rate at any point throughout it's existence is simply unrealistic. Hope you get to try one out soon and then you'll get some user experience under your belt, cheers!
I thought we're all comparing apples to oranges on FC. I'm fully aware of the difference between butane/electricity, convection/conduction, used both to vape over the last 10 years and of course I know there is a Dynavap thread but someone mentioned it in here and I like to compare vapes. There's a vape for every situation. I don't think there is a problem doing that in here. If I started this comparison over there, what kind of feedback would they give me about the Hopper? They would tell me to come here
. Thanks to posting in here, I now know the M will be shit in the snow so I can avoid that. I'm not saying the Vapcap is better than the Hopper, I'm clearly ruffling feathers so let's make that clear, I'm saying that it works best for me right now. Like I said I still want a Hopper, I'm just not sticking with my order while this backup happens because I have no idea what is going on with the company and don't want to lose money if they are going under.guyonthecouch
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@butts How can you compare the two if you haven't tried the Hopper yet? Not ruffling feathers but definitely not adding much to the conversation. People have been speculating and will continue to speculate that the company is going under since this thread started. It's the best portable on the market, it's not going anywhere. 
Talking to others who have helps when it's this hard to get your hands on one
I don't expect to get one for the time being
MoltenTiger
Well-Known Member
Without being incredibly patient, right now is a bad time to get a hopper.
Even before, the more patience the better the experience, but right now I would be hesitant purchasing.
You can't really go wrong if you already have a decent back-up though.
Even before, the more patience the better the experience, but right now I would be hesitant purchasing.
You can't really go wrong if you already have a decent back-up though.
Hogni
Honi soit qui mal y pense
LOL'd at "Tripping balls".
Well, I've not been here for a looong time, as my pre-order Hopper is still going strong (praise Odin).
Despite working flawlessly, I've always felt that the Hopper was missing one major feature, WOOD:
So I made myself these.
They're Teak, and a total b@~tard to machine.
I had to make a 'rolling carriage' for the bed of my lathe, as my drill-press only extends 50mm, no-where near enough to bore a hole the entire depth of the GH.
It worked, but I borked the fancy drill-bit I bought especially for the task (by forcing it into teak end-grain repeatedly, kept stalling my 370Watt lathe too!, which can't be good for it?)
Clearances are REALLY tight, as I wanted it to be as small as possible.
Failure happened more than success
Never mind, it was worth it.
I really liked my cheap plastic caddy from kfirrer, but I like to think this adds a little bit more class
I originally had plans to make some for sale, but the difficulty level, and tool attrition would almost certainly make them un-sellably expensive( as compared to the price of other dugouts/stashes I've seen/owned )
I am interested though what folk here would consider a fair price for something like this?
Is this even something which interests you?
Or are you all already rocking fancy cases?
Any news about this project?
Copacetic
Somewhere North of The Wall
I made another couple of caddies before my drill bit became completely ruined, so I have 5 now.
I experimented with some small cosmetic changes (not the bolt I'm afraid, although I may be able to set the head a little deeper on one so I could 'plug' the bolt hole with another material ) and I'll try to get a pic of them posted.
I'd love to make these for sale, but I can't work out how to make any kind of profit without the price being unreasonably high.
Having said that, I'm currently unemployed, and still need to pay bills, so I'd certainly consider selling one or two of my spares at a loss, just to recoup some of my costs.
If you're interested in buying one, PM me so we can discuss a price?
mods, does this mean I have to register as a 'manufacturer'?
Baron23
Well-Known Member
That is VERY disappointing...wow. mid-Nov...and no indication of the rate at which they are clearning their backlog. I guess I may see my end of Feb RMA sometime before the end of 2018! haha
I have been using my SB Jr in place of the GH for those late pain sessions and my morning CBD flower session. Fulfills pretty much the same niche....quick, reasonable load size, fast and strong extraction.
I would like my GH back...but I'm not pining for it.
Cheers
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
Yeah, I've been using my Mighty and my Cloud. I miss my hopper, but it's been so long without it, I don't even really remember it's power anymore.
Cheesequake
Free Men Don't Ask
Blue Ti is still going strong. I think this might be the longest I've owned a hopper and had absolutely zero problems with it. And I've owned at least 5 different hoppers since they started selling them.
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howzcat
Hard on Glass
Was coming here to say i've contacted support@gh 8 days ago, and still no reply, and to ask when should i start to worry if there's anybody home at all..
but i see it's standard operating procedure and i've been assured it's all above board and that the company is doing well so i'm not worried anymore.
you could say i have faith now aha
reminds me of a saying 'laugh, so you don't cry'.
blackwater
Member
Hi all, as I mentioned in a previous post, my Oct 17 hopper is mostly functional and even occasionally fully operational. I’m super picky, but have learned not to be with this amazing device.
That said, I recently ordered both a Fury 2 and and GH backup with the GH being only around $150 for the SST during the March sale. I received my Fury 2 and have started a brief love affair, but need to stay on topic.
I guess I’m on the fence as to if I let my March hopper order ride until X, or cancel and just stick with my current regime. With a mostly working hopper, Fury 2, and M it seems as if I may have all my basis covered? Of course it is ultimately up to me, but I have always valued this community’s opinion since a very long time ago. You could say I caught hopper madness from reading hundreds of pages which is why I paid a 100% markup on eBay back in early 2016.
Hopper works 2/3 of the time well, meaning no flashing blue lights, no back heat, and 2-3 loads per batt. However those times where all of the above is in the opposite direction just has me, well, nervous that I COULD be without a hopper.
So, I guess if you guys were perfectly happy with your lineup but we’re worried about being without a hopper, would you keep your hoppper order in queue or cancel and just be content?!
That said, I recently ordered both a Fury 2 and and GH backup with the GH being only around $150 for the SST during the March sale. I received my Fury 2 and have started a brief love affair, but need to stay on topic.
I guess I’m on the fence as to if I let my March hopper order ride until X, or cancel and just stick with my current regime. With a mostly working hopper, Fury 2, and M it seems as if I may have all my basis covered? Of course it is ultimately up to me, but I have always valued this community’s opinion since a very long time ago. You could say I caught hopper madness from reading hundreds of pages which is why I paid a 100% markup on eBay back in early 2016.
Hopper works 2/3 of the time well, meaning no flashing blue lights, no back heat, and 2-3 loads per batt. However those times where all of the above is in the opposite direction just has me, well, nervous that I COULD be without a hopper.
So, I guess if you guys were perfectly happy with your lineup but we’re worried about being without a hopper, would you keep your hoppper order in queue or cancel and just be content?!
Cheesequake
Free Men Don't Ask
I'm probably biased since I got my first fully functional hopper but I say wait. I think it's worth it.
When are these cases getting released?
vapviking
Old & In the Way
The SS case delivery was mentioned in their most recent HL update, where they said it (and the charger) would have to be revised to "second quarter, '18". Website still says Estimated Ship Time "March".When are these cases getting released?
We should start a pool.
Or at least a poll on who thinks which will come first, case or fancy high-speed charger...
My money is literally on the case; I order TWO during the 35% off promotion!
InhaleExhale
Well-Known Member
My buddy just received his new Electric Blue Grasshopper, ordered from the 10/2017 promotion. It arrived with a few other items he had ordered, including a PFE and some spare batteries. He's ecstatic and says after the first session that it performs as well as his model acquired in September.
I want to include in my report that my friend uses his Grasshopper as his main driver, but only partakes a few times a week. He uses it by himself or with a friend (2 at the most). He takes a significant effort to keep the herb chamber clean. As far as my experiences go with his "new design" Hopper, it seems to promise as delivered. He doesn't go past 4, as he prefers to do his vaping under 190C. I don't know how many others who post here have had a "new design" Hopper since Fall 2017, but that is my personal experience with it's reliability.
I'm still having a "wait and see" approach to buying one, as I am considering waiting up to a year to see if Hopper Labs remains in business and can truly mend their reputation. I don't need a Hopper but like many of you I've discovered there is nothing else like it!
I want to include in my report that my friend uses his Grasshopper as his main driver, but only partakes a few times a week. He uses it by himself or with a friend (2 at the most). He takes a significant effort to keep the herb chamber clean. As far as my experiences go with his "new design" Hopper, it seems to promise as delivered. He doesn't go past 4, as he prefers to do his vaping under 190C. I don't know how many others who post here have had a "new design" Hopper since Fall 2017, but that is my personal experience with it's reliability.
I'm still having a "wait and see" approach to buying one, as I am considering waiting up to a year to see if Hopper Labs remains in business and can truly mend their reputation. I don't need a Hopper but like many of you I've discovered there is nothing else like it!
newVaper420
Vapor Enthusiast
I just hope I get my hopper back before they fold. I can't imagine people are lining up to buy these things. I definitely can't recommend it to anyone.
GreenHopper
20 going on 60
*** This post is entirely conjecture, I have no more intel than the other long term followers of this thread***
If by the end of the year there is a reliable Hopper available I think they'll hit it big time.
I suspect they are probably only running at a low production rate while the initial batch gets field tested.
There are probably outlets out there with orders placed on the proviso that HL's can show the next few batches have a lower failure rate than prior to on sourcing. If HL get it right this time round they won't just have a good device out there, they will have a high performing stealth vape which fulfils a niche in the market. <insert praying/please don't fuck it up emoji>
They probably need new Hoppers in the wild to prove device reliability in order to achieve those orders and encourage more. That and fine tuning the in house processes explains the RMA delay.
I wouldn't count them out just yet, someone is funding them through this bump. No way did their previous sales cover the cost of BAU + in sourcing.
Assuming they are being funded they could afford to take the rest of the year to resolve manufacturing issues, resolve RMA process and begin marketing.
I'm not saying the device doesn't have room for improvement or that HL have acted impeccably throughout their growing pains. The RMA delay is a shitty move to customers like me and its a red stain on the company but I'd say the sales they have made so far is small fry compared to the sales they will make with a decent reliable device and a marketing campaign.
If this new batch prove reliable HL will be screaming down main street with their windows down and their system up.
If reports get out that failure rates are still out of acceptable limits and they haven't got a solution then they'll probably need to pawn their cars. I for one am hoping the engineers succeed and the Hopper blows up big time.....
I mean HL's blows up big time 
....ahem... I mean I hope its a success story. I want my life time warranty and my ultra portable pen vape that kicks me in the brain every time.*** This post is entirely conjecture, I have no more intel than the other long term followers of this thread***
Olivia just responded to me
Hi Joe,
My apologies I had not replied, I was out of the office. I can have your Grasshopper sent out today.
Kind regards,
Olivia
Hopefully its not an empty promise. Still saying processed but I'm not sure how much of an indicator that is. I must say that I'm getting excited though
Hi Joe,
My apologies I had not replied, I was out of the office. I can have your Grasshopper sent out today.
Kind regards,
Olivia
Hopefully its not an empty promise. Still saying processed but I'm not sure how much of an indicator that is. I must say that I'm getting excited though
TheWhisper
Well-Known Member
Olivia just responded to me
Hi Joe,
My apologies I had not replied, I was out of the office. I can have your Grasshopper sent out today.
Kind regards,
Olivia
Hopefully its not an empty promise. Still saying processed but I'm not sure how much of an indicator that is. I must say that I'm getting excited though
Joe, when did you send out the email to which she replied? I'm still waiting on a reply to an email I sent 11 days ago...
brewbeer
Well-Known Member
The device is amazing, but I agree with this sentiment. The headwinds for the company appear severe: with at least a six month backlog of repairs, limited income, and the inability of management to directly and clearly address communication issues, the prospects of long term viability aren't exactly glowing. If I ever need to RMA my hopper, I wouldn't do it until they work through these current challenges.
