Are any vapes "Mouth to Lung"

Hackerman

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I think I figured out why I don't like vaping (sorry, I'm trying to like it. LOL)

I am a smoker. Period. 2 packs a day. 50 years.

Fortunately, at this particular time in my life, I am not smoking cigarettes. I am, however, smoking 10 or more joints a day. I'm sure most of them are physiologic cigarette cessation. I mean really, like George Carlin said, after a while you don't get more high, you just get less pot. LOL

Anyway, I am truly trying to move over to vaping.

I am not 100% sure but I think the term is called Mouth to Lung. Is that when you puff it like a cigarette and it goes into your mouth first. The, you inhale it into your lungs in a second event.

Do any vapes do that? All the vapes I own, you suck right down to your lungs and it's not great on my throat and it's hot on my lungs and and and and (coming from a guy who smokes 2 packs a day. LOL)

Anyway, it would be great if I had something that I could puff like a cigarette.

I do use e-cigs sometimes and I do make my own juice for my carts. However, no offense to PGP and VG and Terps and blends and fairy dust and everything else that's popular...... when you inhale as much as I do, you want it as clean as possible. Rosin or flowers. That's what's usually on my menu.

So.......... I'm not talking juice. Just herb or concentrate (rosin).

Of all the vapes I have read about here (thanks so much everyone for the incredible threads) the only one I have seen that fits the bill is the DynaVap VapCap.

Wow..... a million flies can't be wrong. Seems like everyone owns one.

So, besides, the obvious VapCap, are there any other vapes that are "Mouth to Lung"?

Thank you
 
szai

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No mtl is a term that regrets to how you draw. When you block the carb hole on the dynavap you're doing an mtl. The m being where you drew the vapor first. From mouth to long.

This is opposed to dtl which is when you draw with a carb open directly to your lungs. Or dtl.
 
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Dynavaper

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The Vaponic comes to my mind, too. But a Vapcap with closed carb hole is probably coming very close to the expected experience. However anything conduction based should work better for you than convection, I guess.
 
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I agree about the vapcap- it's most like a cigarette. But based on your description, I use all vapes mouth to lung. Or try to- my default is vape to lungs but when I do that I develop a wheeze. So I consciously try to inhale mouth to lungs. So any of the vapes you already own should work.
 
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Then again not everything one reads on the interwebs does.
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Tell me about it. I'm training to become a Dr the field every other asshole thinks they're qualified to give advice in. That nurses who don't spend a decade training somehow know more because they actually give the shots Drs prescribe.
 
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I just picked up a Mistvape Essence, it is a handmade craft vape by @mistvaporizer .

It would say that out of all the butane vapes this one probably gives you the most mouth-to-lung feel you are looking for. You can pull the vapor into your mouth first. Also I am finding that the vapors are very cool so it doesn't bother my lungs. The new improved air inlet tube allows for cool air to enter while you are inhaling. The result is huge clouds. I am very impressed with the unit. Also the vape looks like a big cigar.

 
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vapeanderson

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I rarely rarely smoke a cigarette anymore but it seems like I would always inhale directly to my lungs, contrary to your method, Hackerman. Anybody else have input on this?

I do hit my VapCap mouth to lung because it can be hot sometimes (regardless of carb open or closed).
 
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Ramahs

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vapeanderson said:
I rarely rarely smoke a cigarette anymore but it seems like I would always inhale directly to my lungs, contrary to your method, Hackerman. Anybody else have input on this?

I do hit my VapCap mouth to lung because it can be hot sometimes (regardless of carb open or closed).
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Hmmm...Direct to lung inhales with cigarettes seems unusual. I smoked cigarettes for at least 12 years, and I almost never remember anyone doing that except for old rough guys who's lungs were already black.
 
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Hackerman said:
I think I figured out why I don't like vaping (sorry, I'm trying to like it. LOL)

I am a smoker. Period. 2 packs a day. 50 years.

Fortunately, at this particular time in my life, I am not smoking cigarettes. I am, however, smoking 10 or more joints a day. I'm sure most of them are physiologic cigarette cessation. I mean really, like George Carlin said, after a while you don't get more high, you just get less pot. LOL

Anyway, I am truly trying to move over to vaping.

I am not 100% sure but I think the term is called Mouth to Lung. Is that when you puff it like a cigarette and it goes into your mouth first. The, you inhale it into your lungs in a second event.

Do any vapes do that? All the vapes I own, you suck right down to your lungs and it's not great on my throat and it's hot on my lungs and and and and (coming from a guy who smokes 2 packs a day. LOL)

Anyway, it would be great if I had something that I could puff like a cigarette.

I do use e-cigs sometimes and I do make my own juice for my carts. However, no offense to PGP and VG and Terps and blends and fairy dust and everything else that's popular...... when you inhale as much as I do, you want it as clean as possible. Rosin or flowers. That's what's usually on my menu.

So.......... I'm not talking juice. Just herb or concentrate (rosin).

Of all the vapes I have read about here (thanks so much everyone for the incredible threads) the only one I have seen that fits the bill is the DynaVap VapCap.

Wow..... a million flies can't be wrong. Seems like everyone owns one.

So, besides, the obvious VapCap, are there any other vapes that are "Mouth to Lung"?

Thank you
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Any of the Dynavaps with carb closed, or a Dynavap with an carbless stem from folks like @phattpiggie or @stardustsailor would be perfect for you. Dynavap has made a name for themselves primarily for this reason-it's the closest to a joint experience and you'll love the cigarette feel and use of the lighter too.

It satisfies a lot of the other things that come with smoking. Without the smoke.

And what you describe in this forum is a mouth pull. A mouth to lung is one event like taking a bong hit. And those can make your throat uncomfortable. Make sure you have a glass of water, and you may also want to look at getting Water Pipes or J Hooks to cool vapor.

Cheers, and here's hoping you truly fuck combustion.
 
Hackerman

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OK, OK, OK.... LMAO I'll buy a VapCap. LOL

However, my original post did say, BESIDES the Vapcap. LOL

I got some great suggestions and I am looking into all of them.

So, the VapCaps are pretty darn expensive. For my first one, is it OK if I just get the 2017 "M"? $55 is pretty reasonable for a vape.

It looks like they all work the same way. The more expensive ones are just cosmetic differences (and size).

I didn't see these on eBay so I guess you have to buy direct from the DynaVap web site. Hopefully, they take PayPal.

Any discount codes?

And, as originally asked, I'm still looking for a "mouth pull" style vape other than the VapCap.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and help that you all have provided since I've been a member here. Awesome site with very helpful and very well informed members.

Thanks again.

EDIT: When I order my 2017 M, do I need to order extra screens or anything else?
 
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Hackerman said:
OK, OK, OK.... LMAO I'll buy a VapCap. LOL

However, my original post did say, BESIDES the Vapcap. LOL

I got some great suggestions and I am looking into all of them.

So, the VapCaps are pretty darn expensive. For my first one, is it OK if I just get the 2017 "M"? $55 is pretty reasonable for a vape.

It looks like they all work the same way. The more expensive ones are just cosmetic differences (and size).

I didn't see these on eBay so I guess you have to buy direct from the DynaVap web site. Hopefully, they take PayPal.

Any discount codes?

And, as originally asked, I'm still looking for a "mouth pull" style vape other than the VapCap.

Thanks again for all the suggestions and help that you all have provided since I've been a member here. Awesome site with very helpful and very well informed members.

Thanks again.

EDIT: When I order my 2017 M, do I need to order extra screens or anything else?
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Yes defo Vapcap with carb covered is what you need and they are very reasonably priced in the vaporizer world, get an M it will be great. No extra screens needed
 
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vapeanderson

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Hackerman, the M should work great. There seems to be a general consensus that performance across the entire DynaVap line is pretty close. The custom stems and fancy wood or titanium stems are pretty cool, but not necessary. The M is also pretty affordable as you mentioned. I would suggest creating an account at the DynaVap website. They send out some good deals on their email list. Their 4/20 sale will also probably start soon, so there is a great opportunity to save a few extra bucks on the M (maybe it would cancel out the cost of buying spare screens).

I ordered extra screens with mine around this time last year. Haven't used them, but I'm a light user. I think they are worth throwing in if you want to disassemble and deep clean the VapCap more frequently as they can get lost or bent up. The shipping is a bit much if you order small things like screens at a later date. For the same reason I got extra condenser o-rings and tip o-rings, but haven't needed those yet either. They are just sitting in a drawer just in case. I also picked up some degummed hemp fiber with the intention of using it as filtration in the VapCap but never got around to setting it up.

Bear in mind you will want a torch lighter to heat a VapCap quickly. DynaVap sells them but I'm sure you can pick one up at a corner store as well. For extra butane I grabbed the Colibri 3 pack on Amazon. Nearly a year later I haven't killed the first can. It's fairly pure which is a plus if you ever get into something like the Sticky Brick.
 
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Hackerman

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I bought an early Pax and didn't really like it. Probably still sitting in the drawer. It was after the Pax that I bought the Arizer Solo.

I'm not sure I can wait for a 420 sale at DynaVap. I'm not very good at waiting. I'll see if I can find a discount code. I just registered so maybe they will send a new-user coupon.

And, I am not a torch guy at all. I have a few that will work fine but I am definitely going to have to get some kind of electronic heater for this. I did read about some kind of induction heater that's available but I think it was a DIY thing or something and I didn't see one on the DynaVap site. That is a definite.

Do I need the "DynaStash"? What is that. I have about 10 one-hitters in the drawer if it's the same thing.

If I get extra screen should I get stainless or Ti?

Thanks again so much. everyone.
 
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The Dynavap store is credit card only. No paypal. And the Pax 2 and 3 are WAY above the OG Pax in all aspects.
 
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Pipes makes an induction heater but you will probably be waiting a while to get one. That may not be the only one around, though. I also heard a rumor that DynaVap may be releasing their own model but I don't know how much truth there is there.

DynaStash is basically a dugout, yes. One side stores a VapCap, the other side stores your weed. Includes a magnet on the side to remove the cap while hot so you can blow out the vaped weed and load fresh material.

I think stainless screens are fine, others may differ in opinion.
 
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analytika

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Typical MTL eCigs have a mild draw restriction and lower power requirements,> 1 ohm resistence.

The only experience I've had comparable to subohm DTL style truly open airflow is the milaana.

A device like the vapcap is drastically restricted, like sucking on a straw, far more restrictive than a smoker would be used to, when you carb. And not yieldng a concentrated enough vapor without carbing. just filling the mouth is hardly enough for s substantive inhale.

So restricted when carbed, that most people probably get their lungs involved in drawing out vapor, a very not-MTL like experience.
 
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Ramahs

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analytika said:
Typical MTL eCigs have a mild draw restriction and lower power requirements,> 1 ohm resistence.

The only experience I've had comparable to DTL style truly open airflow is the milaana.

A device like the vapcap is drastically restricted, like sucking on a straw, far more restrictive than a smoker would be used to, when you carb. And not yieldng a concentrated enough vapor without carbing. just filling the mouth is hardly enough for s substantive hit.

So restricted when carbed, that most people probably get their lungs involved in drawing out vapor, a very not-MTL like experience.
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Hmmm...of course, the Dynavap vaporizers have a significantly more restricted airpath. That's the thing that causes me to do mouth to lung (MTL) often with then when I want closed-carb thick hits. If I have it packed very tight, straight to lung (STL) is harder to do, as I can pull significantly harder with MTL than I ever could with STL. Basically, if my lungs are a bit tired to pull that hard, then I always relegate to MTL.

To me, it wasn't the strength, or absence of strength, of the pull that compared it to smoking a cigarette/joint. It was the familiar motor/muscular action that I was performing. It was still MTL, just like a cigarette, I just had to pull a bit harder, like a really tightly rolled joint.

Anyway...subjective experiences...just my anecdotal/subjective experience; A.K.A - my :2c:
 
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Hackerman said:
I think I figured out why I don't like vaping (sorry, I'm trying to like it. LOL)

I am a smoker. Period. 2 packs a day. 50 years.

Fortunately, at this particular time in my life, I am not smoking cigarettes. I am, however, smoking 10 or more joints a day. I'm sure most of them are physiologic cigarette cessation. I mean really, like George Carlin said, after a while you don't get more high, you just get less pot. LOL

Anyway, I am truly trying to move over to vaping.

I am not 100% sure but I think the term is called Mouth to Lung. Is that when you puff it like a cigarette and it goes into your mouth first. The, you inhale it into your lungs in a second event.

Do any vapes do that? All the vapes I own, you suck right down to your lungs and it's not great on my throat and it's hot on my lungs and and and and (coming from a guy who smokes 2 packs a day. LOL)

Anyway, it would be great if I had something that I could puff like a cigarette.

I do use e-cigs sometimes and I do make my own juice for my carts. However, no offense to PGP and VG and Terps and blends and fairy dust and everything else that's popular...... when you inhale as much as I do, you want it as clean as possible. Rosin or flowers. That's what's usually on my menu.

So.......... I'm not talking juice. Just herb or concentrate (rosin).

Of all the vapes I have read about here (thanks so much everyone for the incredible threads) the only one I have seen that fits the bill is the DynaVap VapCap.

Wow..... a million flies can't be wrong. Seems like everyone owns one.

So, besides, the obvious VapCap, are there any other vapes that are "Mouth to Lung"?

Thank you
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the huge difference between vaping and smoking is vaping takes it in slower like a milkshake and you hold it in a while tasting savory flavors ... smoking is really fast inhales/exhales...
but- a general transition to vaping from smoking involves vapor bubbler / bongs to pull the vapor through... you can crank the vape to the highest temperature and suck down those more sedating active compounds via high heat vaping on a bubbler... low heat vaping tends to be head high only etc...

you can use a whip or tube as well to allow more surface area for the vapor to cool while you inhale it
 
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i like the dynavap for the very reason of the mouth to lung pulls , like smoking a joint . i have the carbs taped over on both my dynavaps . i draw very slowly into my mouth before inhaling into the lungs . i find i can get a very concentrated hit this way .

i was a long time joint smoker like decades lol . i also like it because you can take it really close to combustion if you want to .

Hackerman try and blow out the vapor into some sort of light , like a lamp or the suns rays coming in through a window . smoking is very visual because you see the smoke when you blow it out . much more then you do with vapor . if you blow out the vapor under a light or the sun through a window or something it makes a psychological difference . lets you know you did get a good hit even though it might not have that same bite as smoking . but seeing this i find makes a huge difference . try it out
 
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Hackerman

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I'll try that. Mine is due tomorrow. I will definitely be taping over the carb.

Thanks
 
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analytika

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Hackerman said:
I'll try that. Mine is due tomorrow. I will definitely be taping over the carb.

Thanks
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I wouldn't put adhesive tape on the exterior of a vapcap. Although not every model has the carb in the most desirable location, it is intended for easy coverage by a finger holding the vaporizer ergonomically.

Don't forget you can tighten the airflow to closed carb by dialing down the Omni condenser.
 
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