Custom CARBLESS VapCap Ti stems

Summer

Long Island, NY
Why can't you use a condenser or go condenserless with or without a carb hole? I use my 17M which has a 2mm carb. w/o a condenser. Also the volume of airflow will not only be affected by the size of a carb hole, but also by the tip you're using, i.e. the 17M tip vs the 18M tip vs the ti 5 vs the LE 7-fin.
 
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stardustsailor

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Why can't you use a condenser or go condenserless with or without a carb hole? I use my 17M which has a 2mm carb. w/o a condenser. Also the volume of airflow will not only be affected by the size of a carb hole, but also by the tip you're using, i.e. the 17M tip vs the 18M tip vs the ti 5 vs the LE 7-fin.


For a condenser to operate properly ( whether it's a standard SS or an OMNI condenser )
a carb hole is obligatory. The carb hole is the cool air inlet at this case ,the stem/body is
the large diameter pipe
and the condenser is the small diameter pipe.

All together they create the Venturi effect
(which is based upon the Bernoulli's principle) ,needed to "suck" the vapor from the tip .
This happens right at the point where the incoming cool air -inside the stem/body -turns 180°
and enters the smaller diameter condenser tube.The speed of the air stream increases ,but
the static pressure inside the VapCap decreases below the atmospheric pressure.
As a direct result of this pressure differential ,atm.air "pushes" in from the gaps between cap and tip ,while the vapor is entrained ,from the tip ,inside the stem cavity and into the condenser ,where it gets mixed with the cool air stream .
That's the basic operation of a VapCap ,with partially or fully open the carb hole.
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If you close the carbhole ,there's no Venturi effect taking place.
At this case one has to use mouthpulls ,in order to "suck" the vapor from the tip
and the air inlet then is the tiny gap between the tip & the cap.
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VapCaps ,actually have two "modes" of operation:

a ) The well-known carbed mode ,where the Venturi effect dominates and the inhaled vapor is diluted with air.Resembles the experience of most electronic vapes.Mainly regarding the inhaling techniques involved ,vapor " smoothness " & draw resistance.

and

b ) The non-carbed (carbless) where the facial muscles and the powerful negative pressure they can create ,do all the job,whereas the inhaled vapor is as "raw & concentrated " as it gets to be.Pipe-like,joint-like ,blunt-like,whatever you choose to compare it with ,the toking experience is almost the same.
As close experience as possible ,but with the combustion totally fucked !

There's no use of a condenser on a carbless stem.
Absolutely no use.


Operating a carbed VC without a condenser and the carb hole fully open ,
one sucks ( mainly )...pure atmospheric air !
From the other hand installing a condenser in a carbless stem ,only thing that gets affected is the ...cleaning of the device. Instead of cleaning an 8 mm Dia Titanium tube ,
one gets to clean a 5mm Dia stainless steel tube.


Cheers.
 
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Summer

Long Island, NY
I'm letting you know up front, SDS, that when I was ready to post this, I saw that you posted the above. I'm gonna post what I wrote without reading your post at this time cause quiet frankly I'm in no frame of mind to have to concentrate so intensely on what you wrote that is miles above me mathematically. It just would take too much brain power to extract the most basic of understanding & I'm not willing to expend that amount right now. It would surely be a downer & I feel too good. :lol:

Operating a carbed VC without a condenser and the carb hole fully open ,one sucks ( mainly )... pure atmospheric air !

Yes, but if you are covering the carb hole while heating & drawing, & feathering when necessary to allow air in to advance airflow so as not to have to suck/mouth pull as hard, I don't see any issue with having a carb on a condenserless stem.

To test what I previously posted about my 1x experience with a condenserless 17M, I took some perfectly cured herb & tested it again. I gotta say, it was the best sesh I've had with the vc & the highest I've ever gotten with the vc on only 4 GREAT hitse. The draw is completely free-flowing. And, without the condenser I find it to be almost pure convection; my experience based on the Ghost MV-1 & the nano. Even the way the spent herb condenses (shrinks down) is indicative of convection.

For reference, I used the ti 5-fin because the LE 7 would have been too much air flow. And I still need to test it out with the gen 4 7-fin & the ss.

The important thing to be cognizant of is the for some reason heating time is greatly abbreviated even though I'm covering the carb with heating. Couldn't even fathom the mathematical reason for it -- probably the answer is in your mind-numbing post above. :doh: (Stupidly, I didn't elect to continue on with the next level -- calculus. :() I'm using the PS PIH so the 1st go round I combusted big time when I counted to my typical 4 one-thousand on the 1st heating cycle. So I refilled with fresh & counted only to 1 one-thousand & the vapor was perfect. I got 2 heating cycles & 2 solid hits for each cycle. Since this truly is convection, I think I used slightly more material, but, for me, well worth it.

SDS, I don't think being condenserless with the stem I got from you would be satisfactory as I went with a very large carb size, 2.8mm (or as you would say, 2,8 :p). I intuitively know, it would allow too much air flow even with feathering. I'm gonna try, but I already know the outcome.

Either later tonight or tom., I assure you I will read & work on trying to absorb your above post. Damn, man, there's so much googling (for me) attached to your posts. :o :doh: :rofl:
 

stardustsailor

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......frankly I'm in no frame of mind to have to concentrate so intensely on what you wrote that is miles above me mathematically. It just would take too much brain power to extract the most basic of understanding & I'm not willing to expend that amount right now. It would surely be a downer & I feel too good. :lol:.....



....answer is in your mind-numbing post above. :doh:......


.....Either later tonight or tom., I assure you I will read & work on trying to absorb your above post. Damn, man, there's so much googling (for me) attached to your posts. :o :doh: ........


1) This is me (really ! this is me ) :

Now...
Be honest ,please .

Do I really seem like a clever guy to you ?
:mental:

All it takes is ...curiosity about things .
And lucky us ,we are not cats !
;)


2 ) In Europe we use "," as decimal point ,where in the US you use "."
Sometimes I forget about it ...:shrug:


Cheers.
 

szai

Well-Known Member
1) This is me (really ! this is me ) :

Now...
Be honest ,please .

Do I really seem like a clever guy to you ?
:mental:

All it takes is ...curiosity about things .
And lucky us ,we are not cats !
;)


2 ) In Europe we use "," as decimal point ,where in the US you use "."
Sometimes I forget about it ...:shrug:


Cheers.

I think if you chose a photo in which your were not covered in what looks like lava sand you'd seemingly be more clever.
 

szai

Well-Known Member
Is not my Originally Made in Greece body hair ,that you refer as "lava-like sand" ,right ?
:lol:

I've had a beard since 15 and was one actually offered mixed drinks when I asked for a drink at the Atlanta Ritz.

Well you didn't chose the most flattering photo of yourself that you could. I suspect it's among your least flattering ones
 

Summer

Long Island, NY
All it takes is ...curiosity about things .

This would take the most intensive of all curiosity, as some of the mathematical formulas you post really do take someone with knowledge of advanced mathematics, more so than the average person has. So, when you say curiosity, what I hear is I'd have to take a refresher course in algebra & geometry & then continue on with calculus & what ever comes after that. Time is short & I'm not willing to make that investment.

And, I don't know if I think that's you as I peg/pegged you for being older that the guy in the pic. Besides the guy in the pic is smiling & you're always super-serious in your posts.

@szai, leave it to you to have honesty that is unfiltered. :rofl:
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Accessory Maker
I've had a beard since 15 and was one actually offered mixed drinks when I asked for a drink at the Atlanta Ritz.

Well you didn't chose the most flattering photo of yourself that you could. I suspect it's among your least flattering ones
Yeah...

Here's one from past years ,but quite flattering photo .
Me in tights ,trying to ...escape from Earth !!!



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Cheers.
 

stardustsailor

Well-Known Member
Accessory Maker
This would take the most intensive of all curiosity, as some of the mathematical formulas you post really do take someone with knowledge of advanced mathematics, more so than the average person has. So, when you say curiosity, what I hear is I'd have to take a refresher course in algebra & geometry & then continue on with calculus & what ever comes after that. Time is short & I'm not willing to make that investment.

And, I don't know if I think that's you as I peg/pegged you for being older that the guy in the pic. Besides the guy in the pic is smiling & you're always super-serious in your posts.

@szai, leave it to you to have honesty that is unfiltered. :rofl:

I'm 42 years old,but everybody says that I look quite younger.
Then always ask "what's my secret eternal youth formula".
 

stardustsailor

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Accessory Maker
Ok,now you know how the member "stardustsailor" looks like ,more or less...
Sometimes looks clever ,sometimes looks stupid ...

I do miss my long-ish hair ...
 
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stardustsailor

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:rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon::rockon:
OH ! I'm so excited !

New tools for the lathe ,just arrived !


On top is a HSS (High Speed Steel ) bladed parting tool.
It cuts the Titanium tube into stems!
And of course it can be used to make ..fins ! ,on some "special" stems ...

Underneath the parting tool,is a turning tool with a round carbide insert.
I can make the curves of a mouthpiece with that one !

But the most exciting is this one :



And this is the result of it's first trial ( done in a real hurry ).


No need for polishing here ...
But some anodised hues ,will add to the whole knurled thing,don't you think so ?
(BTW ,the grip while spinning is unearthy ! )

I need couple of days .Got to learn how to use those new tools.
Cheers.
 
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Phenix

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looks really nice what you got there!
that ultra-grip design also looks intersting.

What do you mean with "Special"? each of your stems is special... :)

with fins you meant like those in the tip?
 
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