Supreme V3 Electric Conversion Kit

lazylathe said:

Take a chill pull bro and chill the fuck out!

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lazylathe said:

Just because you had a bad experience with the vape and the manufacturer doesn't seem to mean that everyone will have the same experience bro.

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Dude, do you not remember your emails? Your posts in the SV4 thread? It's not like you have had the best experience in the world, but i'm not even sure why you are bringing this up here, now? YOU asked why I thought that JCat's mod was superior, and I simply expressed that CS and ethics were one of the reasons.

lazylathe said:

Sorry it pissed you off but you know I require proof when anyone says "It's better than the SV4" when zero testing has been done! It may have been better to say that you prefer this design and to work with @JCat than the other guy...

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Easy now! What pissed me off?? Man, you don't even sound like yourself Lazy over the past couple of days!!! Please take a second and take your own advice!

@biohacker

Bro, i remember everything that has happened with the SV4.
Your experience and mine, mine was slightly better than yours and i hope he sorts you out!
I have no money in this game but you know me! I NEED to know answers and when you said it is better, you know what i do... Go into overdrive trying to figure it out.

And you finally singled me out to say why you think it is better, this is what i needed to read.
I don't like uncertainties especially when they have not been tested against one another, I think you can agree with me on this front.
We also have to remember that for now, if we need any spare parts for the SV3/SV4 we still need to go through "that guy"...unfortunately.

I just want to put my spin on your answers quick, no disrespect or anything bro!

2-1 vape - I would imagine in a pinch you could remove the coil and heat for +-90 seconds and still get a good hit with the SV4, not as accurate but it would work. SV4 + torch is a possibility similar to the Sublimator UFO i would imagine an easy on the go camping option.

TC location - On the mod it measures exactly like the SV3 it just shows that temp on the PID, no real change except for constant heat. No flowers or anything it just has consistent heat applied to the modded SV3. My mod took about 5 seconds... I just wanted to try something to see it it will work and it does. I will look for better options and mounting and when done, i remove the coil for a portable SV4.

Handle - My coil handle is good, same as my SH setup and i have no problems at all with it. It works well and if i want i can add a New Vape handle to the coil to make it easier. The way the SV4 is designed, it actually works quite well. remember how we all hated the SV3 handle when it came out?? LOL!

CS - You win here but you cannot make it seem like this is the norm. I had some issues and they were all sorted out to my satisfaction, after the headache it was not too much fun but i have a working product that does not want to self incinerate itself when turned on. I am glad that since owning an SV3, i have not needed any parts or service for it and the SV4 will be the same.
I still have the extra bowl you gave me if you need it when your modded Sv3 arrives and possibly the screen? Will check for you!

The last few days
have been different trying to defend the SV4, not to protect the inventor but to show interested parties what it can do. When i get challenged i am like a dog with a bone...
Sadly, i am also a semantics fan, so how something is worded makes a huge difference to me!

@lazylathe

All good man, not trying to single you out, challenge you, or question your thought processes whatsoever! I just thought it was funny how you went into overdrive a week ago trying to figure out the TC and after telling @JCat to stay away and enjoy his vaycay you came right back questioning! Was just joking and teasing with ya bro! Putting too much emphasis on semantics on a forum is dangerous! lol

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@lazylathe

All good man, not trying to single you out, challenge you, or question your thought processes whatsoever! I just thought it was funny how you went into overdrive a week ago trying to figure out the TC and after telling @JCat to stay away and enjoy his vaycay you came right back questioning! Was just joking and teasing with ya bro! Putting too much emphasis on semantics on a forum is dangerous! lol

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I hate doing stuff like this because i feel as if a lot of people don't understand me or my thought process.
It was this that started it all:
"It actually performs even BETTER due to that TC/coil hack @JCat did! "


In my mind, they still work exactly the same, just the temp is being measured in a different spot and it is reporting only that temp along with the all important constant heat required to keep the TC at your set temp.
I love the modding that goes with vaping as it opens up new worlds!
What @JCat is doing is awesome and will provide a lot of people with more options for an outdated but still superior vape!
I stopped using my SV3 due to it being unregulated, you know me and digital...LMAO!!!
The SV4 opened up a new doorway for me with the constant heating, at full inhale as fast as i can, the temp actually climbs for a 1/2 degree and then drops 3 degrees before bouncing back!
The constant heat is the key as well as a large heat exchanger to store the heat, quite similar in idea to the FP with it's mass of Ti.

I love that this mod will breathe new life into many SV3's!

lazylathe said:

In my mind, they still work exactly the same, just the temp is being measured in a different spot and it is reporting only that temp along with the all important constant heat required to keep the TC at your set temp.

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In my mind, what you just said right there makes it work completely differently. That's a pretty integral part of the vaporizer, and again like I said before it's big enough to me that it made the difference in actually purchasing it. Just watching the videos of the evolution of it was obvious enough to me that the modded coil makes a big difference!

biohacker said:

In my mind, what you just said right there makes it work completely differently. That's a pretty integral part of the vaporizer, and again like I said before it's big enough to me that it made the difference in actually purchasing it. Just watching the videos of the evolution of it was obvious enough to me that the modded coil makes a big difference!

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We will have to agree to disagree on this one! LOL!
What counts at the end of the day is how it performs for you when you have it all set up and ready to go!
I really hope it opens up a lot of new experiences for you!

Fight, Fight, Fight. Fight.... Sorry guys just had to. Pleased to see you great friends reaching amicable disagreement. Look at what Ed is doing to FC with his totally uncaring attitude. Hes opened a whole can of worms when we should all be sitting back now and watching everyone's delight with a properly considered and executed SV4, and it should be his priority to make sure he does what he can to make each and every customer happy.

But he doesn't, because quite frankly, as I see it, and as I felt strongly from my own contact with him- he just doesn't care!
So come on everyone, as a community of so many amazing individuals, no way is any self concerned outsider gonna put any downer or drop in mood around here no more, no way!

And Im real sorry @lazylathe if I have annoyed you with silly, out of place posts recently- my intuition tells me that I have (not the only one Im sure). I lose sight of perspective quie often when tiredness takes over, and I post to distract and escape inner mental turmoil.

But I recognize this now and see the importance and benefit to me and all others, to consciously conduct myself more appropriately here now.
@biohacker , I so cant wait until you have your own version in hand. You billed this show way before it even existed, it just wont seem right until you have yours too. (You could always head over to Lazy's for a tester haha!)

Night folks, sleep tight, don't let the "Ed"-bugs bite.

One more extra benefit of the mod we are forgetting to talk about and it's pretty big!!
I had to go back a bit and check a post of @JCat to confirm it to myself.
The SV3 Mod also has an extra +-50g of aluminum added to the original heat exchanger!
No wonder this bad boy does not drop a lot during a hit!

I can drop my SV4 around 4 degrees celsius during a hit, regular size hit only 0.5C, not a lot but who knows!
Now how do i add some mass to my SV4...

lazylathe said:

One more extra benefit of the mod we are forgetting to talk about and it's pretty big!!
I had to go back a bit and check a post of @JCat to confirm it to myself.
The SV3 Mod also has an extra +-50g of aluminum added to the original heat exchanger!
No wonder this bad boy does not drop a lot during a hit!

I can drop my SV4 around 4 degrees celsius during a hit, regular size hit only 0.5C, not a lot but who knows!
Now how do i add some mass to my SV4...

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The SV3 w/ modded coil drops about 10deg at the bowl, but nowhere near that at the coil ... this is just it adjusting for the insert of the stem. If you adjust the PID settings to recover more aggressively, then it will overshoot in the opposite direction, especially since when you start to take your hit, it sucks the heat from the exchanger in to the bowl area. So my experience, is, insert bowl at 185C (at stem) ... it drops to ~175C at the stem (negligible drop at the heat exchanger/coil) ... then starts to recover ... the sooner you start your draw the sooner it starts the recovery as when you start your draw it sucks the heat from the exchanger in to the bowl speeding up the equilibrium. With my High5 LCD #1 (ie. the Omron controller), tuned using the autotune w/ the SV3 modded coil installed, this is how it behaves. It's much better than the cheaper High5 in that it doesn't initially overshoot, and doesn't overshoot by more than a few degrees when taking a heavy draw.

FYI-for everyone that bought a modded coil, @PlanetVape gave me a deal on the coils, so I can reduce the cost from $100USD to $85USD. I will work out the balance with everyone at shipping time. If I still owe anyone the $15 credit I will refund it at that time.

@JCat

I forgot that you most likely don't know how I use my 3 and now 4.
Initially with the 3 I used the bowl system but as time went on it got frustrating for me. I looked no alternatives and found the Vapocane bowl that allows me to do full convection hits, as the load is outside the vape.
With the SV4, I have to watch a clock to time when to hit and this annoys me... Sometimes I get sidetracked and forget about the load a day it cooks away by itself...
Now I just load a bowl, drop the vape on top and hit it. I find it sweet that this way it drops 1/2 a degree C at the stem.

If you have a look at the SV4 thread you can see how I load, do that want to clutter this up with videos that don't belong here.

Just another option to test and the flavor is much better!

My brain is on overload!!!

Since some are talking about a Ti model, has anyone thought of using metal foam/metal sponge surrounded by a Ti frame?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_foam

Super high surface area for heating and a convoluted air path for max heating.

Quick update everyone ... here's a pic of half a dozen sets of plates (need to be sanded to give nice finish and round corners is all); there's also 2 modded coils there

Going to try to do another half a dozen tomorrow and finish off the coils.

JCat said:

Quick update everyone ... here's a pic of half a dozen sets of plates (need to be sanded to give nice finish and round corners is all); there's also 2 modded coils there

Going to try to do another half a dozen tomorrow and finish off the coils.

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Wow faster then I expected! Woohoo when do you think we can expect them?

szai said:

Wow faster then I expected! Woohoo when do you think we can expect them?

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Going to ship them all out this week I believe. With any luck on Wednesday.

Edit: Was going to go to bed after the last message, but instead I started drilling and ended up drilling and tapping all 6 sets of blanks that were left to be done. Just need to route them out tomorrow and all that will be left is a few coils

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Going to ship them all out this week I believe. With any luck on Wednesday.

Edit: Was going to go to bed after the last message, but instead I started drilling and ended up drilling and tapping all 6 sets of blanks that were left to be done. Just need to route them out tomorrow and all that will be left is a few coils

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So good on you bro, in particular how you are really putting your heart and spirit into this. I can see the love and passion you have for doing this work and Im sure that knowing how happy each owner will be is a driving force.
I get the feeling you are waking up early or in the night, almost wishing it was daytime so you can crack on with nuts, bolts and screws.
And I also had the feeling, more of an intuitive one, that while you were on holiday a large part of you couldn't wait to get back to the shop and start sending 3.5's out asap!

I bet that was a strange but pleasant feeling, if that was actually the case of course.
Just giving my support for what you are doing anyway, seeing as I cant be involved myself but would like to be (I hate being excluded from the Supreme world and the tight little community in these threads.)

Can I be a cheerleader?

Here's the last 6 sets. (So I have 12 total complete plus mine + the prototypes ... just final finishing/sanding left)

Apart from that, 3 coils to assemble, and everything is ready to ship out.

From this batch, I have 3 sets left. I will be selling them moving forwards for $55 USD (I think this is fair considering the labour involved). Coils will be $85 USD (although I don't have any parts for coils left in stock ... @biohacker took the last one )

Everything is ready to go! (apart from I'll do a final wash in ISO followed by a hot water rinse and dry to make sure all the aluminum and stainless bolts are clean). I think with all my jigs and setup for the drill press and router table I spent more time sanding these than I did making them! ... I think I might need to mount the drum sander dust collection attachment and table to the drill press next time to do it ... (I think I spent a good 3-4 hours sanding today!)

The coils I've only powered on long enough to determine:
a) that they are heating
b) that the thermocouple is working (and is going in the right direction ... all of the thermocouples but one had only a single marked wire that was TC+ ... the one had 2 marked wires, and in this case it was the black marked one as opposed to red marked one that was TC+ ... good thing I noticed the temperature was going in the wrong direction when I tested!!!!).

Here's a picture of the 12 sets of plates and 5 coils. 3 sets of plates left unsold



I was also thinking to myself that not everyone will have a #1 Robertson bit ... Robertson bits are more common than Phillips in Canada, but I've heard that you can barely find them south of the border I think I'll make a run to Canadian Tire tomorrow morning or Home Hardware and pick up a bulk pack of cheap bits and I'll throw one in with each set of plates.

Thx for the bits!

I believe we just refer to them as square drive not Robertson @JCat and should be widely available in the US.

duff said:

I believe we just refer to them as square drive not Robertson @JCat and should be widely available in the US.

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Seemed strange to me as well ... that a common (and the best!) screwdriver bit wouldn't be available in the US ... but I'll take your word for it @duff ... however ... pretty sure I can pick up a 25-50 pack of bits for likely less than <$10 so might do this anyways

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Seemed strange to me as well ... that a common (and the best!) screwdriver bit wouldn't be available in the US ... but I'll take your word for it @duff ... however ... pretty sure I can pick up a 25-50 pack of bits for likely less than <$10 so might do this anyways

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That is a good idea I think and another real nice touch. Plus the added bonus- your soon to be
Youtube reviewers will be able to say "Jcat doesn't nickel and dime you, he gives you everything you need right out of the box!"

I joke, but in your case it is very appropriate and sure counts as "going the extra mile". (Literally, keep a mile tally and charge extra for petrol. )

Other times that phrase makes me laugh. Like saying we got fish and chips, they gave us everything we need as well, including a plastic fork!

According to this article, the "square drive" (or Robertson as everyone in Canada calls it ), only really started appearing in the US in the mid-80's, and still only accounts for <5% of screwdriver sales in the US vs 55% in Canada!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/youve-got-to-use-a-robertson/article1024050/

Once you've used a Robertson bit, you can never go back to using a Phillips, or the horrendous slotted screw! (they do have their place still of course ... like drywall screws are better as Phillips so they "slip" at the right time ... and there are cases, especially with really small screws, where the slotted one is better (these cases are rare though!!!))

For everyone that has received a tracking #, they were all dropped off at the post office @ 2:10pm today. (so not sure if it made the cut-off @biohacker ... ... for the rest of you I don't think it would make a difference but for biohacker it might mean the difference between having it for the weekend or not)

I tried! Just didn't have enough time to get them all ready (it's a lot of work packing and mailing that much at once! ... I think I seriously underestimated the time required for sanding/final finish as well as packaging/shipping when I set my prices ... oh well ... ... all good .. I really hope everyone enjoys there new modded SV3's!)

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For everyone that has received a tracking #, they were all dropped off at the post office @ 2:10pm today. (so not sure if it made the cut-off @biohacker ... ... for the rest of you I don't think it would make a difference but for biohacker it might mean the difference between having it for the weekend or not)

I tried! Just didn't have enough time to get them all ready (it's a lot of work packing and mailing that much at once! ... I think I seriously underestimated the time required for sanding/final finish as well as packaging/shipping when I set my prices ... oh well ... ... all good .. I really hope everyone enjoys there new modded SV3's!)

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I've been thinking about buying a spare actually.

JCat said:

I think I seriously underestimated the time required for sanding/final finish as well as packaging/shipping when I set my prices ... oh well ... ... all good .. I really hope everyone enjoys there new modded SV3's!)

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They will pay you back with love Jcat! And you know that is why you are doing this deepdown- to make people happy, you just had to charge so as not to look like a right mug, "The amazing Jcat- saving the universe out of pure good will, one 3.5 at a time."

Oh man, you're telling me I gotta wait LONGER for Biohacker to join in ths fun?!
Next week sounds good though. Something to look forward to (No pressure Bio for spills, in your own time.)