How to lower your THC tolerance (and some questions)

Hi guys, I've found a very nice way to lower your tolerance without a t-break!! If this is valid, it's great.



"Reducing tolerance whilst increasing the depth of your highs is easier than you might think.

It sounds counter-intuitive, but for tokers with a high cannabis tolerance, it's a bad idea to have too big a bowl on the first hit of the day, or two or three bowls in quick succession, to try and get a strong high that overrides your tolerance. It may well give you a good high (which will tend towards being a bit too 'bright') but this big first hit is creating instant tolerance to the following hits you're going to take after it. Later bowls can't have the same impact as the first ones did, because the first bowls filled up the THC receptors in your brain. If you do take more, even a lot more, you'll either end up falling asleep, or the highs will clash and cancel each other out. No matter how high your tolerance is and how much weed you think you need to get a good high, try just one single bowl on your first hit of the day, just as an experiment. You'll be surprised how high it can get you and how long it will last if you let it run its full course.

To try and explain this effect, imagine that your THC receptors are a series of ten cups. Now, you might think that if you can fill up all ten when you smoke that you're going to be incredibly and wonderfully high, but thats not actually the case. The best and deepest highs actually happen when number eight is reached, and after filling up cups nine and ten, the high becomes more of a rush that can have some unpleasant side effects, take you out of a high state as you might normally recognise it, or simply not feel that good.What you'll recognise as a good high will actually take place once the contents of nine and ten have been depleted and the high reduced.

So, if you're a daily user like myself, one way (there are a few) to reduce tolerance is to continually have say, a third of your normal bowl size, which will take you up to receptor number eight, but not over it. You might think if you are a regular user that such small amounts would not give a decent high and would be a waste of time, but I've actually had much longer and better highs by reducing the amount I smoke. For the first couple of days of using this method you'll find that the high takes slightly longer to come on (for me about ten or even twenty minutes) as it would if I were eating it, but the high is certainly much better for it. I also found that I needed to top up less often, so not only did I start getting better highs, but my consumption went down by about half - for the same effect as having much, much more.

Give it a try, it's helped me continue to be a daily user for over 25 years with hardly a day off except through illness or dire circumstances.


Simon Jackson

(Extrapolated article from 'Cannabis & Meditation - An Explorer's Guide' (Second Edition)"

Sorry but I haven't understood very well some things, for example: it's better to use a smaller amount and finish it in one single concentrated hit, or use a smaller amount and vaporize/smoke it in more little hits?
Anyone has tried this method? Any personal experiences or thoughts?

The best wishes, gabry

Interesting. I've definitely noticed that the first bowl of the day always has the strongest effect, and it makes sense since sleeping is the longest period of time i go without vaping lol. I think what he's trying to say overall is that it's best to vape X amount of weed little by little throughout the day in smaller bowls than vape X amount in one or 2 sittings. Something I've started doing recently also. The hits i get from my DBV are so nice, but i'f i'm getting down towards the bottom of the bag and payday is still a day or two off, I switch to using my LB pretty much exclusively.

I'm definitely interested in hearing more ways to reduce the tolerances and maximize the effects. I went a couple days w/o vaping last week and, needless to say, the first bowl after that was really enjoyable. I know ppl say to keep hydrated to get the most out of your vaping, and i think i remember even seeing supplements that are supposed to help somehow too.

I've recently figured this out as well.
Once I noticed that my tolerance had increased from daily vaping, I started to cut my bowls by about half (in my magic flight). I would then stretch out those small 1-2 bowls throughout the evening to maintain a nice buzz, making a single bowl last a couple hours. Sometimes I'll just revape an old bowl (save duff!) to get minimal effects, but at the same time saving fresh green and lowering my tolerance.
Sometimes you just have to go against how much you THINK you want in a bowl and decrease the amount by 1/2 or 1/3 like the original article said. You WILL be satisfied if you make the bowl last 1-2 hours, but if you take many hits in rapid succession, you'll just end up very stoned too quickly.
All of us are either former or current smokers, so we're used to loading bigger bowls than we think we need. Once you start using small amounts in a vape, you'll be pretty surprised at the efficiency compared to smoking.

When I vape alone I usually take much longer vaping an elbow; alone I find I generally space out my hits much more than with others. In other words, take a hit and go and do something for 10-15 minutes then come back for the second. When I'm vaping with others its not a race but I'll end up taking 2-3 hits in the span of 5 minutes.

I get a more lost type feeling when letting the hit take its toll on my own (end up walking around in circles around my apt. wondering what I was doing) as opposed to the faster 'stoney' feeling when taking successive bong hits with friends.


Not sure if that parallels what this guys saying but I made a connection.

hereatlast said:

I get a more lost type feeling when letting the hit take its toll on my own (end up walking around in circles around my apt. wondering what I was doing) as opposed to the faster 'stoney' feeling when taking successive bong hits with friends..

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lmao, i know i'm not alone on that one then lol. since i've got my LB i've been doing this a lot, esp at work. Like i'll take a hit or two and then totally forget about vaping or that i was vaping for a good 15 minutes or longer and get caught up in something else, then just repeat until its time to go home. Not only is it a good way to be conservative on usage, it's also a good way to make a workday speed by lol.

i've also started spacing hits out like that even when i'm at home.. while playing video games (after so many checkpoints on ME2 for instance), guitar (every couple songs), or watching shows (commercial breaks). I do find that it keeps you at a more ideal level for longer than if you were to just rip through 6-8 hits in a sitting and let it wear off over the same amount of time.

For the first couple of days of using this method you'll find that the high takes slightly longer to come on (for me about ten or even twenty minutes) as it would if I were eating it, but the high is certainly much better for it.

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I've often found that waiting for the first few hits to kick in as well decreases my use. When I'm hitting the PD, typically 2-3 tubes is my max, whereas even the LB uses about that in one trench. However, PD usage takes quite a bit longer ( 2-3 hits out of a tube, reloads, etc) so quite often I don't need that third tube.

I think this would be a good way of slightly lowering the tolerance, but a good t-break does some good, too.


Perhaps this has been covered, but since we're in a new thread anyway, what's the general consensus on how long a complete t-break should last? I've heard it takes about 2 weeks (depending on ones metabolism) to clean it out of the urine, would that time frame apply for tolerance as well?
-w-

Usually I take about 3 or 4 big hits in about 5-10 mins from my vape, and often I save the vaped weed inside for the next time, and sometimes I only add a small amount of fresh weed. The high is very nice and it lasts about 3 hours, and it doesn't terminate suddenly so I can't feel exactly when I return to normal.
I vape about 3-4 days in a week, sometimes 5 and other times everyday for about 10 straight days.
I use very small amount of weed, and I started vaping about 8 months ago, but I think I have the same low tolerance as the beginning, so I wonder if I continue this way, maybe I'll never raise my tolerance? And maybe t-breaks are useless if you don't vape everyday?

gabry

due to my living situation (dorm) i have to leave my tolerance low, and its great. I have friends taht have to smoke blunts to themselves to get high. That shit must suck. Then tehy complain that theyre only high for like an hour.

consuming 2-3 times a week is key i think. But i know that will change when i go home

caseball2051 said:

consuming 2-3 times a week is key i think. But i know that will change when i go home

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Maybe it is the key, but it's difficult to maintain I would to know if this is really the key...

I just dont have the time to use more often. I probably would if i had the time. But short T breaks like that really help keep tolerance low, for me at least. everyone is different.

DrMephisto said:

Perhaps this has been covered, but since we're in a new thread anyway, what's the general consensus on how long a complete t-break should last? I've heard it takes about 2 weeks (depending on ones metabolism) to clean it out of the urine, would that time frame apply for tolerance as well?
-w-

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As you have said, everyone is different (metabolism, habits, etc...) and it's hard to make a single rule for all users. T-break is the most used and efficient way to reduce your tolerance, and the longer is the break, the better will be your high, although many peolpe says that even one day without the herb make the difference. I never built a visible tolerance, so I don't speak for personal experiences.

Before reading that thread I never, ever had this kind of worries. And hope I won't ever.
Never felt like a t break was needed and is usefull as I find that even after one month off, the first bowl blasts me, then I'm back to normal. So really there is no point imho.

Something people might want to consider is the individual genetic variation in binding kinetics of THC to the cb1 and CB2 receptors. I won't bother going into specifics (google it if you're really interested or take a nice long and dry biochemistry course), but basically there is individual variation in how long the THC sticks to the receptors in any given person. Meaning that if the receptors are saturated and if receptor saturation is the upper limit to an individual getting high that some people may return to baseline more quickly. In essence, some will need longer and others will need shorter breaks.

And then when you start to talk about down regulation of any potential cb1/cb2 cascade, you'll have some people who actually get higher, the more that they consume. And some people who need less and less to get 'lifted'.

Tom

(don't need a break, not planning on taking one and not going to take one )

You can do what the thread starter posted but the best option would be to do a good exhausting workout that involves running everyday preferably in the morning or earlier in the day.

This will keep your metabolism high and you will burn off excess cannabinoids which will do two things that a t-break won't.

It will get you high all the time throughout the day because you are making melatonin and other chemicals that cannabis releases which relates to the high and health effects because your metabolism is high.

Second, it will keep you able to deal with these highs without getting anxious or any negative effects such as being lethargic.

Remember eating nuts and seeds or avocado, right after the exercises, are the main foods that will aid in the affects of running and puffing because they help your body stay efficient in breaking down fats and also give it energy to keep going which means your metabolism is still going good even when you aren't exercising later in the day which means a good high when you puff.

I like your way Luchiano, will try to do that one day... although it's so hard to wake up to go running

This makes a lot of sense. Our body chemistry's are slightly different so the way THC and CBD/CBN's etc. effect us can be distinct as well?

I've noticed over the last year or two, after something like six or seven years of daily consumption, that I don't need to take so many hits. I think a few years ago the act of smoking itself was just as fun as the high, I'd never put out a blunt prematurely even though I could sometimes feel the effect immediately; by the time it was a roach/clip I had had a full-on assault type high, completely unnecessary and wasteful, not mention harsh but the combustion and tobacco certainly played a role.

About a year ago I stopped smoking blunts because I didn't have the money to keep up with my tolerance and went back to glass...that transitioned into vaporizing and I absolutely love being able to get hi from one hit, really letting it soak in. As an added plus my weed jar is more diverse than ever


BTW, Tom, are you the same tdavie that comments on marijuanareviews.com sometimes?

tdavie said:

Something people might want to consider is the individual genetic variation in binding kinetics of THC to the cb1 and CB2 receptors. I won't bother going into specifics (google it if you're really interested or take a nice long and dry biochemistry course), but basically there is individual variation in how long the THC sticks to the receptors in any given person. Meaning that if the receptors are saturated and if receptor saturation is the upper limit to an individual getting high that some people may return to baseline more quickly. In essence, some will need longer and others will need shorter breaks.

And then when you start to talk about down regulation of any potential cb1/cb2 cascade, you'll have some people who actually get higher, the more that they consume. And some people who need less and less to get 'lifted'.

Tom

(don't need a break, not planning on taking one and not going to take one )

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hereatlast said:

This makes a lot of sense. Our body chemistry's are slightly different so the way THC and CBD/CBN's etc. effect us can be distinct as well?

BTW, Tom, are you the same tdavie that comments on marijuanareviews.com sometimes?

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Yup, that's me on marijuanareviews.com And definitely the effect can be very individual. Some people will get higher on a certain amount, some people might not feel anything, and still others will come down really quick. G/f (who smokes) takes longer to get high, uses more and comes down quicker.

Shet gets blasted off of Sativa's, but Indica's don't seem to do too much to her.

Tom

I have to chime on this thread as there is a lot of horse fertilizer that needs my

The original post is non-unique. The same is true for coffee, tea & sugar. It's metabolic peaks & valleys and it's how we are built. Actually, I think the #1 method is breath control, more important than brand of vaporizer, #2 is health (more below) and #3 is quality of supply - in most cases, you can control 2 of the 3 and in some places, all the above.

As I've posted recently, I have been loosing my gut and to chime in w/what luchiano said, its all about getting your body in mode. I find that a good workout between sessions increases subsequent sessions by more than 2x. Additionally, as I've lost about 20 lbs so far, edibles are more effective, saving me $ and getting done w/less stuff & quicker & cheaper!

I usually vape a few times a day, and I always notice that the first pack always hits me hard. Great tips btw, I'm not too bad, but if I ever do this is getting used.

Another related question, vaping and smoking build a tolerance at the same way? Searching on the web, many people assert that there are no difference, just because you inhale THC in your system. But I think there is something different, because one hit of vapor has different THC amount, and maybe it contains many cannabinoids that are burnt in a smoke hit. I think also the body reacts differently if you inhale smoke or just vapor. So can a vaporizer have more or less impact on the tolerance?

gabry

they don't call vitamin C the get off vitamin for nothing. It is very hard to get truly high if you are not getting your vitamins and or minerals. Consider a full body detox. I don't seem to build up a tolerance vaping unlike combusting . That being said switch to another strain.

Personally I've heard, and experienced getting really fucked up off of combustion, after vaping for awhile. I heard vaping lowers your tolerance, since we all know we can use a shit ton less bud than if we were going to combust. I know I rather get fucked up off of a .1-.2 e elbow, than to smoke a 2 gram blunt and most of it just burning off into the air. I think it's just the fact vaping uses so much less to get where you want, so your tolerance will lower, and I know when I smoked a blunt a few weeks ago I was tripping out lol.

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Personally I've heard, and experienced getting really fucked up off of combustion, after vaping for awhile. I heard vaping lowers your tolerance, since we all know we can use a shit ton less bud than if we were going to combust. I know I rather get fucked up off of a .1-.2 e elbow, than to smoke a 2 gram blunt and most of it just burning off into the air. I think it's just the fact vaping uses so much less to get where you want, so your tolerance will lower, and I know when I smoked a blunt a few weeks ago I was tripping out lol.

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Yeah but when you're getting more goodies into your system from the same weed, it's not actually a drop in tolerance is it? It's just an increase in efficiency.

yep, I just combust all night long, did not get higher than with my vape.

I searched FC for "saturate" and found this excellent thread.

While not exactly related to the topic, here is my personal story. I have been combusting for many years, on a nightly basis. About 6 months ago I finally tried a Volcano - and was hooked on vaping immediately.

Years ago when I first read about vaporizing, I bought a box type unit and later a VG, but I never really liked those.

After the Volcano experience, I bought an Extreme V3 and have brought that unit on boats, concerts, parties, even in a restaurant/bar with high back booths.

The few times I have smoked over those 6 months, the high felt really dirty, heavy, sleepy and generally not even worth it. I find the vape high so much cleaner, clearer, up, and cerebral. I have even literally tripped a few times vaping - once even an astral projection type effect. I never would get that high from smoking, (except when I first started smoking as a young teenager many years ago)

Over the years I have had many times I have had to stop smoking for various reasons. (it gave me stomach problems, acid reflux (smoke tends to make the upper GI sphincter more lax) - racing heart, feeling of being way too full, and needing to hold my stomach)

Ultimately I found the only way I could enjoy smoking herb was to stick to a "1 hit at a time rule," until I came down a bit from the initial rush. 2 hits back to back just gave me a very bloated feeling and racing heart - there were times I thought I was going to die - NOT FUN.

So after switching to Vape exclusively, all of sudden I found I could do multiple hits and get extremely stoned. I still do sometimes get the racing heart effect, but after years of dealing with this, I learned I had to keep breathing properly, and not allow myself to go into the partial hyperventilation mode that would further increase the racing heart/anxiety attack type feelings.

As a side note, I even used to take DGL licorice for my pot induced digestive problems, and once bought non DGL licorice which gave me actual heart palpitations. Not realizing the cause, I had a very expensive (even with insurance) full cardiac workup done, which showed nothing. Once I remembered I had been taking tiny amounts of licorice, and it's possible effect, I stopped and was fine.

Back to this thread. I have been noticing a few times lately that if I do my final vape for the night less than 2 hours before bedtime, that I am jolted from sleep multiple times per night by this scary sensation that my heart has skipped a beat.

Making sure my last vape is 2-3 hours before bedtime seems to have stopped this sensation.

I have also just taken a 2 day break, hoping to lower my blood THC levels a bit, but vaping this excellent Jack Herrer is so tempting.....

But the bottom line is that now that I am vaping, I am doing 5-10 times as many hits in a night as my old smoking days and probably a lot more THC. (I could only take 2-3 bong rips a night before bad effects would set in).

So has anyone else noticed that their blood is more saturated with THC (or find they are getting burnt out) after going towards vaping?