Discontinued Supreme Vaporizer

JCat

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Don't think you're off the hook only making one set of plates.
:lol: ... we'll see how they work ... not sure I want to build more!!!! Maybe if I got an order for 3 or 4 sets @ once to make building them worthwhile ... also maybe if I got some 3/8" thick aluminum to work with (as opposed to cutting slices of a 1.25" thick block that I then have to lap flat and smooth!)

We'll see ... this was a prototype ... the main thing that I really didn't have the tools for was the 1.125" diameter hole in the aluminum plate (5mm deep) ... this didn't go great with a cheap forstner bit :), but I managed!
 

KidFated.

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:lol: ... we'll see how they work ... not sure I want to build more!!!! Maybe if I got an order for 3 or 4 sets @ once to make building them worthwhile ... also maybe if I got some 3/8" thick aluminum to work with (as opposed to cutting slices of a 1.25" thick block that I then have to lap flat and smooth!)

We'll see ... this was a prototype ... the main thing that I really didn't have the tools for was the 1.125" diameter hole in the aluminum plate (5mm deep) ... this didn't go great with a cheap forstner bit :), but I managed!
I'm hoping my 3 doesn't need any extra help for a long time, I love it as is. Crazy work though, can't wait to hear how she works.
 

Buildozer

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So ... I spent about 3 hours or so building the above plates ... :lol: ... always takes a while to build 1-offs as well as I don't necessarily have the perfect tools to machine aluminum! (but it works :))

So here's the pics of the plates ready for the coil ... (coil won't show up in the mail until tomorrow, but when it does, I'll be ready for it :) ...)

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That didn't take long! That's what's up, JCat!! :rockon: at some point I plan to take a DIY route as well.. :cheers:
You get +1000 extra points for the day! :tup:

:peace:
 

mixchu69

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So ... I spent about 3 hours or so building the above plates ... :lol: ... always takes a while to build 1-offs as well as I don't necessarily have the perfect tools to machine aluminum! (but it works :))

So here's the pics of the plates ready for the coil ... (coil won't show up in the mail until tomorrow, but when it does, I'll be ready for it :) ...)

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Looks clean...count me as #1 of 4 needed, if you ever intend to sell a batch
 

JCat

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If I get enough interest I could maybe get a local machine shop to give me a price on building some ... if my prototype works! Just need the rough machining and I could always finish them off with tapping the threads/etc.

Alternately, if I can get a better bit for the large hole, then that would be the bulk of the battle (the rest of it being time consuming could be overcome if I build some jigs ...) ... the slot I could maybe improve upon a little (I just drilled a handful of holes then took a hand file to it ... similar to how one would approach making a mortise with a drill press/chisel).
 

Phenix

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dudes I could need help asap..
For some reason my sv3 temperature-meter stopped working. on closer inspection I saw that there are two wires: one is shielded in silicon and is fixed to the heating block.

The other wire isn't silicone-tubed and got disconnected. Where the hell does it belong!?

Thanks in advance ! :thumbs:

Modnote: Back to back posts merged

I figured it out some time back, but because of the sudden usage I didn't found time to post earlier...
For some reason the one wire had some sort of tubing on it so I simply had to plug the tube into the wire hanging out.

Glad that it works out !
 
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JCat

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So ... I'm the first one with an electric Supreme! :lol: ... seems to work very well now that I got it tuned in!

First time I tried, even after 10 minutes, still wasn't to temp, I had the enail cranked to 750F and still wasn't getting it to temp, and when I lowered it, after it finally got to 175F, then it started dropping pretty fast. First bowl was so-so this way.

Took it apart, and tried adjusting the flat coil so the inner part was more snug against the body of the SV3, and tried heating again, really didn't seem to be doing much better so just shut off after 8 minutes.

Attempt 3, I had a look and had decided it just needed to maybe improve the contact, possibly more so with the aluminum plate than the SV3, but best if it's both. I put an SS nut that fit in the middle of the coil to take up space and increase contact, and then also put a large SS washer on top of the coil to sit between it and the SV3 body. Tightened everything up, and low and behold, it heated up to 185C (365F) in I would say less than 10 minutes? (I didn't time it unfortunately, but was still tuning in the PID, so tough to say anyways, I'll know better next time.

I'll also want to watch to see what happens if you just leave it on for an hour, will the temp max out somewhere? I've got it set at 600F and it seems to be sitting at 365F. It has climbed very slowly to 370F though. Will it continue to get hotter? I would think it will saturate and max out ... hopefully at less than 190C (which seems to be the case ... seems to be stabilizing even though haven't used in maybe 10 min)

Anyways ... had 2 bowls with hole nugs, and wow! Then had a bowl with rosin (with the concentrate mod method ... thanks @biohacker :) ) ... WOW!!!!!!!!!

The one thing I'll say over the torch is it maintains the heat better (as the plates continue to heat it along with the coil ... would probably be better with dual coils actually and heat much faster! :lol: )

I may actually build plates with a separate thermocouple and cartridge heaters to plug into my high5 controller, and we'll see if that would do much better! (we'll see ... that's adventurous and this seems to be working pretty good! ... might actually be easier in a lot of ways though ... boring the holes for small cartridge heaters might be easier than the big hole to fit the coil!)

Takes maybe 15 seconds to install/remove from the SV3 so that's a + as well.

Anyways ... here's a pic:

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(FYI -- It's been on the whole time I've been writing this post, and it's still below approx. 190C/374F ... seems to go up and down a couple degrees C on the thermometer ... I've had to turn it back on once or twice ... I've kinda' lost track ... :lol: ... works pretty good! --especially that rosin hit!)

The one thing I still need to do, is figure out a more stable stand now. You lift by the e-nail coil handle, and that works well enough, however, I feel it's a little precarious on it's light metal stand! I may want to get rid of the extra thermometer at some point in a different mounting setup as well, as it won't be necessary if I know what the PID temps translate to.

Yay! Electric SV3!

Edit: I guess video to follow if I get the opportunity at some point this weekend!
 

Gray Area

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:cool:

Well done :tup:

I reckon thinner plates has got to be the way to go. Surely those big ones are robbing tons of heat (at least to start with)... though saying that, they're probably helping the temperature stability more later on, being thicker and all that :hmm:

Nice work :nod:
 

JCat

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:cool:

Well done :tup:

I reckon thinner plates has got to be the way to go. Surely those big ones are robbing tons of heat (at least to start with)... though saying that, they're probably helping the temperature stability more later on, being thicker and all that :hmm:

Nice work :nod:
Thanks! Just tried it again for a bowl of super lemon haze (full nugs) followed by some really awesome ghost train haze rosin. The flavor is amazing! So much better for concentrates too as it holds the temp ... it took ~10 min for it to get to 180C (356F). I have it set at 600F on the PID. It seems stable there though (if it sits unused it may go up to high 180's after a very long time, and might drop a couple degrees during use. It's the SV3, only better! (apart from it being a little top heavy ... :lol:)

Good point @Gray Area ... I think I can go with thinner plates, I'm not sure exactly how big the tradeoff there will be for heat-up time vs heat retention.

I may try some 1/4" thick plates each side as opposed to the current ~1cm (ie. ~.4") ... so that would reduce the mass by ~38% right there. I figure I could also trim an extra 1/2" to 5/8" off the length of the plates by using smaller gauge bolts and a smaller tap ... that would in turn reduce it by another 20-25%. So I should realistically be able to reduce the mass by 58-63%, not including the reduced mass of the SS bolts, so probably more like 70-75% reduction. We'll see. Something to play with :) It might result in poor heat retention and not be a good balance. Maybe then just a slight reduction in thickness and the same reduction in width with the smaller bolts and could probably still reduce the mass by 25-35% easy (maybe more) with no impact on heat retention.

Damn ... I guess I have some experimentation to do!

Machining 1/4" thick plate would also be way easier and much easier to source.

It's been running for over 1/2 an hour now and it's at about 186C

Might have one more session before I shut her off :)

Yep ... just had one last rosin session ... 2 huge hits, removed stem and cotton and swabbed out from opposite end, put cotton back in, re-inserted stem, got one more nice hit. Temp is @ 180C :)



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Wow! Turned it on from inside 10-15 minutes before I came out (thanks WeMo!) and when I came out, and turned on the thermometer to see where she was at ... it was @ 180C! Just right! (although thinking about dropping that to 175 for a goal temp)

So just had 2 rosin stems + 1 flower stem, and wow! It pretty much maintained it's 180 throughout. Amazing heat retention, and does it ever make a difference! Unlike @biohacker, I wasn't overly keen on this for concentrates, I found it's temp dropped too fast, and found too much trouble having to reheat or felt I was wasting ... not with this ... get 2-3 HUGE hits before it's done, then take the stem out, take the cotton out and use it to swab out the stem, re-insert, and get another decent hit :) Super efficient, super huge and tasty hits :) (tried the ones earlier dry, these were through water :))

Lovin' the electric SV3 hack! I'm sure the better weight/balance on Ed's actual electric Supreme is worth it ... really, if you had to buy the enail + coil + get plates made + get an SV3, it would be way more than just buying an SV4 :)

Had tons of fun building them though! And super glad it works :) Maybe delay buying an actual SV4 this way, or maybe I won't need to once I refine my plates to be lighter and build a sturdier stand?
 
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JCat

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Seems like I'm the only one posting here right now ... :lol: ...

Anyways, I built new plates, they are 69g vs 124g, so it's a drop of 55g, or 44%! Much better heat transfer since the coil's much tighter and this one's built with much smaller tolerance. I actually hit >200C in ~5min this time. I'm now at 216C and I'm trying to turn down the PID sufficiently to get it down to the right numbers! :lol:

Maybe I'll record another video once I get the new plates tuned in :)

Edit: So just had an awesome hit of Sour OG rosin @ about 190-195C. Temp is amazingly stable so new plates are awesome, better than originals probably because of tighter tolerances, and decrease in mass hasn't affected temp stability.

When PID is @ 480F, SV3 is @ about 370F vs. 605F for 370F on the old plates (so huge improvement!)

Here's a pic of the new setup:

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Edit 2: FYI —prototype #2 took me 2.5 hours to build ... started at 11 last night and finished at 1:30 (approx)
 
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JCat

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@JCat you are a true genius and a real nice guy on top. I can't ever use the Supreme but I really admire your efforts and respect you for for putting yourself out there with all of this for others. Well done bro and enjoy yout hard work.
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Thanks! I’m super happy with prototype #2 :)

It works amazing! Heat up times and heat retention and balance of the device are all good :science:

Edit: So just had some super lemon haze flower in it ... wow again! ... turned it on from inside ~10-15 minutes ahead of time (thanks WeMo), went out to the shop, and it was @ 185C .... perfect! Temp on PID is set @ 480F. Temp stayed above 180C and didn't go over 185C during the entire session. The better contact with the plate and coil and SV3 with the tighter tolerance has also led it to be more responsive as far as temperature I believe :tup:
 
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bellas

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I've used this in a pinch. Just wedge the thermocouple into the spot where the old temp sensor was. :2c:

:peace:
Thanks for that. I was wondering if something like that would work. It did, back in business.
@JCat I think you end up with best of both worlds. Electric / Butane transformer style.
Really awesome idea and motivation.

Personally I'm not interested in an electric version. I do hope Ed continues to offer the SV3 as a Butane vape. It would be a pity to see it retire.
 

JCat

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Thanks @CheeseSandwich :)

Turned on inside again w/ WeMo, 10 min before coming out, when I came out and checked, it was @ 183.5C ... had a stem of '91 k-og melon in it, and temp didn't drop below 181C for the whole session ... wow for temp stability :tup:

Edit: Oh yeah ... one other really awesome thing ... even when the forced air heater in the shop is running (and blowing on it), the temp stays nice and stable ... which is usually a major problem in that it causes the temp to drop to fast and makes it difficult to get the most out of a session without having to reheat.

Edit 2: I've been thinking about my process (so it can fit coils more generically as well as so I can produce one in much less time), and there are a couple things I need to do if I'm going to make more of these ...

I need to build a jig for my router table so I can route the hole and groove for the coil. This would allow me much more control, will make it faster and repeatable, will give me a cleaner result, and will allow me to make it larger than the coil requires to accommodate slight variations in coils. Similarly, the handle groove needs to be a little deeper then the coil groove (my coil is flat but the handle part is round and is slightly thicker).

I at first thought a limitation here was routing out something so small safely, but I realized there are 3 holes tapped into it, so if I do that first, then I can mount it to a block with a handle so I can keep my hands well out of the way while maintaining pressure and control.

The router is also the ideal tool for this since carbide bits cut aluminum incredibly well :)
 
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biohacker

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@JCat Bro you are on a roll! WOW! Thanks so much for the video nice work!!! :tup:

Two big advantages that I perceive over the SV4 with your SV3/SVE hack!

1. Ability to see temp right at the bowl vs the coil/block for the sv4. Going to be some trial and error with the sv4 I assume.

2. You have a perfectly working functional stand! SV4 doesn't.

Keep up the awesome work buddy! :rockon:
 

CheeseSandwich

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I'm broke as hell as I'm laid off in the winter but I will be getting my hands on a enail setup somehow to be ready for this. It might be time to purge some of the old collection, lol. My VAS hasn't flared up in some time but this has it RAGING.:clap:
 

biohacker

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I'm broke as hell as I'm laid off in the winter but I will be getting my hands on a enail setup somehow to be ready for this. It might be time to purge some of the old collection, lol. My VAS hasn't flared up in some time but this has it RAGING.:clap:

I sold my SV3 to help fund the SV4! Keep the Nano! It's the best vape i've ever used for concentrates, however the SV4 may change that! :)
 
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