Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

RalphsBlend

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I don't know if the FPSH is the best vaporizer ever, as I feel like you could make some improvements, but what does a universal "better" look like? I've learned from cars that so many things are engineering tradeoffs that get in the way of a universal "better".

That said I'm just gonna ramble based on what I've observed using it. :2c:

Part of what I like about this vape is how bulletproof and future proof it is. As long as you can find 20mm barrel coils with controllers it will work, and work well, albeit perhaps with differing heat-up times. Find a better PID? Great, slap it in there. You could make improvements to the heater, but do those changes result in a proprietary parts trap and lack of future-proofing? This part I don't think I would touch. :tup:

There are a couple areas I feel this vape could get better, specifically heating airpath, and a good way to track temperatures in the bowl.

1) I feel this vape would benefit from a more Supreme like airpath (for the heating), but the obvious question is does this unduly increase heat-up time and ease of use? Another part of this vape that is amazing is that it isn't unwieldy or awkward really. It needs a stand, and it needs a place, but the actual heating element is light and not bulky. The Supreme, for all the things it does right, is also a fairly large aluminum heatsink block that gets really hot and thus it does what it does really really well but it's just not a vape that screams "ease of use" by comparison. See also, material costs. If the airpath is getting longer, what does that do to A) the machining required and B) the amount of material needed? Titanium isn't cheap, and neither is machining it. The only "easy" solution I could come up with is smaller but more frequent holes. But the more I thought about it, the more I wasn't convinced that this would be "easy". You don't want to compromise structural integrity and too fine a mesh of holes could potentially do that. Also ease of machining, I suspect that making the holes smaller and more frequent could increase machining costs non-trivially despite what improvements to heat consistency you could potentially realize. I feel like there's probably a way to improve the heater airpath, but it may a non-trivial usability compromise and/or require lateral thinking, and the result might not be as otherwise easy to use as it is currently (fiddly bits, draw restriction increases, that sort of thing). I dunno, I think about that aspect of improvement more than I probably should.:shrug:

2) I would really like is a good way to check the temp at the screen. I don't think that even needs to be complicated, BYO temp probe, but perhaps a bowl that has a pluggable hole (with a narrow worm nut perhaps?) above the screen specifically designed to drop probes into in addition to the current offerings? I feel with the advent of the adjustabowl this is an easier goal to pursue but I don't know how much demand there would be for it.


...TL;DR: it's close. :D
 

brucee10

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I don't know if the FPSH is the best vaporizer ever, as I feel like you could make some improvements, but what does a universal "better" look like? I've learned from cars that so many things are engineering tradeoffs that get in the way of a universal "better".

That said I'm just gonna ramble based on what I've observed using it. :2c:

Part of what I like about this vape is how bulletproof and future proof it is. As long as you can find 20mm barrel coils with controllers it will work, and work well, albeit perhaps with differing heat-up times. Find a better PID? Great, slap it in there. You could make improvements to the heater, but do those changes result in a proprietary parts trap and lack of future-proofing? This part I don't think I would touch. :tup:

There are a couple areas I feel this vape could get better, specifically heating airpath, and a good way to track temperatures in the bowl.

1) I feel this vape would benefit from a more Supreme like airpath (for the heating), but the obvious question is does this unduly increase heat-up time and ease of use? Another part of this vape that is amazing is that it isn't unwieldy or awkward really. It needs a stand, and it needs a place, but the actual heating element is light and not bulky. The Supreme, for all the things it does right, is also a fairly large aluminum heatsink block that gets really hot and thus it does what it does really really well but it's just not a vape that screams "ease of use" by comparison. See also, material costs. If the airpath is getting longer, what does that do to A) the machining required and B) the amount of material needed? Titanium isn't cheap, and neither is machining it. The only "easy" solution I could come up with is smaller but more frequent holes. But the more I thought about it, the more I wasn't convinced that this would be "easy". You don't want to compromise structural integrity and too fine a mesh of holes could potentially do that. Also ease of machining, I suspect that making the holes smaller and more frequent could increase machining costs non-trivially despite what improvements to heat consistency you could potentially realize. I feel like there's probably a way to improve the heater airpath, but it may a non-trivial usability compromise and/or require lateral thinking, and the result might not be as otherwise easy to use as it is currently (fiddly bits, draw restriction increases, that sort of thing). I dunno, I think about that aspect of improvement more than I probably should.:shrug:

2) I would really like is a good way to check the temp at the screen. I don't think that even needs to be complicated, BYO temp probe, but perhaps a bowl that has a pluggable hole (with a narrow worm nut perhaps?) above the screen specifically designed to drop probes into in addition to the current offerings? I feel with the advent of the adjustabowl this is an easier goal to pursue but I don't know how much demand there would be for it.


...TL;DR: it's close. :D

I think the Sublimator's heated bowl and thermal equilibrium give it a very interesting profile. I don't know if the narrowed aperture creates a low pressure zone like the marketing materials say, but it is a massive single hit extraction that is very smooth. I even like it without water. It is very hot and tricky to use. You have to sort of juggle two very hot parts and the Teflon adapters get super sticky and covered reclaim quickly. I never felt comfortable having it around guests or my dog. It's well balanced with benefits and trade offs, so that's why it's packed up right now.
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
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Was gifted some pretty nice super lemon haze scissor hash from a recent trim...


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PID @ 680F
Crazy flavor, nothing like it in an extract. Those complex flower notes are concentrated for a real treat.

Real full spectrum hash :wave:
 

Vitolo

Vaporist
You have to sort of juggle two very hot parts
I was given one of the units you mention a few years back, when it was created. The Juggling and imbalance you speak of combined with the instability of the tool cause me to not recommend it as a medical tool, and I returned it.
The FP is nothing like that... very solid.
I would really like is a good way to check the temp at the screen.
The FP is like other User controlled Vaporizers.
You go by feel.
A few vapes are like this.... the VB1, SSV, DBV, and LSV are completely user controlled, and temperature is controlled by patient experience and by "feel".
What they lack is the choice to use wax with same set-up, or to use wax in combination with the flower hit.
If too hot, inhale faster to cool down the hit, if not hot enough... slow it down some.
A tool for a Vaporist that likes to control their experience themselves.
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Baron23

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FP Handle: I can t get it to fit really good to the coil, there is alwyas a gap between the two metal parts - any body has some pics how it is meant to fit?

I'm late to the game so this may have been answered already....but yes, coil brands can have different diameter connectors (between the wiring and the solid coil) which need to fit in the groove in the FP handle.

I had a convo with Edwyn about this once and he indicated that he really couldn't make 'one size fits all' and I agree with his conclusion. He said that if you just put it on, screw it down, then wrap it with the hemp the wrapping will cover the small gap, if any.

I think this is probably correct but I have found it very easy to take a Dremel tool and open up that internal channel for about an inch of length to accommodate the connector. Its aluminum and easy to work. And I'm not handy with tools at all....but I am a bit anal so I wanted a good fit! haha

I have three handles on three different coils.....FP, Liger, and D-nail Halo. Although they may seem a bit pricey (or they do to me), they are to me well worth it and I like the handles a lot.

uper lemon haze

Ah...you are killing me...Lemon Haze or SLH....both favorites of mine and not to be found yet anywhere in my state's new medical program. Hopefully soon....stuff makes me giggle which ain't easy with this 65 y.o. grump! haha

Cheers
 
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Vapetologist

HamsterDAMAGED
As long as you can find 20mm barrel coils with controllers it will work, and work well, albeit perhaps with differing heat-up times.

NewVape is not alone in using this style of XLR coil connection... I just stumbled into this:

https://thepronail.com/

From the what I can gather from Wiki and other sources about this particular XLR connector(that has been around for decades so I don't see how availability could be an issue) is that it was designed to use smaller gauge wires (---> larger wire diameter) that are ~30% bigger than standard(whatever that is) and it was designed to carry a higher current than other XLR connections. Considering the temps we are dealing with here, that seems to be a smart decision long-term?

Fanboys will be fanboys.

Also...I don't see why an adapter between the two isn't feasible. Seems like it would close the notions going around about this...maybe its not possible?
 
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RalphsBlend

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I think the Sublimator's heated bowl and thermal equilibrium give it a very interesting profile. I don't know if the narrowed aperture creates a low pressure zone like the marketing materials say, but it is a massive single hit extraction that is very smooth. I even like it without water. It is very hot and tricky to use. You have to sort of juggle two very hot parts and the Teflon adapters get super sticky and covered reclaim quickly. I never felt comfortable having it around guests or my dog. It's well balanced with benefits and trade offs, so that's why it's packed up right now.
The Sublimator is definitely an interesting case of pursuit of a specific "better" (complete one hit extraction) which makes a tradeoff with ease of use to achieve that, and achieve that goal extremely well. I know having watched some more in depth explanations of what one needs to do to use the sub that it's not my cup of tea, the preponderance of hot fiddly bits that can get stuck is really the deal breaker for me which is why it's a good example of my caution when considering how one could improve the FPSH; as it stands for me the FPSH cuts a great balance that doesn't sacrifice the ability to "speedbowl" and one hit while still keeping the general set up fairly user friendly assuming you have a good place to set it up.

The FP is like other User controlled Vaporizers.
You go by feel.
A few vapes are like this.... the VB1, SSV, DBV, and LSV are completely user controlled, and temperature is controlled by patient experience and by "feel".
What they lack is the choice to use wax with same set-up, or to use wax in combination with the flower hit.
If too hot, inhale faster to cool down the hit, if not hot enough... slow it down some.
A tool for a Vaporist that likes to control their experience themselves.
"Badges???? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
It's more for personal edification than anything else in this case, I probably wouldn't use the feature all the time (I certainly don't feel I need it, it just was one of the first minor improvements that crossed my mind ;)) but I would definitely use it for experimentation as I'm really curious to see what the temp/draw combinations I like actually mean in terms of heat at the screen, and would make for interesting data to conduct some hard data based experimentation.

The more I think about it the more I'm realizing it's probably easiest to buy another bowl body and just find someone to drill the hole for me as I'd guess it's probably a fairly limited pool of people who would actually use a feature such as the one I suggested.
 
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pxl_jockey

Just a dude
Wow, @latulipe999 great observation; the way @Chicken #420 & @Shooby are tweaking the set-up, with a glass bowl and using the Showerhead upside down = herbo bowl & heat injector. Especially when the Ti rolls out with digital controller & 2x power in the spring. It's such great fun watching what happens to the herb!

This is my very own personal tug-of-war, see-saw desktop decision for the first half of the year. :bang:
 

latulipe999

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Damn you guys weren't kidding about the glass bowls. Found a 14mm push bowl laying around the house, awesome flavors, though the bowl itself has some flaws as far as mating well with the showerhead, it was a great proof of concept.


oh guys, what are you gonna be when you all have tried the Herborizer ...

:D
 
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Hogni

Honi soit qui mal y pense
I don't want to miss my HerbTi! For sure the best European desktop vape. It's my beloved "Sandman", my device of choice for "goodnight-use". But for day use i prefer my awesome SH!
It's a pitty that the HerbTi is so uncommon in the US.

Anyway, there is one point I'm currentely very intersted in. Is there any difference in performance of D-Nail SiC Halo with D-Nail slim base and D-Nail SiC Halo with NV FP (D-Nail) SiC WA? Would appreciate a review on these two setups.
 

psychonaut

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Anyway, there is one point I'm currentely very intersted in. Is there any difference in performance of D-Nail SiC Halo with D-Nail slim base and D-Nail SiC Halo with NV FP (D-Nail) SiC WA? Would appreciate a review on these two setups.

I have dabs off SiC on the slim base close to mind from dabbing all day yesterday. I moved the SiC halo to the WA head and kept the same temps (620F). Seems to me to be close. The PID did overshoot 20F on warmup with WA whereas the slim base was only 15F, if that has any corelation. Trying to compare, meds seem same potency. Vapor production seems the same.
 
The glass bowl idea is a really good one. I love the FP but being able to see the herb as it vaporizes is really helpful to gauge how big a hit you're taking. I looked around and found a few slides that look like they might fit the flowerpot just right.

https://aqualabtechnologies.com/col...ss-disc-screen-bong-slide?variant=45572807879

https://aqualabtechnologies.com/col...ar-three-pinch-slide-18mm?variant=43469874567

https://aqualabtechnologies.com/col...8mm-octabowl-screen-slide?variant=43474712071

It's hard to tell if it'll fit just right, but based on the joint size and comparing it to the FP TI bowl, they all look about right.
 

Likes2vape

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Since I discovered uptemp dabbing I have been doing the same with flower. It is basically temp stepping without all the hassle of changing temps after every hit. I have been starting at 520-550 and ending around 666-710. The first couple hit are super flavorful with nice clouds and the last couple hits are cloud city but not as tasty. This is with the dnail wrap around. It works great for double deckers too!!
 

RalphsBlend

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I've gotten some new glass so I've been experimenting a bit. I shelled out for the Herbo XL large bubbler and I've been trying low 700s but I kept coming back to the throat feel being too much for multiple hits for me, though the throat feel is much improved from my little sidecar rig. So I lowered to 645 and capped it. Cloud city and it's not bugging my throat at all which is excellent, though the flavor just isn't quite the same as those ~700 insta-whitewall hits. That said, it may be the placebo effect, but it does feel like the effects of the capped hits are more potent.

Mmmm, tradeoffs. :science:

Problem is now I want the herbo XL sphere. :doh: GAS is real, man. :D
 

psychonaut

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Sunday funday! Been enjoying double deckers in the WA SiC halo at 640F. Twice today I got too ripped. One thing I noticed this weekend after being on a flower run nearly exclusively for the past several weeks. I get pretty damn high off rosin compared to flowers, for what would seem to be equal portions (squish a .5gr nug vs grinding it) in fact I turned the same amount of flower into rosin and got an extra session. I also didn't seem to have to medicate for nearly an hour longer. I wonder if this is because my receptors just aren't used to the onslaught that extracts bring?
 

ParanoidAndroid998

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I have the Sunday Scaries and the third consecutive week of work-related travel looking ahead of me tomorrow...but the night is yet young.

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Would be amazing if you could post a video of that ball rig in action.. I've been eyeing it online for months.
 
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