Ghost MV-1 Speculation and Shipping Thread

bryancross said:

Right... they're giving him 20$ a unit and maybe much more. That kind of speculation is just crazy honestly, 20$ / unit is A LOT for any business on an item(s) around 300$-500$.

So, from what you've said S&B paying him % on every unit and ghost mv1 paying him ect....

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They just dropped the price $50 retail on the Mighty a couple months ago. With your reasoning that $50 should have broke S&B. A 5% stipend to pay somebody to move, possible hundreds or even thousands of units over the course of a products lifetime is nothing. They would more than make it up in sales alone. We ALLREADY know Ghost is paying him-he stated it early on!!! You joined this thing kinda late obviously!

Stormsend said:

Maybe using it over time changed his mind? Like when I first got a pax 2 I thought I would never need another vape, but then the flaws started to come out. Like the mouthpiece getting G stuck and constantly cleaning it. Eventually the shine of this vape wore off. Maybe that's what happened?

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It was the Pax1 that the mouthpiece got stuck and needed lubrication. Not Pax2

SpudBob said:

They just dropped the price $50 retail on the Mighty a couple months ago. With your reasoning that $50 should have broke S&B. A 5% stipend to pay somebody to move, possible hundreds or even thousands of units over the course of a products lifetime is nothing. They would more than make it up in sales alone. We ALLREADY know Ghost is paying him-he stated it early on!!! You joined this thing kinda late obviously!

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I don't think the vape critic moves thousand of mighty units, I still think 20$ a unit is a crazy speculation on how much they would give someone. I'm pretty sure they don't make much more than double that in profit / unit, it would be an insane % of overhead they'd be giving away.

They were probably able to take the cost down in part because manufactured parts are less expensive then when they started, or simply because they needed to stay at a relevant price point compared to other units that are out there.

No, I didn't join this thing kinda late. I've seen the videos for mv1 when they came out, i've read this thread and a multitude of others. Bud states the transparency of his involvement with the company, even if he didn't he's wearing a ghost hat so you'd have to be a fool not to do the math. They probably asked for some of his input, didn't even take all of it in (lookin' at you crucible top). Probably gave him some cash and stock options, again i'm starting to sound like you with a lot of probably(s) because most of this is 100% speculation.

Also, you're not really contributing in this discussion. I've seen you post a few times saying the same old thing, most of us seem to not even care about the vape critic and just wanna see how the actual vape works. You don't even know the dude or any circumstance and you're tossing out a dollar amount he may or many not even get from a company who isn't even making this vape the thread is about, heck... you're even talking about particulars like how he gets paid, the amount per unit ect. It's hilarious... I don't even know if I can watch this thread seriously anymore because people like you derail it so bad, regurgitating the same thing over and over.

You got your opinion and I ,as well as other, have ours. If you had been in from the get go you would have known that they pushed back release date twice. Was supposed to be July, then late August. You, obviously, know little about retail mark up on these units.

SpudBob said:

It was the Pax1 that the mouthpiece got stuck and needed lubrication. Not Pax2

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The pax 2 had that issue too, overtime the resin would build up and since you had to push the mouthpiece down to turn it on, it would get sticky and not turn on and off. They both had the issue, but in different ways, I know because I've had both for years.

I, personally, never had that issue with Pax2. Pax 1 yes P.I.T.A. I clean my gear pretty often though!

bryancross said:

I don't think the vape critic moves thousand of mighty units, I still think 20$ a unit is a crazy speculation on how much they would give someone. I'm pretty sure they don't make much more than double that in profit / unit, it would be an insane % of overhead they'd be giving away.

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In the consumer electronics field, a retailers gross profit typically ends up being around 40%. The landed cost directly from the manufacturer is typically half of the retailers cost. So if S&B works on the same profit structure, which I don't know why they wouldn't, it would mean that if the vape retails for 350, S&B would make about 125 per unit. At that rate, adding 20 dollars to the cost of goods sold and taking that out of their advertising budget is not out of line at all, especially if they consider those sales as incremental sales that they wouldn't have had otherwise.

SpudBob said:

I, personally, never had that issue with Pax2. Pax 1 yes P.I.T.A. I clean my gear pretty often though!

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Pax 2 was my daily driver, used it several times a day for over a year. It crapped out last year and in that time I got a Mighty and Cloud Evo and have been good!

Back to the Ghost!

This thread feels a bit

@BudVC come on in here already

... he has been long banned from FC. Read above.

FlyingLow said:

... he has been long banned from FC. Read above.

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He's actually been unbanned

I know thats why I invited him to the conversation since most questions people have could prob be answered by him. Welcome back @BudVC

Look on his forum, he's having issues with the site. He's trying to get in here to respond and answer questions, but he's not getting an email he needs to do so.

bryancross said:

You don't even know the dude or any circumstance and you're tossing out a dollar amount he may or many not even get from a company who isn't even making this vape the thread is about, heck... you're even talking about particulars like how he gets paid, the amount per unit ect. It's hilarious... I don't even know if I can watch this thread seriously anymore because people like you derail it so bad, regurgitating the same thing over and over.

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This ^^ plus 1M

Its called setting up your own straw man so you can knock it down. NOT A FUCKING FACT to be found in any of it. (as in an event known to have occurred....emphasis on the known part cause all of this is made of whole cloth)

There are a number of posters in this thread doing this...idle speculation presented just so they can then criticize based on....wait for it....their own speculation.

@max - Hi Max....so, I have seen a number of warnings in different threads about bashing. You know, if you don't have any new info, don't regurgitate the same old criticisms. When does that apply to Ghost and the Vape Critic?

elykpeace said:

I know thats why I invited him to the conversation since most questions people have could prob be answered by him. Welcome back @BudVC

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Stormsend said:

He's actually been unbanned

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FlyingLow said:

... he has been long banned from FC. Read above.

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As far as I know, he hasn't been able to get verification emails to activate his new account, the old one is still "banned", and its the typical "no way to reach the Admin to fix this" stuff. sigh

Although if you follow @elykpeace link, it will take you to a member profile, you cannot, for example, yet send him a PM...he doesn't show up as an active and addressable member.

....was more a triplecate I guess? Nervous fingers?

Hogni said:

....was more a triplecate I guess? Nervous fingers?

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heheheh...nah, I was trying to cut and paste a quote back into the original post, and f'd it up twice and created a new post...sorry. Bit fumble fingered this morning. haha

That's great that Bud is being allowed to come chat, but we've already heard everything he has to say about the actual vaporizer, and I doubt he is going to spill the beans on his personal finances and company affiliation on here, so I don't know what folks are expecting him to clear up.

What would be smart is to shut this thread down and start a new one when units are actually shipping, before this turns into the Grasshopper release thread...

I think a lot of the speculation around this vaporizer would be put to rest if it were released to the public and other reviewers.

invertedisdead said:

That's great that Bud is being allowed to come chat, but we've already heard everything he has to say about the actual vaporizer, and I doubt he is going to spill the beans on his personal finances and company affiliation on here, so I don't know what folks are expecting him to clear up.

What would be smart is to shut this thread down and start a new one when units are actually shipping, before this turns into the Grasshopper release thread...

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Yepp, agree and why should he? I don't think he's accountable in any way to anyone here. Who are we to expect something in this way?? In his stead I would call to you a big "Fuck you and your encroaching curiosity!"

The only thing is clarifcation of his new rating system so far as it isn't conclusively.

Let speak this device for itself - in a good or bad manner. Regardless what Bud is saying about it.

Yepp, a new thread about the DEVICE would be nice. This whole thread is a bashing fuck up whatever. Cant understand why no mod is acting....

Don't get me wrong. There are some things which have a fishy 'haut gout" for sure. But all about it are pure speculations - and these nearly along the whole thread and it doesn't stop.

steama said:

I thought everyone here at FC likes bud. I like bud.

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So do I. And he's a personal friend. And the people assassinating his character have not a single reason to impugn his ethics or values.

To the bashers and haters....don't speculate about this or that, please don't give me your analyses how this must be or that must be.

Just tell me ONE FUCKING TIME that Bud lied to you or intentionally misled you personally. Just one.

And this doesn't include @bobo305 who is just working out his resentments from being banned on the hardest MJ forum on the internet to get banned from. I tell you right now, if you can get banned from Vape Life, you should step careful on FC as they will bounce your ass in a NY second in comparison.

How about you, @lwien , you have made some of what I would consider disparaging remarks about Bud's ethics. Do you have a story where he lied or misled you intentionally? One example?

Yeah, this thread has descended into utter bashing IMO and its seems that protection from same is not perhaps evenly administered.

Until the vaporizer is released and in members' hands, there will be speculation. It's the internet and people offer their opinions... this should not be a surprise to anyone.

Having said that, we should all maintain respect for our fellow members, and not cast personal aspersions. We are a pretty chill bunch here on FC, so I know we can all get along and just play nice without personal attacks.

invertedisdead said:

What would be smart is to shut this thread down and start a new one when units are actually shipping, before this turns into the Grasshopper release thread...

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I've been considering doing this. Let's see how it plays out.

If we do get Bud back here on FC, he should and must be treated with the same amount of respect given every other member here. We can criticize and question without getting personal, of course. That's to be expected and I think Bud is well aware of the fact that he has vocal fans and critics alike around here.

Hello, my name is Charlie, and I signed up early for a Ghost.

I need me some good VUDS.
The Ghost better give 'em to me.
(Variable User Defined Sessions)

Also like the promises of quick warmup, dense vapor, open cool draw, easy to use and clean, controlled/safe, good battery time. Bonus: for us slow learners, it seems the Ghost even provides training wheels -- draw now, stop now

ChooChooCharlie said:

Hello, my name is Charlie, and I signed up early for a Ghost.

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Hello Charlie! My name is AJS .. and I'm a vapeaholic.

Baron23 said:

How about you, @lwien , you have made some of what I would consider disparaging remarks about Bud's ethics. Do you have a story where he lied or misled you intentionally? One example?

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I just made a general statement that ANY reviews by ANY reviewer who has retail links on their site, that those reviews should be taken with a grain of salt and I explained why I felt that way. I have never said, nor implied that Bud has either lied or mislead me personally. All I'm saying is that if he is being financially compensated by the manufacture of the vape that he is reviewing, then that review is suspect. That's just common sense, is it not?

I just deleted three posts that continued to discuss Bud and not the Ghost. Please stick to the topic.