Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud
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stinkmeaner
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For the durability problem, wouldn't you think that if it was heated evenly (Move the Flame around) then it shouldn't crack for a long time if at all. I know glass nails crack so often because they get heated till red hot and completely engulfed in the flame, I imagine the Rain won't get near as hot. Some have said "The Glass Vape" cracks after a while and I suspect it cracks because of the bends and also the fact that you heat in one spot which goes against the general advice for heating Boro, here is a quote from Wiki: While more resistant to thermal shock than other types of glass, borosilicate glass can still crack or shatter when subject to rapid or uneven temperature variations.
*Maybe could you post a close up picture of the Rain for the board when you get a chance?
*Are those separations something like a disk perc, maybe to slow the airflow down and create reserve pockets of hot air on tap till you inhale?
*Is this design a preview of the heating system featured in the Cloud?
*Maybe could you post a close up picture of the Rain for the board when you get a chance?
*Are those separations something like a disk perc, maybe to slow the airflow down and create reserve pockets of hot air on tap till you inhale?
*Is this design a preview of the heating system featured in the Cloud?
notmyrealUSERname
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a package deal with the vapeXhale cloud might be a great idea?! i want both!
so cool!
Pappy
shmaporist
SM, if you ever considered using something like MagSafe down the road read this article. A company named Sanho will probably obtain a license and you may be able to piggyback off that.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/18/hypermac-to-halt-sales-of-magsafe-charging-cables/
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/18/hypermac-to-halt-sales-of-magsafe-charging-cables/
Pappy - Thanks for the link, I will follow this closely as the MagSafe stuff does seem very cool.
Stinkmeaner - Answers to all your questions to come shortly. Still tweaking this puppy, would like to make it smaller and more durable. The beta unit showed some signs of wear and tear after 20 bowls but I used a big flame and was lighting the same area. I will play around with a smaller flame and more even heating to see how it holds up.
Made a very slight update to the video (cleaned up the voiceover slightly) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw2voFKDw0g
Stinkmeaner - Answers to all your questions to come shortly. Still tweaking this puppy, would like to make it smaller and more durable. The beta unit showed some signs of wear and tear after 20 bowls but I used a big flame and was lighting the same area. I will play around with a smaller flame and more even heating to see how it holds up.
Made a very slight update to the video (cleaned up the voiceover slightly) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw2voFKDw0g
stinkmeaner
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What if you used a band of metal snugly fitted around a portion of the Rain to act as a point of contact for the flame, this might make the heat up more gradual like a Pyrex dish in the oven, a conductive metal like copper of aluminum would do the trick.
i'm pretty sure the metal would crack the glass ... i have to be careful about how tightly i wrap the nichrome around my borosilicate tube (1.2 mm thick) -- i think i read thick glass is more heat stress prone than thinner glass.
hereatlast
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Very cool, looked like very nice heat retention and a nice milky rip. Definitely looking forward to it.
Just out of curiosity, how does this relate to the Cloud? Obviously you'll be producing both units at some point, but will they be paired up or completely separate? Is this a distinct project completely?
Again looking good, always nice to be able to milk a large piece with low-temp vapor.
Just out of curiosity, how does this relate to the Cloud? Obviously you'll be producing both units at some point, but will they be paired up or completely separate? Is this a distinct project completely?
Again looking good, always nice to be able to milk a large piece with low-temp vapor.
stinkmeaner
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It might, I don't know too much about glass but there are Tea Kettles that have a copper base fused onto the outside of the glass. If a tight fit was a problem then maybe a loose fit would work by creating a pocket of air in between.
I found a picture that uses my theory, notice the copper placed where the burner would make contact.
I found a picture that uses my theory, notice the copper placed where the burner would make contact.
however, that's like boiling water in a paper cup ... the paper burns down to the water line, but the heat capacity of the water keeps the rest of the paper from burning ... so the glass won't get hotter than 212F.
stinkmeaner
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I know all about cookware, I love to cook and I have plenty if not too much cookware, Demeyere (my
favorite), All Clad, Staub, and some copper Falk Culinair, so I am well aware of what copper does.
If the copper plate or band was fused to the glass in a certain way then it shouldn't cause the glass to expand, it would create a spot to apply the torch flame and the copper would then spread the heat evenly and then transfer gently to the glass without causing a hot spot that would create expansion like a direct flame. It would be an easy experiment that would be worth a try. If that didn't work you could try quartz.
favorite), All Clad, Staub, and some copper Falk Culinair, so I am well aware of what copper does.
If the copper plate or band was fused to the glass in a certain way then it shouldn't cause the glass to expand, it would create a spot to apply the torch flame and the copper would then spread the heat evenly and then transfer gently to the glass without causing a hot spot that would create expansion like a direct flame. It would be an easy experiment that would be worth a try. If that didn't work you could try quartz.
B.
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how about separate the glass you heat from the main rain unit, and have them connect with a gong connection, that way when the heat inevitably cracks the glass you can just replace the one smaller piece.
Or maybe offer a quartz unit, or maybe have the quartz heating area connect to the main glass rain unit .
I'm just basing this on my few months experience with glass nails in oil domes, little torch has already cracked a couple of nails. I really need some quartz or ti nails. Luckily I have a few spare glass nails left. Um...off topic ramblings. I'm not even stoned.
But yes, a package raincloud deal would be sweet. Will you make adapters so the cloud can make it rain? Would u even need an adapter?
Or maybe offer a quartz unit, or maybe have the quartz heating area connect to the main glass rain unit .
I'm just basing this on my few months experience with glass nails in oil domes, little torch has already cracked a couple of nails. I really need some quartz or ti nails. Luckily I have a few spare glass nails left. Um...off topic ramblings. I'm not even stoned.
But yes, a package raincloud deal would be sweet. Will you make adapters so the cloud can make it rain? Would u even need an adapter?
minnesnowta
Vaporist/Glass Head
I'm thinkin quartz would be the way to go if possible. It can stand heating cycles like ti, heats up faster than metal and has most of the benefits of boro. The only bad thing about it is that it doesn't retain heat quite as well so you'd have to torch it more often which I don't think would be a prob since it heats up so fast. I have no clue on how easy quartz is to work with but I have a quartz skillet and love the thing, more than my ti pads. 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, it is very much appreciated.
So quick update...
Re: Quartz - At first glance, quartz seems like the solution but quartz is about 7x more expensive than glass and infinitely harder to work with. Due to our design requirements, using quartz isn't a feasible option today as it is harder to bend and work than glass. Until it makes more economic sense, quartz isn't the right path.... at least for now.
What has been working great is Stinkmeaner's suggestion of spreading the heat around more as well as using a smaller flame. I vaped about 20 bowls before the initial one cracked when I used full torch power and was heating pretty much one spot. I am at about 30 bowls with the current model and so far so good.
@stinkmeaner - that copper concept is very interesting, I will def do some experimentation.
@2clicker - I'll start a VXR thread as soon as I feel comfortable enough to release this to the public. Given the first one cracked after 20 bowls, I was a bit hesitant to create a thread for something with durability issued. Even if the product never comes out, at least the video gave you some insight into the VXL engineering team and some of the different things we are doing here to innovate in the vapor space.
Quick Question - Let's say the VXR is durable enough with the new method of more even heating with a lower flame. Would you guys be comfortable purchasing this type of vape knowing that if you heat it improperly, it could potentially break? Price point for something like this would be similar to HDVape or Vapocane or any other vape in this genre.
So quick update...
Re: Quartz - At first glance, quartz seems like the solution but quartz is about 7x more expensive than glass and infinitely harder to work with. Due to our design requirements, using quartz isn't a feasible option today as it is harder to bend and work than glass. Until it makes more economic sense, quartz isn't the right path.... at least for now.
What has been working great is Stinkmeaner's suggestion of spreading the heat around more as well as using a smaller flame. I vaped about 20 bowls before the initial one cracked when I used full torch power and was heating pretty much one spot. I am at about 30 bowls with the current model and so far so good.
@stinkmeaner - that copper concept is very interesting, I will def do some experimentation.
@2clicker - I'll start a VXR thread as soon as I feel comfortable enough to release this to the public. Given the first one cracked after 20 bowls, I was a bit hesitant to create a thread for something with durability issued. Even if the product never comes out, at least the video gave you some insight into the VXL engineering team and some of the different things we are doing here to innovate in the vapor space.
Quick Question - Let's say the VXR is durable enough with the new method of more even heating with a lower flame. Would you guys be comfortable purchasing this type of vape knowing that if you heat it improperly, it could potentially break? Price point for something like this would be similar to HDVape or Vapocane or any other vape in this genre.
Pappy
shmaporist
Since you asked... I personally wouldn't be interested in a product like this because I consider it accident prone. Not just prone to breakage but usage accidents that could produce injury. Not to say there isn't a market for it. I don't know? As the manufacturer I know you'll consider all possible ramifications but I'd put "accident prone" in the minus column. The last thing you need is lawsuits.stonemonkey55 said:
stinkmeaner
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You probably already thought of this but I figured I would share some ideas I had to get the copper in place (Keep in mind I have no experience in glass though) I hope I am not out of line, I just like to share ideas that are coming into my head. This thing is going to sell like crazy and and with a price point of the HD vape it sounds like a great value, all glass alternative to the Supreme Vape.
For a copper band I was thinking you could just pick up some copper pipe in the appropriate diameter at Home Depot and cut into rings, then I am sure one of your glass artists can slip a ring onto the Rain and blow to expand the ring in place, maybe in between two mariahs.
For a copper band I was thinking you could just pick up some copper pipe in the appropriate diameter at Home Depot and cut into rings, then I am sure one of your glass artists can slip a ring onto the Rain and blow to expand the ring in place, maybe in between two mariahs.
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