Discontinued VapeXhaleLabs Presents: The Cloud

just some q's:

-how does this unit operate? With the glass attachment on top? If yes, how does the unit stabilize considering it doesnt really have a base and doesnt seem to be particularly wide?
- I am assuming that the chambers are to be filled with water. If yes, have you addressed the concerns of those who dont particularly think having water suspended over an electronic product is the smartest thing? Especially since the water inside of a chamber has the tendency to shift when clearing.

with all due respect, it seems like a novel idea but adding water to the vaporization process isnt absolutely necessary in terms of effects achieved. Despite there being no whips or bags, the delivery system is the glass tube (which some might consider a wide glass-made whip) which when broken (and im sure everyone will break one at some point) will be costly to replace

on the positive side, it is fun to take vaporized bong rips.

i hate to come in here and come across negatively but in reality, if i'm thinking of these issues, whos to say everyone else isnt thinking the same?

smoknaces said:

just some q's:

- I am assuming that the chambers are to be filled with water. If yes, have you addressed the concerns of those who dont particularly think having water suspended over an electronic product is the smartest thing? Especially since the water inside of a chamber has the tendency to shift when clearing.

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Not to mention if water hit that hot glass it would crack/shatter and end up all over the vapor path! (right?)

I'm pretty sure boro won't do that. It's like Pyrex. Its supposed to handle temp changes like that.

Water getting in the unit would be hard unless someone blew into the hydra tube or physically dumped it in. Even so there's not going to be that much water in the hydra tubes. And stonemonkey has allready said the electronics are seperated. Sonas long as you don't blow into it and are careful with glass like you should be you shouldn't have a problem

minnesnowta said:

I'm pretty sure boro won't do that. It's like Pyrex. Its supposed to handle temp changes like that.

Water getting in the unit would be hard unless someone blew into the hydra tube or physically dumped it in. Even so there's not going to be that much water in the hydra tubes. And stonemonkey has allready said the electronics are seperated. Sonas long as you don't blow into it and are careful with glass like you should be you shouldn't have a problem

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This is true. Thanks

how does this unit operate? With the glass attachment on top? If yes, how does the unit stabilize considering it doesnt really have a base and doesnt seem to be particularly wide?

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@smoknaces - Thank you for your insightful questions...

Yes, the unit operates with the HydraTube sitting on top of the Cloud itself. When the two pieces are joined, it will balance fine on a table. These units are versatile and they can be used on any glass on glass waterpipe or Hydratube. If you dont want to balance it on a table, you can easily hold the base Cloud in your hand as if you were carrying a traditional waterpipe and take vrips will kickin back in a recliner.

When the Cloud is not in use, we recommend separating the two pieces.

I am assuming that the chambers are to be filled with water. If yes, have you addressed the concerns of those who dont particularly think having water suspended over an electronic product is the smartest thing? Especially since the water inside of a chamber has the tendency to shift when clearing.

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Our HydraTube designs will allow for these units to be safely and securely placed atop the Cloud. The Hydratubes were also designed in a fashion where there is no splash-back. Water in the chamber will be kept there but unless it is physically forced into the Cloud unit (by blowing down into the Hydratube) the water is of no threat to the heating element and electronics.

We cant be responsible if someone blows water back down the HydraTube but the electronics are completely separate from the vapor path so there should be no issue there.

last but not least, with all due respect, it seems like a novel idea but adding water to the vaporization process isnt absolutely necessary in terms of effects achieved. Despite there being no whips or bags, the delivery system is the glass tube (which some might consider a wide glass-made whip) which when broken (and im sure everyone will break one at some point) will be costly to replace

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Although many vaporists do not moisture condition their vapor, it is a generally accepted that dry vapor does leave one a bit parched. The Hydratube is specifically designed to add humidity lost in the vaporization process, back into the experience- thus addressing the discomfort and dry cough associated with dry vapor.

As far as them being costly pieces to replace, you could always replace the HydraTube with a simple water pipe that has a glass on glass fitting to keep costs down. When we created the Cloud, the idea was not to make the most affordable accessories, it was to design what we believe to be the best vapor experience. When you replace your HydraTube, you could get one with a different percolator (tree, showerdome, waffle, etc etc) which will give you a whole new feel to your vaporizer. I think when you compare the price of a HydraTube with the price of another vaporizer, the Hydratubes modularity actually gives you a lot of bang for the buck.

To sum it up, the HydraTubes are a huge differentiator for us and we worked with only the best glassblowers in the game to develop water tools with the cleanest welds, awesome diffusion, and creative designs. I hope that everyone appreciates the combined creative forces of their minds that went into developing these pieces.

As a glass lover/collector/fiend, Im just happy to be getting my hands on some pieces from Sovereignty, SGW, or VG I figure this was the best way to make a living while being able to pass this experience onto a wider audience. Let me know if there are any other questions I can answer.

I hope that everyone appreciates the combined creative forces of their minds that went into developing these pieces

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I'm pretty sure boro won't do that. It's like Pyrex. Its supposed to handle temp changes like that.

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not talking against the vxc or anything but test tubes crack often under those conditions

there is a thermal shock specification for pyrex/boro/kimax glassware -- like 100C or so, depending on thickness and glass formula

smoknaces said:

just some q's:

-how does this unit operate? With the glass attachment on top? If yes, how does the unit stabilize considering it doesnt really have a base and doesnt seem to be particularly wide?
- I am assuming that the chambers are to be filled with water. If yes, have you addressed the concerns of those who dont particularly think having water suspended over an electronic product is the smartest thing? Especially since the water inside of a chamber has the tendency to shift when clearing.

with all due respect, it seems like a novel idea but adding water to the vaporization process isnt absolutely necessary in terms of effects achieved. Despite there being no whips or bags, the delivery system is the glass tube (which some might consider a wide glass-made whip) which when broken (and im sure everyone will break one at some point) will be costly to replace

on the positive side, it is fun to take vaporized bong rips.

i hate to come in here and come across negatively but in reality, if i'm thinking of these issues, whos to say everyone else isnt thinking the same?

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It's true-- If you like to blow into your vaporizers, aren't good with glass, and hate water filtration, the Cloud might not be the vape for you. You could always use it without water though.

Hey stonemonkey, we've seen a few pics of hydra tubes with showerheads and what not. But I don't think I've seen or heard what a basic hydratube would be like.

Are we talking just a straight tube with no water filtration or is there a simple water filtration method that you'd utilise?

Say someone purchased a package with a sooper worked inverted shower tree waffle hydratube, would they also get a simple/basic hydratube included?

Thanks mate. This has been fun to watch

SM- I want to see a hydra with a disco ball perc. Like if you took a waffle perc, and made it into a sphere and poked holes all around it.

Hope that makes sense, I'm not runnin on much sleep right now...

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SM- I want to see a hydra with a disco ball perc. Like if you took a waffle perc, and made it into a sphere and poked holes all around it.

Hope that makes sense, I'm not runnin on much sleep right now...

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You want a peyote ball pillar. SM posted pics of a few in this thread, or at least 1.

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Hey stonemonkey, we've seen a few pics of hydra tubes with showerheads and what not. But I don't think I've seen or heard what a basic hydratube would be like.

Are we talking just a straight tube with no water filtration or is there a simple water filtration method that you'd utilise?

Say someone purchased a package with a sooper worked inverted shower tree waffle hydratube, would they also get a simple/basic hydratube included?

Thanks mate. This has been fun to watch

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@manchild - we have two basic HydraTube designs, still trying to figure out which one works best. When you buy a Cloud kit with HydraTube, you will only be getting the HydraTube you specified. I guess if you want a really cheap alternative mouthpiece, you could always use a whip but then that would defeat the point of the all glass delivery system.

I know you guys like pictures, so here are some pics of the Cloud. We'll get nicer looking screws, etc etc so this is by no means the final product... but it is looking good to me!

Hey now! Is there a bowl on in those pics? Is that a hydra tube on top in the one pic or is that a bowl? One more question, does the metal near the temp nob and on/off switch get hot because its not covered by the heat shield?

@Stonemonkey; I have a simple request, and it's not a biggy if you can't do it. Is there any way that you can put gradation markers where you turn the temperature knob? Even with numbers 1-whatever.

I know that people are going to find their own 'sweet spot', but believe me that this takes a lot of guess work out of use. Someone could simply dial in to a particular number.

thanks

Tom

yep, was going to ask the same, gradation makers would be more than welcome.

Also, imHo and to participate, i find the gradation knob to big. A flatter one would be more stylish imo.

@Mr. Smoke No More - yes, the bowl is attached in the picture, there will be some minor tweaks, but for the most part, that is how the bowl will look on top of the Cloud.

@tdavie - there will definitely be numeric values so that you can always remember what your "sweet spot" is. To make it simple, we are tuning it so if you are at 12 o'clock, then that should be optimal, low temp, blue vapor.

@raf007 - thank you for your feedback. We have heard varying opinions on the knob, we will take your suggestion under consideration.

A few questions:

1) When using the Cloud with a bong (upside down, correct?), will you need to increase the temperature since the herb will be farther from the heat?

2) Is the plug modular? (I prefer that, but it's not a big deal.) Along the same lines, is it possible to have a 110/220 adapter, so you would not have to have different models? (I think the Extreme Tower is like that. I know that the Verdamper comes with a 110/220 adapter - I own one.)

3) How hard is it to change the screens? That is my one of the drawbacks of the bowl that comes with the VHW (I don't have a Blazemaster bowl): it's too small and it can be a huge hassle getting the screen to sit right. The huge bowl for the Verdampger has a perfectly flat bottom with a really wide opening and a screen that's a snap to remove and put back.

4) Any idea of the price for just the Cloud, no other glass included? (Sorry if this has been asked/answered.)

5) Is it possible to include a picture of the opposite side? I'm just curious how it opens to allow placement/removal of the bowl. And any pictures of the various bowls would also be greatly appreciated.

It really looks like a fantastic product, and I hope I'll have the funds to get one (thus my question about the least expensive option.)

Best of luck with this.

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SOrry for all the questions.
I know some of these might have been answered already in the thread. I have looked at a lot of this thread in all its glory, but mostly just the pretty pictures. I didn't have time to read all 469 posts.
SO my apologies for restating any "already asked/answered" questions.



THe up-close pictures look AMAZING.
I like the color! much better than blue...
THis looks like a Solid, shiny, quality product.

I thought it would be cool to sell custom dials .
Maybe just different colored anodized aluminum knobs..
or even crazy glass dials (like the ssv) to match a hyrdatubes with similar colored accents..
just a thought.

Someone asked about the Knob having tick marks on it... and you responded that it would be made to be 12 oclock default for medium, blue vapor.
If you turn it all the way up, is it POSSIBle to combust the material at all ??

It is possible to use this with ANY BONG >?? will this bring old pieces back to life like the Wand ? or do you need "Hydratubes" ?


THE Hydratubes are useless without the cloud-right ?

WIll it ALWAYS be sold with a hydratube ? or will it eventually be sold by itself?


Does it make a lot of nOise ??

Can you leave it on without burning down the house ?
will it turn off, or will it accumulate heat etc...

It looks really SOLIDLY Built from the pictures.
Is it HEAVY ? or is it kind of light (like an iolite)

HOw large is the footprint of the Device ?
I only ask because you said that it would support the hydratube, standing alone... adn i thougth about the big hydratube in the picture.

Will it support ANY hydratube ?
THat's why i asked about the footprint and the WEIGHT. if it's heavy enough, it wont matter how big the hydra-tubes are maybe ?
Will there be aftermarket hydratubes made by WHOEver, or it is like a private market for stoneglassworks adn sovereignty..?


HOw many products feature an all glass airpath for the vapor ?
is it just this and the wand ??



ANd this has the ADDED benefit of NO restricted airflow...
has there been anything like this yet ?
IS this the FIRST product of its KIND ??
Or is this an improved version of an existing idea ?




Thanks for continually answering questions !!
and THanks for making such a cool product!!

The Cloud looks great but you already know that. I really like the fact that you can use it with a whip if you a friend come over that you do not trust with an expensive piece of glass, especially since there will be water inside and if they cough into the tube it could cause the water to blow into the bowl and heater. Problem solved for all the skeptics that are worried about the water in the Hydratubes.

SM55: One quick question for you, what means of temperature control does the Cloud employ? Rheostat, electromechanical, Bi Metal, etc.?

@jasonjohnson - most, if not all your questions, have been answered and discussed ad naseum in this thread.

I'm a relative newcomer here too but take the time to read through it, a lot of interesting things being discussed. That way we can leave SM55 to work in peace so he can get this bad boy shipped!

hey monkey...that silve screw drives me nuts! I assume the final unit will look different?

2 questions SM.

1. What is actually HOT and cannot be touch on the unit? Is it Supreme hot (as in touch for more then 0.1sec and you're fucked) or more uncomfortably warm or warm to touch?

2. Since you said there will be a standard 12 o clock position... are you implying that every cloud HE wil produce the same heat given the same position (ignoring how strong the inhale is?)... sort of like a Volcano knob compared to whip knobs (which are random and variable).

Q&A Time - you guys are keeping me busy

1) When using the Cloud with a bong (upside down, correct?), will you need to increase the temperature since the herb will be farther from the heat?

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No, you do not need to increase the temperature. There is actually a domed screen that goes on top of the bowl (like the Extreme) so you use the same bowl for the Cloud as you would with any glass water tool.

2) Is the plug modular? (I prefer that, but it's not a big deal.) Along the same lines, is it possible to have a 110/220 adapter, so you would not have to have different models? (I think the Extreme Tower is like that. I know that the Verdamper comes with a 110/220 adapter - I own one.)

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The plug is not modular

3) How hard is it to change the screens? That is my one of the drawbacks of the bowl that comes with the VHW (I don't have a Blazemaster bowl): it's too small and it can be a huge hassle getting the screen to sit right. The huge bowl for the Verdampger has a perfectly flat bottom with a really wide opening and a screen that's a snap to remove and put back.

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You might want to get a new VRIP bowl, mine is very easy to pop in and out. With that said, the screen will be easy to change on the Cloud bowl. Won't be any harder than changing a screen in a whip.

4) Any idea of the price for just the Cloud, no other glass included? (Sorry if this has been asked/answered.)

5) Is it possible to include a picture of the opposite side? I'm just curious how it opens to allow placement/removal of the bowl. And any pictures of the various bowls would also be greatly appreciated.

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No pricing is available for just the Cloud unit as of yet.

The other side is identical. If you look a few pages back, you will see a diagram of the Cloud. The enclosure in the picture is not a final enclosure so there will be a few tweaks with how the bowl fits. Just gimme a few more weeks and I'll post a video that shows everything.

Can you leave it on without burning down the house ?
will it turn off, or will it accumulate heat etc...

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With a heat up time of less than 2 minutes, I don't recommend leaving the Cloud on when it is not in use. I suggest this practice for all vapes except for PD style vapes myself.

HOw large is the footprint of the Device ?
I only ask because you said that it would support the hydratube, standing alone... adn i thougth about the big hydratube in the picture.

Will it support ANY hydratube ?
THat's why i asked about the footprint and the WEIGHT. if it's heavy enough, it wont matter how big the hydra-tubes are maybe ?
Will there be aftermarket hydratubes made by WHOEver, or it is like a private market for stoneglassworks adn sovereignty..?


HOw many products feature an all glass airpath for the vapor ?
is it just this and the wand ??

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The base unit will be able to support large or small HydraTubes. We will be coming out with a CloudStation which you can plug the Cloud into if you would like more stability. The CloudStation will also have stands that you can put your HydraTubes on so it can also double as a display. If you are careful with your toys, I don't think this accessory is absolutely necessary but if you are a stoner that get careless once medicated, it could be right up your alley. No idea how much this thing will cost but we decided to create it based on feedback in this thread.

Any artist can make HydraTubes but I assembled what I believe to be one of the best glass blowing teams on the planet. With the addition of Sovereignty to the team, I don't think we could've gotten anyone better as far as innovating new glass technology goes. Our goal was to combine high end vapor with high end glass and wrap it up in a high value package.

Mark of Vriptech is my mentor so it's no surprise that we both go for all glass vapor path delivery.

SM55: One quick question for you, what means of temperature control does the Cloud employ? Rheostat, electromechanical, Bi Metal, etc.?

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thermistor feedback with a PID loop

hey monkey...that silve screw drives me nuts! I assume the final unit will look different?

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I bought those screws but then again, I'm about as handy as Tim the Toolman Taylor. My engineer assured me that we will be using screws that don't ruin the aesthetics

1. What is actually HOT and cannot be touch on the unit? Is it Supreme hot (as in touch for more then 0.1sec and you're fucked) or more uncomfortably warm or warm to touch?

2. Since you said there will be a standard 12 o clock position... are you implying that every cloud HE wil produce the same heat given the same position (ignoring how strong the inhale is?)... sort of like a Volcano knob compared to whip knobs (which are random and variable).

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The base unit will stay warm to the touch, nothing will be scalding hot like the Supreme. I have a nice Supreme scar from taking a vape break at lunch today I wear it with pride

For your 2nd question, I find it funny that you ask this just because I think about other devices, for example an iPod. How weird would it be if volume 10 on one ipod was 100db, and volume 10 on another was 90db? The Cloud is designed the same way, same user experience from unit to unit.

Hope I caught all the questions, happy holidays everyone.

Got me a change jar saving up!

sm can you give me a ballpark estimate on how much a unworked pillar and a vx is gona be