Sticky Brick or E-nano/Underdog?

wiz4769 · May 15, 2017

Ok so I have been using my Vapcap M for just over a week now, until then I was strictly burning my herbs...I really like the high that I get vaping and like the M. But I already want something bigger for home use. I will for sure use the M for my portable and times that it fits the bill best. But the restrictive airflow is the big thing Im having trouble getting used to. I like to take big deep pulls and I do get big cloud hits on this thing. But having to milk shake it every single hit is making me want more free flowing hits.

Im seriously thinking about getting either a log or the Sticky Brick...Basically I tend to mainly medicate a couple hours before bed, so its for relaxing and sleeping....I want something that hits hard and will work fine for just me most the time, meaning can just put a small amount in take a couple or 3 big hits and be done. I might take a another hit or 2 if I feel the need an hour later. So I dont do sessions, Im an on demand kind of dude. So Im not worried about the wait time on the log as I can kick it on when I get home and wont use it for a couple hours. I might would try out some water pieces later, but really most the time would be just direct draw.

So which do you guys think would best fill my needs? I know both are good vapes, but with how I use them does one sound a tad better for me?

LazyVaper · May 15, 2017

I haven't used the Sticky Brick, but have only read positive comments.

However, I am a fan of log vapes, owning both the ENano and an Underdog. And I will almost certainly get a WoodScents at some point.

Your use case sounds very similar to my own. So I think you'd be happy with a log.

But, based again only on what I've read, the Sticky Brick would probably suit you (or me!) too.

I suspect in the end it comes down to personal preference more than anything.

One thing to note: Ed's Wood Scents log has a heater that is sized to allow you to use your Vapcaps as stems. You don't have to do this, but it makes a nice synergy of you already own a Vapcap.

I somewhat share your thoughts on the M. I had the logs first, then got an M recently. I like it, and I think it's tremendous value. But I will generally stick with my logs in the long run. But for travel, hiking, or anywhere I don't have an AC outlet, Dynavap it is!

I was initially turned off by the Sticky Brick due to the use of a torch lighter. Well, now that I have an M, I can't use that excuse anymore! But, again, my preference - if you have easy access to an AC outlet, I find electricity more convenient than butane.

If you have an opportunity to try both, I'd say that's your best bet. But I'm pretty sure you'd be well served with a long. But based strictly on hearsay, you'd probably be happy with a SB too!

flotntoke · May 16, 2017

I'd also say go with a log. nano is still king here at my place, and don't see it moving unless I can somehow afford one of Ed's amazing Wood Scents. They are gorgeous, and I'm sure worth every penny, but a nano is much cheaper even with exotic wood. I tried a UD years ago and preferred the nano. I also have a mini HI that I do really enjoy when I pull it out, but like the nano better than it, too.

It's not so much the butane that worries me about the sticky brick. I've used butane vapes for years. It's the inhaling the butane I'm worried about. Most, if not all (depending on who you ask) of any impurities are burned off with a jet torch lighter. But, I prefer to use the butane flame - then hit - as you do with VapCaps or the VapMan.

Chingas · May 16, 2017

I have all three. This sounds like a job for Sticky Brick, I use the Hydromaxx. Two X's, not one. Trust me on this. The 1 X Hydromaxx is not for your mouth. :uhoh:

The VapCap lineup is tailor made for and rocks nuts with a small load size which is something that log vapes excel at as well. You already have that. You want a couplethree 'big' hits with maybe 1 or 2 a little later? Hello Sticky Brick! I find the bricks perform better with fat bowls. Depending on your torch-fu and definition of big hits a full load could mean more than 1 night of getting the hits you sound like you're after.

With a big enough load to get 3-5ish big hits out of either the log or brick you are going to get your best results by stirring the load. It is much easier to stir the load in the brick. With a log you are confined by the tall, narrow stem which makes it tough to stir effectively. You'd be better off dumping it out, mixing and reloading. No need for that in the brick. It is pretty wide open and does a better job of containing little bits that want to run away and find themselves.

The logs with their glass stems are very easy to clean and have great flavor from the start. There is a woody flavor to the bricks that takes some time to fade or so I'm told. My brick hasn't quite gotten there yet, i chose walnut and bought it for 4/20. Supposedly the cherry wood is milder. The woodiness is a nice flavor though and pairs up nicely with eathy/piney tasting goodies. Fruity/gassy tastes are cleaner through a glass stem.

They are both great vapes and both do a primo job (depending on your torch skills) at extraction. Logs with their set and forget temperature controls are more consistent while the bricks are more of a rollercoaster ride that depends on you. You can self titrate your dosage easier with a log while a brick can get you stoned in a hurry.

You'll be happy with either choice but I have found through my own usage of these 3 vapes that logs and caps are kind of redundant. The brick offers more versatility when paired with a cap. :2c:

little maggie · May 16, 2017

Just wondering why the enano out of the several other vapes available: underdog, hi, woodscent? I have all of them and they are all equally good. The advantage of the underdog is that it comes with several stems included as opposed to the enano. The Hi and toasty-top have a great selection of different stems which work with several other vapes including several portables. But if you like the vapcap it seems like you would like the woodscent since it uses the vapcap as a stem. All of the logs are good for microdosing.
I don't have the stickybrick but I have an earlier version of it which I rarely use. Given your description of what you want I actually suggest you check out the tubo which is for sale even though it's still in the upcoming portable section. It is powerful and is great for using whenever you want and for microdosing. A session mode has been added although I haven't tried that. It's great on-demand A great one person vape and you can set the temp because it's regulated. However it uses batteries and there may be a reason you chose butane and plug in.

damm · May 16, 2017

You have my vote for the Hydramaxx from Sticky Brick.

Cons: It's butane; so if your expecting to empty 4 bows out of your Hydramaxx (and I just did) you'll need 2 lighters as they get hot and a little patience to let them cool.

But seriously; if you need something that can take a single bowl and make you go wow that's amazing. This is the ticket.

Get some decent lighters (storch or zico or vapman lighters) work just perfect. If you mix in the kief you can go further

You can get away with Dry vaping or not; something that will help your medication. If you love the flavor and the terps are part of what makes you go .... then yeah you can grab the adapter and the 14mm banger and even dab with it

dry dabs are ... amazing

P.S. I own an Underdog; the main con I find about logs is finding the sweet spot on the dial to set. As draw speed and voltage count are a key factor in how much vapor you produce it's a little finicky for me. But they are not bad; having to leave it plugged in to have it always available seems :/ I have cats though; so my worry always was they would catch the cord with their tail and drag it around and ..

Never happened; but I also put my Auber RDK-300 up and wrap the coil up so their tails can't catch it either... Just the thought of a hot or cold piece that could drag glass and break and .. poor kitties

DirtyD · May 16, 2017

I get the whole idea about how sticky brick works. I think ..( only from you tube vids). So... Looks like to hit it you gotta full on suck the torch lighter flame/exhaust. I know it's more subtle technique involved etc. Everyone raves about the flavor and huge rips. I like flavor and huge rips too... Looks like you have to inhale too much lighter gas tho. Never used one, looks like a hoot, kinda want one for the arsenal...but aren't you inhaling at least a good bit of butane exhaust?

damm · May 16, 2017

DirtyD said:
I get the whole idea about how sticky brick works. I think ..( only from you tube vids). So... Looks like to hit it you gotta full on suck the torch lighter flame/exhaust. I know it's more subtle technique involved etc. Everyone raves about the flavor and huge rips. I like flavor and huge rips too... Looks like you have to inhale too much lighter gas tho. Never used one, looks like a hoot, kinda want one for the arsenal...but aren't you inhaling at least a good bit of butane exhaust?

You don't inhale gas. If you want to get technical you end up getting water; but really no with good butane you don't get anything. Bad butane you are going to get contaminates instead of gas.

Unless your torch forgets to ignite.

Lastly I do great with 7x and higher Butane; no gas inhaled. Works great; no change to flavor.

That is so silly thought; inhaling butane... that's about as good as PG turning into Formaldehyde

DirtyD · May 16, 2017

damm said:
You don't inhale gas. If you want to get technical you end up getting water; but really no with good butane you don't get anything. Bad butane you are going to get contaminates instead of gas.

Unless your torch forgets to ignite.

Lastly I do great with 7x and higher Butane; no gas inhaled. Works great; no change to flavor.

That is so silly thought; inhaling butane... that's about as good as PG turning into Formaldehyde

Thanks. Been curious about the SB line. What a cool set up. Need to get off my ass and get a Jr. Intrigued by the heating method/operation... Yet another distinct 'hit' or 'vape signature I'd imagine. Thank you and cheers, D

seaofgreens · May 16, 2017

Well, though I love my Daisy, no torch burns 100% clean, and you have to accept that some tiny amounts will remain in the airpath.

As I have also mentioned in other threads, it is at least way better than holding a bic lighter over a bowl and inhaling.

On topic, if I could, would get a woodscents just for the vapcap compatibility, which would be an awesome synergy.

Melting Pot · May 16, 2017

Buy em all. Lol
Can't go wrong with a log. If your a thinker/tinker make your own daisy/SB.
I use a nano stem screen pushed down around 4" from top insert into gb 187 hover torch all glass. Bam
Stems from either work need the thick wall stems from ud with a piece of tubing.
So my vote get a log and a gb or fc 187 and make the other have fun stay high

wiz4769 · May 16, 2017

little maggie said:
Just wondering why the enano out of the several other vapes available: underdog, hi, woodscent? I have all of them and they are all equally good. The advantage of the underdog is that it comes with several stems included as opposed to the enano. The Hi and toasty-top have a great selection of different stems which work with several other vapes including several portables. But if you like the vapcap it seems like you would like the woodscent since it uses the vapcap as a stem. All of the logs are good for microdosing.
I don't have the stickybrick but I have an earlier version of it which I rarely use. Given your description of what you want I actually suggest you check out the tubo which is for sale even though it's still in the upcoming portable section. It is powerful and is great for using whenever you want and for microdosing. A session mode has been added although I haven't tried that. It's great on-demand A great one person vape and you can set the temp because it's regulated. However it uses batteries and there may be a reason you chose butane and plug in.

Great ...I knew it would not take long for one of you to put another choice in front of me...I had not heard of the Tubo, now after a bit of looking around I see its like the Milaana and FW. I have no objections to using batteries , but most that take batteries are just not powerful enough at least in my mind for what I am wanting or if they do as there are only a couple, they cost too much at this point. I have to say the Tubo interests me, how does one go about getting in line to purchase one of these?

Otherwise the Sticky Brick is kind of leading the race in my view.

Melting Pot · May 16, 2017

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damm · May 16, 2017

seaofgreens said:
Well, though I love my Daisy, no torch burns 100% clean, and you have to accept that some tiny amounts will remain in the airpath.

If you have unburned gas; then you should clean your torch. There is regular maintenance required so if things are not working they way you expect; it doesn't light all the time. Sometimes you get a larger flame than others. If you really think about your statement there's just really no way to take a flammable gas; ignite it and say oh yeah there's about 1-2% unburned butane left.

I mean it's flammable; and not just lightly it's pretty good at it's job. If the Butane is processed properly and you are dealing with real good butane; you should never have this happen.

As I have also mentioned in other threads, it is at least way better than holding a bic lighter over a bowl and inhaling.

Bic lighter isn't just Butane; it's ISO Butane... So yes you are getting high from it; is it the ISO or the Tane? who cares really this statement is silly. Sure there's hardcode tokers who love their bic but if your going for a convection vaporization ... it just seems the wrong direction

little maggie · May 16, 2017

wiz4769 said:
Great ...I knew it would not take long for one of you to put another choice in front of me...I had not heard of the Tubo, now after a bit of looking around I see its like the Milaana and FW. I have no objections to using batteries , but most that take batteries are just not powerful enough at least in my mind for what I am wanting or if they do as there are only a couple, they cost too much at this point. I have to say the Tubo interests me, how does one go about getting in line to purchase one of these?

Otherwise the Sticky Brick is kind of leading the race in my view.

I think that those who've used the tubo have reported that it's pretty powerful but you can ask on the thread. There really isn't a long wait for one- you just need to pm funkyjunky. You can set the temp on this unlike the others like it which helps control the power. It's more like the Zion than the others you mentioned.
Someone mentioned the Supreme - I've heard that those who own it find it more powerful than most portables. I actually have one I've never used- I'm ok with lighters but am intimidated by large torches.

duff · May 16, 2017

@wiz4769 I have the SBJ and the Tubo and they are both beasts.

IMO the SBJ is the most delicious vape I've ever used. It does add some wood notes to the flavor, but it is distinctive and delicious.

The Tubo couldn't be easier to use while the SB line requires a bit of technique.

Both are solid choices.

seaofgreens · May 16, 2017

@damm

Not physically possible to achieve exactly 100% burn rate. You will always have some small infinitesimal fraction that does not reach combustion before being emitted through the nozzle. Has nothing to do with my torches.

I was also merely comparing the common practice of a bic lighter over a bowl of weed vs. the minute possibility of inhaling a particle or two with a butane torch... Not sure why you are trying to bend me over a barrel? The difference is just the practice of each, not the similarity or lack thereof of gas being used... I have nothing wrong with torch use in the vapor path either, fwiw, just pointing out it isn't as completely safe as you are trying to imply.

And how for that matter is it a silly statement?

The SBJ/Daisy is a direct comparison to whipping out your Sherlock or spoon pipe, loading a bowl, and ripping it down. What do you think 90% of pot consumers are going to whip out with their Sherlock or spoon pipe? A Bic lighter probably, or something similar, and then they will hold it right over the top of the bowl, light it and inhale...

So what part of that is a "silly" comparison to the Daisy/SBJ experience? All that is different is that you are using a vaporizer analogue.

damm · May 16, 2017

seaofgreens said:
@damm

Not physically possible to achieve exactly 100% burn rate. You will always have some small infinitesimal fraction that does not reach combustion before being emitted through the nozzle. Has nothing to do with my torches.

Do you have any reference material on this? I say that because then heavy users could see potential problems and having set propane fires as a kid (by accident) and had my fun with butane... (I love fire, what can I say?) my experience is that the gas (unburned) usually lays low to the ground and if you collect enough of it on the ground pretty much anything electrical should set it off.

... I own a few space heaters; so if this was true I should have seen a few sparks or .. (i'm a heavy user, I emptied a full vapman lighter in 2 days)

I was also merely comparing the common practice of a bic lighter over a bowl of weed vs. the minute possibility of inhaling a particle or two with a butane torch... Not sure why you are trying to bend me over a barrel? The difference is just the practice of each, not the similarity or lack thereof of gas being used... I have nothing wrong with torch use in the vapor path either, fwiw, just pointing out it isn't as completely safe as you are trying to imply.

That's a fairly false and inaccurate comparison. Sure you can find spoons with a carb cap; but a bic lighter isn't the same thing as what I am using. Cleaner Butane (yeah you can find butane with lubricants... I avoid those that say it on the label) and there's a fresh air intake on the intake block. So your mixing fresh air with the heated air.

The flame does not touch your bowl; you are heating the air and mixing fresh air creating heated air for convection.

The SBJ/Daisy is a direct comparison to whipping out your Sherlock or spoon pipe, loading a bowl, and ripping it down. What do you think 90% of pot consumers are going to whip out with their Sherlock or spoon pipe? A Bic lighter probably, or something similar, and then they will hold it right over the top of the bowl, light it and inhale...

The Daisy isn't the same as the SBJ. They may be similar but they are not the same; so its better to not go there unless you have used both devices. (I know I haven't) looking over the pictures I can see a few small differences that could change the end result.

It's a vaporizer; it's not a smoking device. No combustion required for normal operation

Edited: added a picture to see if that helps explain it's usage and how it's not the Daisy.

Your flame doesn't exit the intake there on top; there's a side intake... then the carb cap on the bottom... i keep mine in the glass vial

seaofgreens · May 16, 2017

Have you ever held the torch over the intake then click it? What about let off the torch while it is still over the intake? Would you say that there is no possibility of gas entering the intake during a thousandth or millionth of a second while you are also inhaling? There is also that miniscule amount of unspent residue in all of the 7x+ refined butanes you can buy, none burn 100% absolutely clean, this isn't a secret. I'm not saying it is a big deal per say, or something to worry about, but it exists.

Don't really know how to be more direct about the other part of my post.... I was/am only comparing the idea of how the Daisy works. I won't bring up the sticky brick, even though for my example, it doesn't matter what you are talking about.... But in the Daisy, just the idea that the torch creates instant vapor, which is analogous (this means similar to, not the same thing) to smoking in the sense that the feel of the experience/motions you go through are a mimic to the pipe and lighter experience...

Why you are interpreting this to have something to do with butane purity and carbs and design differences is beyond me... and doesn't fit with that part of the discussion as it has no bearing?

damm · May 16, 2017

seaofgreens said:
Have you ever held the torch over the intake then click it? What about let off the torch while it is still over the intake? Would you say that there is no possibility of gas entering the intake during a thousandth or millionth of a second while you are also inhaling? There is also that miniscule amount of unspent residue in all of the 7x+ refined butanes you can buy, none burn 100% absolutely clean, this isn't a secret. I'm not saying it is a big deal per say, or something to worry about, but it exists.

I don't hold the torch over the intake and ignite it. I always ignite it and then move it into position; as I want to know how long the flame is so I position it right. (I have 2; that are set differently so this works for me)

Speaking of unburnt gas; that's also why sometimes you can have a larger flame (or flameout) if you have too much unspent gas and you ignite it ... Generally speaking from my experience when I had unburned tane just igniting it would burn up the gas nearby. It makes sense; take some gasoline and drip it in a line and then ignite it... it'll follow

No major secret; known a few people almost hurt themselves that way.

Now I would agree with lubricants and other things being unburned that can exit the nozzle... but that's not Butane

wiz4769 · May 17, 2017

Talk about a thread killer, heh....

I have to say the Tubo is looking interesting, I like the Zion too, but not sure I want to drop that much just now for it when you can possibly get one of the other similar ones for a bit cheaper.Im the type I doubt I buy 5 different vapes, hell I still use a pipe I have had for 20yrs....But 2 or possibly 3 is not that unheard of.

paytonpenn · May 17, 2017

Have you seen the Lithe, its obviously not the Supreme's heater design but I think of it as a mini Supreme.

Here is a shot I took with dry herb. ABV is at the end I got 2 more thick rips after the video.

Morty · Jun 20, 2017

@paytonpenn Nice video. Love your choice of tv show in the background. Fuck Lil' Bits! I ain't eatin' there. :rofl:

Your mini Supreme comment caught my eye (& accompanying video). Just got one & lovin' it. Definitely gonna give the Lithe a look see.

jane621 · Jun 21, 2017

Chingas said:
I have all three. This sounds like a job for Sticky Brick, I use the Hydromaxx. Two X's, not one. Trust me on this. The 1 X Hydromaxx is not for your mouth.

The VapCap lineup is tailor made for and rocks nuts with a small load size which is something that log vapes excel at as well. You already have that. You want a couplethree 'big' hits with maybe 1 or 2 a little later? Hello Sticky Brick! I find the bricks perform better with fat bowls. Depending on your torch-fu and definition of big hits a full load could mean more than 1 night of getting the hits you sound like you're after.

With a big enough load to get 3-5ish big hits out of either the log or brick you are going to get your best results by stirring the load. It is much easier to stir the load in the brick. With a log you are confined by the tall, narrow stem which makes it tough to stir effectively. You'd be better off dumping it out, mixing and reloading. No need for that in the brick. It is pretty wide open and does a better job of containing little bits that want to run away and find themselves.

The logs with their glass stems are very easy to clean and have great flavor from the start. There is a woody flavor to the bricks that takes some time to fade or so I'm told. My brick hasn't quite gotten there yet, i chose walnut and bought it for 4/20. Supposedly the cherry wood is milder. The woodiness is a nice flavor though and pairs up nicely with eathy/piney tasting goodies. Fruity/gassy tastes are cleaner through a glass stem.

They are both great vapes and both do a primo job (depending on your torch skills) at extraction. Logs with their set and forget temperature controls are more consistent while the bricks are more of a rollercoaster ride that depends on you. You can self titrate your dosage easier with a log while a brick can get you stoned in a hurry.

You'll be happy with either choice but I have found through my own usage of these 3 vapes that logs and caps are kind of redundant. The brick offers more versatility when paired with a cap.

Very helpful, thanks a lot!

Baron23 · Jun 21, 2017

wiz4769 said:
Basically I tend to mainly medicate a couple hours before bed, so its for relaxing and sleeping

For this use case, almost exactly as my own....go with an Enano and don't look back.

I have used a SB Jr and Hydro and liked them. Interesting device, can definitely combust, and for the use case you outlined...day after day, year after year....the rock solid reliability, consistency, and versitility of an Enano (or most other log vapes) is almost without peer IMO.

I often leave my Enano on at night as I often wake with pain at 2-3 am and pop down for a quick small bowl.

I can run my nano very well with as little as .03 g or up to about .1 g (I think with adjustable bowl stems you can set the screen even deeper for larger loads but I really never load any vape more than about .15 g).

E-nano is super easy to clean...just ISO down the stem or gong and screen in ISO bath. Easy peasy.

I did like the SB....particularly the Jr. But almost more as a novelty rather than a daily driver. For daily driving, hard to beat a log.

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