Discontinued MistVape Touch

Thanks. I think I mean that the MVT is harsher to me than the other on demand vapes including the MI which is also unregulated. I did try it with water. Much better for me,

here is a tip for those who are using when water. just press the button and wait until you see the beginning of a cloud inside your bubbler, then let off button and keep inhaling to Chase the vapour. it really seems to extract better with water than dry but you do loose a bit of flavor.

little maggie said:

Thanks. I think I mean that the MVT is harsher to me than the other on demand vapes including the MI which is also unregulated. I did try it with water. Much better for me,

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Yeah, again I think that is related to the unregulated nature and technique as each unit is similar yet unique. Also they are all handmade, so especially for the unregulated Milaana and Touch there slight variables unit to unit as well as rolling improvements.

You do have a new Touch so I would say maybe hold the trigger less is all, maybe use two screens to help lower hear even further, and/or get some long stems too? I think you'll get it with practice, remember my style is focus on using just one new vape so you can learn it properly before going back to others. I do know how tough that is when you have two or three new ones that arrive at once though...

I'd suggest try to keep using it dry and you should learn better control for nice smooth hits. I can do this better with my new Touch vs my old rough V1 Milaana though it took practice for sure. I actually don't use either through water much at all since it's hard to avoid a little char, while the regulated units do it much better in my experience (though I don't use water too often these days, but Tubo may have me doing it more now judging by it's performance there)

I tried dry using 2 screens and the tubo whip. Other than water, what have others found helpful for regulating?" I never had problems with the milaana but I know some have offered suggestions for regulating the milaana. The mistvape seems very different to me for some reason.
It's also true that I always feel overwhelmed by new vapes and they seem very complicated for the first few days. And then they become easy- with a few exceptions of ones I never mastered. The MVT is already easier than it seemed the first time I tried it.

@scion34 here is how I trimmed up the stock stir tool

Just sanded some off each side and a little off the top. Looks like the ones I make but more consistent. What do you think?

mistvaporizer said:

@scion34 here is how I trimmed up the stock stir tool

Just sanded some off each side and a little off the top. Looks like the ones I make but more consistent. What do you think?

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Seems serviceable!

mistvaporizer said:

@scion34 here is how I trimmed up the stock stir tool

Just sanded some off each side and a little off the top. Looks like the ones I make but more consistent. What do you think?

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I think it needs a bit of a point at the end to make it easier to fish out the upper screen.

Loving the whip attachment I bought from @Alan a while back. Basically an indestructible whip with two silicone sides for the mouthpiece and the bowl.


https://imgur.com/SPfvCQ3

@Little Bill I'll try fishing out some screens and see how it works. I think it is pointier than it looks in that view.

LOVING my MVT!!! Way over due to review since I've had it for a month or so, and have been using it nearly daily.

Sorry. 2 parter due to length of post. Hope not too much! Just trying to be thorough.

Some of my pros & cons are based on comparisons with the Mi. Mi has been one of my regularly used vapes for more than a year. Similarities between the two almost demand some comparison and will note some of this below. Will probably set up a thread elsewhere for more direct comparison, or maybe someone else will. Hopefully that will prosper without a bunch of BS that would cause it to be shutdown. We'll see!

Don't think I'm breaking any rules or high-jacking the thread in any way with this, but please let me know if others do and I will edit if I still can.

MVT Pros IMO -

• Smaller load with 14mm GonG. I've gone to using my screen "bonnet" style instead of "basket" style (screen sides away from heater instead of having around load as shipped). This allows for a bit more material to be used without having a deeper load that requires stirring.
• Very sensitive heat control allows for exactly the temp and type of extraction I want on demand after a little practice. Very nice for different situations or strains!
  
• Love the "window" and ability to adjust airflow easily by covering one or both sides partially or entirely.
• It's a cooler looking piece than others IMO.
  
• Shut off switch is good to have.
• Battery door is genius!
• Had to adjust my technique, but like the recessed black button.

MVT Cons IMO -

• Less airflow with smaller 14mm GonG.
• Longer time to heat - not as robust of heat transfer. Tho this ends up being a good thing IMO more than a bad thing. See sensitive heat control in Pros above.
• Seems to go through batteries faster. Probably due to longer heat up time.

MVT Quibbles IMO - Some could be Cons, but I see them as finer points that are easily remedied and could easily be corrected by @mistvaporizer or are just points to keep in mind -

• Squared sides aren't quite as comfortable in hand as Mi or other portables. Mine kind of digs in on my thumb tendon when using in what seems best position. I plan to sand down a notch on one side next to window to reduce or eliminate this and hopefully allow for easier airflow adjustment from thumb. For now, putting my thumb on small side opposite the button makes for more comfort, but no easy airflow blockage on that side.
• Not much tactile feedback from button. Takes a bit to get used to barely touching it instead of having to really push on it. Not a bad thing, as much as added learning curve.
  
• Battery door sticks out a little when in safe mode. Seems like I could push the spring loaded copper ball down with something and slide it all the way on, but haven't in fear of breaking something. It works great and has never fallen off when flipped to safe mode. And, feel less need to do this often with recessed button.
• I've been using the o-ring mod as suggested by @Vape Dr. . Works great!! See below for proper o-ring size.
• Floppy battery was making me crazy. Hated how it would clunk around in there. Easy fix below.
  
• Wind seems to have much more of an impact on load because of the way air intake is at windows. Worst was while kite flying at the beach, and not too hard to adjust technique for it. But, something to keep in mind as this depletes battery even faster.
• Batteries seem to need to be charged sooner. Can't drain as far as Mi and still get good hits (3.75 or so compared to 3.6 and lower). Another trade off that seems to be due to finer heat control - and I'll gladly deal with this if this is what it takes to have it.
• Screens could be better formed to allow easier insertion in "bonnet" instead of "basket" configuration. Whatever.. screens will be screens and I've gotten pretty good at re-shaping them over the years.

PART 2

Have been using the MVT daily for about a month. It is just a little larger than I was expecting, but still "pocketable" for most of us. Can easily carry it in a small-ish bag that includes small stir tool, extra batt, and a small vial or 2 of pre-ground in jacket or cargo pocket. Or, carry just the MVT in front jeans pocket.

What I like most about it is the ability to regulate heat to a finer degree than anything else I've used. This allows me to get nearly the vapor quality I enjoy at home from my nano, and to adjust as I feel like based on situation or strain without having to touch a dial. Takes some practice to really dial it in, and am still getting better at it with every use. Really like the fact that feathering the button has so much affect on the hit!

Think mine was the first in the wild with the latest heater screen. Can't really compare to previous screen, but can say I have had absolutely no issues with mine. I haven't fucked with it at all, and would rather not. Glad none of that has been necessary.

The button really threw me off for a bit. You're pushing it, but it doesn't depress too much, so not sure if heating or not. I adjusted to this pretty easily, but something to be aware of - especially if you're familiar with Mi. I like that it is recessed, black and rubber (silicone?) covered very much. Looks cooler, and feels better in use once you get used to it. Also, much less likely to be depressed when you don't want it to (like in a bag or your pocket).

I try to keep my loads pretty small for better convection and no need to stir for full extraction. They are about as deep as they would be in "basket" config and edge of screen at edge of GonG. I twist about 1/4 turn between hits and without stirring can usually go to damned near coffee brown ABV with no hot-spots or black flecks.

If I want to go a bit deeper to hold more material, it's easy to push the screen down and double, or almost triple the space. But, can't get as much extraction without taking things a little darker than I like unless I stir. I usually use a digger to dump half roasted load into hand, mix or crush as needed, and suck it back up into stem. Works well when I want more than regular sized load and not carrying one of my little stash jars of pre-ground. Always good to carry a stir tool/digger that is long enough to push screen from either end of stem, and like that it doesn't have to be too long for MVT.

MVT has done well for me using ground material or tiny little nugs. I tend to like ground better for full extraction without stirring. If using little nugs, I always dump and at least finger grind before sucking it back up into stem for another hit or two. Have used pretty much the same technique for years with most of my portables, and works with MVT at least as well as with any other.

Three tweaks I think are worthwhile:

Add an o-ring to your stem! I took mine into Lowe's and tried a few to find what seems like the perfect fit. They are a #9 O-Ring size (5/8 OD x 7/16 ID x 3/32"). Give them a quick wash with ISO and hot water if you get cheap ones like I did. I didn't at first and left a little black line where it grips wood. No big. It came off easily and hasn't happened again with cleaned O-rings.

Battery clunking around in there bother you? I made a sleeve with a piece of cardboard from a thin cracker box. Cut it short (about 2/3 depth) so as not to interfere with any battery connections at bottom. Works great! No more clunking and battery comes out with just a few quick shakes of MVT. Have had this in for more than 2 weeks and many battery swaps. The cardboard hasn't moved at all, yet.

Haven't had a chance to sit down and do it yet, but am going to try to put a thumb notch on one corner (left side near window if looking at port side opposite button). Think this will make it much more comfortable to hold (right handed) and allow for easier thumb reach to cover window for tighter airflow. May also round all corners a bit if I can get to my buddy's belt sander before I refinish. Other than the need for a thumb notch (that I think about every time I use it!), I'd rather more rounded corners. Some for easier handling, but some for aesthetics. But, all good for me as is - other than thumb notch. Will post a pic when I finally do this.

I had initially requested snakewood trim and thought I was waiting to order for this. When I did order, I was told all customs were gone and no real idea if or when they would be available again. Must admit at first I wasn't happy about this. But, I get it. Dave is just starting out and trying to do all he can for everyone. In the end, it doesn't matter to me at all, and think I am happier with my stock wood. Would be much more nervous to do the thumb mod with nicer wood involved (and pieces applied) and am VERY HAPPY with my MVT for price paid. Not sure how much, but custom wood would probably be at higher price.

As mentioned by others here and elsewhere, the heat isn't as "robust" as the Mi. Sometimes this is a small issue if I'm in a hurry, but usually I can get nearly the same performance with a little more time and some effective button feathering. There is no way to get the same heavy airflow as you can from an 18mm GonG, but I like MVT airflow a bit better. It does seem to open up just a bit when using screen "bonnet" instead of "basket", and often prefer to use 14mm on the Mi anyway. Though when going like that you have a reducer to keep track of, too. And, glass on there doesn't seem to hold together as well with reducer included.

@DDave makes a little vapor cooler that he markets for the Mi and VapCap. It comes with different additional pieces for different vapes, but is 14mm female. I really like it with a 14mm male to 14mm male adapter (I use one that came with DDave Micro Mod Kit V2 for Mi) and is AWESOME! I just put a screen in the end of the adapter and use it instead of a stock stem. Fun at home, and can just flip MVT upside down and drop on to any 14mm female bubbler with M>M adapter. But, the little vapor cooler is small and usually won't leak the little bit of water I like to put in it. I carry it in a little velour bag I had lying around. It makes my MVT look a little bit less like an e-cig mod when on, but DAMN!! Water tamed hits on the go are DIVINE! I had done similar with my Mi on occasion, but all seems to pair much more nicely with MVT. If you find your dry vapor is a bit rough on the throat or lungs, I strongly suggest you pick this kit up!!

It's a close race, with trade-offs here and there, but I think I've had my MVT long enough to get over the "honeymoon" phase I have with any new vape. I prefer it to the Mi for reasons above, and probably a few more. I can see where some may prefer the Mi, but for me the MVT suits my needs and usage better. YMMV. And, not like I'm getting rid of my Mi. I still use it on occasion, but has definitely taken a back seat to the MVT and don't see that changing anytime soon.

Great vape, Dave!!!! Excellent work!!! Kudos to you, kind sir!!!

One question I do have that I haven't been able to figure out here on the thread. Should I be heating until I see the heater glow red if in a darker room? I usually don't heat mine to that level as it takes about 11 seconds to even start to glow - 13 or so to get red hot. I usually hold for about 6 or 7 seconds before first hit. Is this normal with the later "cooler" models? Or, should I be heating longer? Should it start to glow sooner?

...for concentrates I let that real red glow...for about 3 seconds...take the hit...while letting button depress...
..for herb I don't let it really glow...unless battery is weak.

Great synopsis @flotntoke. Thanks for the thoroughly detailed write-up.

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Battery door sticks out a little when in safe mode. Seems like I could push the spring loaded copper ball down with something and slide it all the way on, but haven't in fear of breaking something. It works great and has never fallen off when flipped to safe mode. And, feel less need to do this often with recessed button.

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So you're saying when the kill switch is in the off position it applies pressure on the battery door? I haven't had that problem with mine.

flotntoke said:

One question I do have that I haven't been able to figure out here on the thread. Should I be heating until I see the heater glow red if in a darker room? I usually don't heat mine to that level as it takes about 11 seconds to even start to glow - 13 or so to get red hot. I usually hold for about 6 or 7 seconds before first hit. Is this normal with the later "cooler" models? Or, should I be heating longer? Should it start to glow sooner?

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My coil starts to glow in about 7 or 8 seconds with a fresh battery. The latest batch should take a couple of more seconds. Preheating isn't necessary, but it does help vapor response time IME. I preheat for about 10 seconds, let it cool for a few, then give it about 3-5 seconds before I inhale. I usually do a couple of stems back to back cause once that glass gets heated up the MVT can put out some lungbusters

I always let it glow. I'm using a longer piece of silicone, so no fear of combustion.

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@little maggie the killswitch is the little 'on/off' switch.

I find same results as @little maggie as well. It's like my MVT is not as "tame" compared to my Mi or something. I haven't tried through water as I still am struggling to get consistent results dry.

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@muunch I know there are sometimes slight differences between units, but I'm sure Dave tests each one before despatch so I don't think any big differences would've gone unnoticed.

What seems to consistently work for me is a 4-6 second preheat ( depending on battery freshness, eg. 4 secs for fresh battery .) off button for 2 seconds then a slow inhale with button pressed until I feel heat in my throat (which I take for vapor.) I come off button and continue to inhale for as long as you can. Sometimes I keep inhaling for about 10 or more seconds , as long as I still feel/sense heat in the draw. Hopefully this will reward you with good vapor production.

I don't suggest how long you inhale for as everyone's speed varies so you may feel the heat in your throat sooner or later than others. Other than than that just keep trying , you'll get there and will be rewarded. I have the odd day when I struggle for a second but as I said it's usually because I'm not consciously thinking about what I'm doing. Or I'm trying to vape ABV that looks like it has something left but doesn't really, ( Am usually medicated by then tho ) sometimes I'll forget exactly what I was doing with the MVT, but once I focus I usually get very good results. So the poor results are usually down to me.

I love on demand convection, it's so nice being able to take a quick hit before you leave if not taking the vape with you. just means you can pull two fat clouds in 30 seconds. then go. No waiting no warm up. Then finish the stem when you get back.

FreddieFresh said:

Great synopsis @flotntoke. Thanks for the thoroughly detailed write-up.

So you're saying when the kill switch is in the off position it applies pressure on the battery door? I haven't had that problem with mine.

My coil starts to glow in about 7 or 8 seconds with a fresh battery. The latest batch should take a couple of more seconds. Preheating isn't necessary, but it does help vapor response time IME. I preheat for about 10 seconds, let it cool for a few, then give it about 3-5 seconds before I inhale. I usually do a couple of stems back to back cause once that glass gets heated up the MVT can put out some lungbusters

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Thanks for the response on heater glow, and thanks to you too, @turk !

NO. No problems with the kill switch at all! Truthfully, haven't felt the need to use it, yet. Turned it on when I got my MVT and has been on since. Sorry for not being clearer in my post above. When I flip the battery door (slide it in backwards so contact isn't made with it), it doesn't slide all the way back like when in contact for use. It stops at the spring loaded copper ball bearing, Looks like this is because there is no bevel on the other side to allow it to easily go over the ball bearing. I've thought about pushing the ball bearing down with something and forcing the battery lid fully in, but have decided it's not a good idea. Works fine as is, and battery door has never fallen off when reversed and not all the way on.

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I always let it glow. I'm using a longer piece of silicone, so no fear of combustion.

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Not sure what you mean. Longer piece of silicone? Between heater and load? Or, on end of MP to your mouth/water piece? Combustion is combustion no matter how far you stay away with it with silicone, right?

...I believe he's using a longer tube/stem...I use the short ones...and some I got from alan...

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NO. No problems with the kill switch at all! Truthfully, haven't felt the need to use it, yet. Turned it on when I got my MVT and has been on since. Sorry for not being clearer in my post above. When I flip the battery door (slide it in backwards so contact isn't made with it), it doesn't slide all the way back like when in contact for use. It stops at the spring loaded copper ball bearing, Looks like this is because there is no bevel on the other side to allow it to easily go over the ball bearing. I've thought about pushing the ball bearing down with something and forcing the battery lid fully in, but have decided it's not a good idea. Works fine as is, and battery door has never fallen off when reversed and not all the way on

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Ahh, I think I'm following you now lol. After @mistvaporizer added the killswitch he changed the door design so it can no longer be reversed.

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Ahh, I think I'm following you now lol. After @mistvaporizer added the killswitch he changed the door design so it can no longer be reversed.

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AHHHH. My mistake/confusion then. Thanks for clarifying!

FWIW, I flip the lid backwards if I'm worried about the button being pushed accidentally. Have only felt the need a couple times - that recessed button is awesome cool IMO, and leaves me less worried. But, flipping the batt lid gives me a little more piece of mind and works great. The little killswitch is cool, and I'm glad it's there. But, kind of feel like this may be the weak link in the system and am staying away from it for the most part. Don't have any idea if this is the true case or not - but sometimes I prefer my reality to the actual one!

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Thanks for the response on heater glow, and thanks to you too, @turk !

NO. No problems with the kill switch at all! Truthfully, haven't felt the need to use it, yet. Turned it on when I got my MVT and has been on since. Sorry for not being clearer in my post above. When I flip the battery door (slide it in backwards so contact isn't made with it), it doesn't slide all the way back like when in contact for use. It stops at the spring loaded copper ball bearing, Looks like this is because there is no bevel on the other side to allow it to easily go over the ball bearing. I've thought about pushing the ball bearing down with something and forcing the battery lid fully in, but have decided it's not a good idea. Works fine as is, and battery door has never fallen off when reversed and not all the way on.



Not sure what you mean. Longer piece of silicone? Between heater and load? Or, on end of MP to your mouth/water piece? Combustion is combustion no matter how far you stay away with it with silicone, right?

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@flotntoke Good review. With the battery door though, I thought as Dave has put the killswitch on there's no need to reverse the door. I just flip the little switch at the bottom , job done. Safe mode.

Can you elaborate on how you feather your Touch ? I think this would help me and others. With my Milaana I feather for two seconds on then off, repeating as required. What do you do with the MVT?

flotntoke said:

Thanks for the response on heater glow, and thanks to you too, @turk !

NO. No problems with the kill switch at all! Truthfully, haven't felt the need to use it, yet. Turned it on when I got my MVT and has been on since. Sorry for not being clearer in my post above. When I flip the battery door (slide it in backwards so contact isn't made with it), it doesn't slide all the way back like when in contact for use. It stops at the spring loaded copper ball bearing, Looks like this is because there is no bevel on the other side to allow it to easily go over the ball bearing. I've thought about pushing the ball bearing down with something and forcing the battery lid fully in, but have decided it's not a good idea. Works fine as is, and battery door has never fallen off when reversed and not all the way on.



Not sure what you mean. Longer piece of silicone? Between heater and load? Or, on end of MP to your mouth/water piece? Combustion is combustion no matter how far you stay away with it with silicone, right?

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I mean a longer distance from the heater to the load. My favorite setup. And the mouthpiece fits 14mm perfectly, so I pair with my little water piece.

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I mean a longer distance from the heater to the load. My favorite setup. And the mouthpiece fits 14mm perfectly, so I pair with my little water piece.

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Gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. Not going to work for me as I prefer to keep the silicone to a minimum and am not comfortable with it carrying my screen/load. Sometimes I'll "tube it" from bubbler to mouth when kicking back, and use silicone sleeves on some of my other glass, but that's about as far as I feel comfortable with it these days. I know many do and enjoy this, but my feeling is if I can taste ANYTHING I'm not happy with it. This has happened more than a few times with different set-ups on different vapes over the years, so try to stick with glass and stainless at critical points like this.

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soulfulrebel.MC said:

@flotntoke Good review. With the battery door though, I thought as Dave has put the killswitch on there's no need to reverse the door. I just flip the little switch at the bottom , job done. Safe mode.

Can you elaborate on how you feather your Touch ? I think this would help me and others. With my Milaana I feather for two seconds on then off, repeating as required. What do you do with the MVT?

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Missed your question earlier....

I haven't really counted seconds consistently while feathering. I've tried, but seems like a moving target for me. It is more of a "feel" thing.

I agree with what your saying on the Mi (and part of the reason why I think it may be better for some). Not to take anything away from you or other users, but MVT seems a bit more "refined" because the heater - while less intense - seems more responsive in both directions. I look at the Mi sort of like a 1 lb old school ball peen hammer, you hammer on shit and it goes in or bends. The MVT is more like an 8 oz specialty hammer. It takes a little more work to get it to do what the larger hammer will (tho it definitely will), but at the same time allows you to be a good bit more precise with more technique.

I assume the heater tech is a bit different, or maybe the MVT is just smaller/less intense. I'll leave specifics on that for Dave or Ryan (Mi), but can easily feel the difference in performance. What I mean is when I back off the heater on the Mi, it slowly loses heat. When I hit the button again it comes on strong almost instantly. With the MVT, when I back off it seems to cool considerably much more quickly, and when I hit the button again it climbs to temp allowing me to let go again before it gets too intense.

The MVT seems to take a bit more practice to get a good feel for, but that could be do to me having to un-learn my Mi technique. Whatever the case, I don't think it would be as easy for me to get here without much previous Mi experience (and honestly other vape experience - both plug in and portable). And, I should mention I also usually adjust my draw while feathering to get the most affect. So, it is a bit more involved than X seconds on button or off.

Don't get me wrong.... It's not that the MVT is a lesser vape in any way, or that it doesn't produce vapor as well as Mi (or anything else for that matter). Just that the increased responsiveness takes a little more practice to master. And, once mastered (or at least on the way there for me) it allows for much more variation and tighter control. This is surely the biggest reason I like the MVT better. Not just better than the Mi, but better than any other portable I've ever owned or tried. I see it as possibly being the holy grail of portable vapes I've been looking for for years now. For it to be that, my technique will have to continue to evolve, but I see that being a great possibility so far. I continue to work it a little better and get more promising results. This is part of the reason my review took so long for me to pull together and why it is so damned long.

Hope this analysis helps others in choosing what vape to get, and getting better with the MVT. It truly is a special vape, but like many things in life, takes a bit more technique and practice to get all you can out of it. FWIW, I suggest using it dry - and nearly exclusively - to make the most progress with your individual technique. And, try to put a few different strains through it to find what may work best for you in different situations. Or, try to get headier or heavier buzzes as you go. All of this has helped me work my technique.

Don't make yourself too crazy with it, though. As with any vape, you're going to be getting stoned as you go, and that can sometimes be a bit counterproductive. And, there are a few other vapes that will stay in the rotation no matter how good i get with this puppy!

The door on the Touch can be rotated for safety but the front corners aren't radiused as the back corners are so the door can't slide all the way in when rotated. Just how it is. Moving forward the kill switch will be an option, I never use mine but then I don't take mine out of the house. So when the option is in effect maybe I'll look at the door again, not sure.

Killswitch is huge for me. I may not *need it* but knowing it is there and I don't have to worry is VERY nice.

I have randomly checked on my Milaana when I left it in my car after I got myself somehow paranoid I didn't leave it in a safe position... I like the confidence the switch gives me, a lot.

@mistvaporizer I have an idea, but not sure how practical. Is there a way to shape the collar that you made to stop stirring problems into more of a funnel shape? That way it can also be used to fill MVT stems with medicine.

If you want to be fancy then you could rout a small bit off the bottom so it fits snugly on the stem and then build up and taper to make into a funnel that sits on the stem for easy filling.


Also, I mentioned an inexpensive glass supplier recently. The colored glass seems to be as thick as the Milaana stock stems.

The Clear Glass (unless you get from @mistvaporizer ) is very thin and not recommended by me.