TUBO evic/dual

Prolusio

Prolusio

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sickmanfraud said:
Another battery tip is do not store batteries fully charged.
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I remember seeing the chart below a while ago. Found here! Charge level has a large impact on Li-Ion battery life and performance. If a Li battery is stored @40% charge at a room-ish temperature for a year (25C); you can expect that battery to have 96% of its full capacity remaining.

If you had the same battery in the same conditions, but had charged it to 100% before storing for a year; it might only have 80% potential capacity remaining! That's a big difference.

It could be higher if kept in a cold location (0C), but I suspect like me most people don't have a cold place for battery storage.. Who wants to put batteries in the fridge? :p

By leaving a battery on the charger it effectively keeps that cell at peak charge while storing, which is the most stressful for a Li-Ion battery.

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mephisto

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Got my white on white tubo today. Inserted charged battery, placed small amount of herbage on upside down basket screen, pushed the button and wham!!!! No directions to read, no temp to fiddle with. Just press the fire button and start huffin'. Very open draw using ultra short 18mm stem, still not too hot to hit native. Great work @funkyjunky , the heat mass created by your heater bundle sends instant superheated air right through the herb . I do not find the need to stir, can't be bothered actually.....lifts pinky....No hot spot, great dark consistent baking across the whole surface of the load. On my way to order a second tubo specifically for water use with a 18mm x 18mm fitting, the profile sits on your favorite piece like Blade Runner vape gear. I feel inclined to offer 2 words simply to indicate the performance factor: zion killer.....
If you want it fast and hard, this is your rig. Other well designed convection vapes will provide perhaps a bit more ambiance.....get some knob action. This little monster will jump up and falcon punch you in the speedbag.
 
little maggie

little maggie

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Prolusio said:
I remember seeing the chart below a while ago. Found here! Charge level has a large impact on Li-Ion battery life and performance. If a Li battery is stored @40% charge at a room-ish temperature for a year (25C); you can expect that battery to have 96% of its full capacity remaining.

If you had the same battery in the same conditions, but had charged it to 100% before storing for a year; it might only have 80% potential capacity remaining! That's a big difference.

It could be higher if kept in a cold location (0C), but I suspect like me most people don't have a cold place for battery storage.. Who wants to put batteries in the fridge? :p

By leaving a battery on the charger it effectively keeps that cell at peak charge while storing, which is the most stressful for a Li-Ion battery.

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After using li batteries for several years I am now starting to worry about their danger. Anyway, given what you said, why would a brand new battery go from 100% charge to 0 after 2 days off the charger?
 
Prolusio

Prolusio

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little maggie said:
After using li batteries for several years I am now starting to worry about their danger. Anyway, given what you said, why would a brand new battery go from 100% charge to 0 after 2 days off the charger?
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I felt the same way when I first saw videos of them failing/heard of the safety recommendations.

A battery really shouldn't go from fully charged to 0% after a few days or even a few weeks; especially not a new one. When you say 100% to 0 the battery actually said 0%? Or just an unusably low %? Either way that's odd. Without seeing the cells or knowing exactly how they were used I can only speculate buttt

If you kept these batteries on the charger for a long period of time that could have worn them out if your charger is functioning as a parasitic load, or over compensating for natural self discharge of the battery. This would cause your batteries to go through constant mini cycles as they partially discharge then recharge. Some chargers are designed to avoid this but not all, depends on how your charger was built..

Another possibility is you could have over discharged the battery resulting in it no longer reliably holding a charge. This could be why it said 100% on the charger but not in your vape; it was never accepting charge which tricked the charger into thinking the battery was full. Li-Ion batteries can be damaged by being drained too much. I think it's pretty drastic, usually the 18650's stop performing well @~3.6V and I think you need to drain them below 2.5V to harm them.. This can damage the cell by forming copper shunts, basically internal shorts that stop the battery from holding a charge. Heat will make this happen faster. Is it possible you used a battery until it was completely totally dead in your Tubo? For best practise you shouldn't discharge them past ~20% I think it was. That website I linked before is a treasure trove of battery knowledge.

Or you just got fake batteries!? :shrug:

My charger seems to work ok, I typically keep my batteries on the charger while I'm using my Tubo! When a battery dies I swap for a fresh one; so they're not kept charging for too long/never left overnight. They're not unattended and never have gotten hot.. But they're still being kept on the charger at times. Works for me! Those storage recommendations are for if your priority is getting the most cycles out of a cell. My priority is convenient vaping, so I'm going to do what works best for me while being safe!
 
muunch

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
Sorry @Shit Snacks ... praying for you my friend :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

I was curious about the mouthpiece of the whip. is it acrylic?

I know a MFLB dart stem will probably fit but anyone know where to get a glass one? Think I'll start using mine... I can see pushing a piece of hemp fibre thru once it gets dirty, but I don't know what I'll use that's long enough to poke it through.

The tubo is the best example on-demand,convection device that newbies to vaping need to be shown in order to convert them I think. There really no technique and literally 0 draw restriction. I do still feel my temps are accurate and that my ABV reflects it. :rockon:
 
buckhakeesah

buckhakeesah

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The whip has a glass mouthpiece on the end. A little glass tube that gets fitted onto the end of the yarn wrapped silicone.
 
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RelaxedNow

RelaxedNow

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vapen00b said:
@Shit Snacks Oh man, a true bummer to see you're still waiting. I assume you don't have tracking..?
Hoping the best for you to receive it soon!!
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Yeah, that sucks. But, I don't think tracking would help. I paid for tracking, and when it hit the U.S. border, all tracking stopped. I'm signed up with USPS for automatic tracking of any package sent to my address, and still I heard nothing (maybe international packages fall through the cracks in the USPS tracking system??). The upside is that mine arrived after 12 days, and I've been enjoying it for weeks. :)

BTW, my current perception is that the intermittent heating failure is mostly happening after a freshly charged battery is installed. I'll be watching to see if this is true, though I'm not sure what I'll do about it if it is. Fortunately, it's now happening less often (Can batteries be "broken in"?), so I'm really able to enjoy the Tubo much more. I'm loving it dry at 410-420F most of the time. With the whip, it's cool even at those temps, and the clouds are massive. :tup:
 
justvapin

justvapin

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Yeah , the failure is totally hit and miss. I had a battery that failed every time one day last week, and now it works fine. No idea.

I am running the same temps dry, 410-420.......massive clouds is certainly an appropriate description.
 
little maggie

little maggie

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I know this is a double post but can't figure out how to add it to my previous one.
Given that the tubo is still in this section I wonder if the plan is to keep making this pretty small rather than trying to distribute more broadly. I hope this doesn't disappear the way the daisy would have if not cloned because I really like the tubo.
 
Shit Snacks

Shit Snacks

Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
little maggie said:
I know this is a double post but can't figure out how to add it to my previous one.
Given that the tubo is still in this section I wonder if the plan is to keep making this pretty small rather than trying to distribute more broadly. I hope this doesn't disappear the way the daisy would have if not cloned because I really like the tubo.
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It was discussed a little while ago, but funky would like to keep things modest for now so he is not overloaded with orders and too much to deal with, since it is still fairly early in the product's life cycle. No need for worries!
Except for me, anxious waiting for mine somewhere in the postage system lol
 
Abysmal Vapor

Abysmal Vapor

Supersniffer 2000 - robot fart detection device
PPN said:
I stayed away of the Tubo cause the strange design (personnal opinion here) but it looks like there is a consensus about how powerfull it is.... I'm considering one now....
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You wont regret,the tubo is a great vape. I like it how you get big clouds even at low temps,and it is smart enough to never overheat your herb,unless you dont want it to.Taste is one of the best i've ever had. I am using this one 100% of the time with water,i tried direct draw with bent stem once and it's ok,but nothing compared to using it trough the bubbler,have yet to try the beautiful whip thingie.
The only downside for me is that it uses a lot of battery life,you get 1-2 full bowl or 3-4 cap sessions of a fully charged,anyway i got 3 batteries in rotation(2 always charging,when the other one is in use) and it is enough for me and my gf to get trough the day..Cap method is better IMO(only wish the cups were a bit deeper like half ELB size,althoug with tamping i can fit quater g in the cap),cause it is closer to the heater and u get faster heatsoak and more accurate heating (i mean temps your herb gets are really close to the once displayed).
Anyway there is a battery adapter in the works,also if you dont find the 2 in 1 design of TUBO,there might be a version where the heater is separate from the mod ,which would allow more flexability in terms of usage and compatibility with other brand's MODS .
 
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PPN

PPN

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Abysmal Vapor said:
Anyway that is a battery adapter in the works,also if you dont find the 2 in 1 design of TUBO,there might be a version where the heater is separate from the mod ,which would allow more flexability in terms of usage and compatibility with other brand's MODS .
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That's great! Thanks for the reply.
 
muunch

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
I thought the tubo looked a bit odd for maybe the first hour after I browsed this thread, then I was like... damn it looks dope actually. It has a nice, intricate-yet-simple (with the interlocking wood and the holes etC) design.

It's probably early still for me to say this - and it is just an opinion - but I think this is the most capable and easiest to use device I've ever used or owned. I can inhale at full speed and still huff out clouds like I'm hitting an ecig. That's what impresses me so much. There is no tech, or babying the heater or any fluffy stuff. Set the temp and rip away.

Of course there are downsides, but my most noticeable have been the battery life (yawn. literally every other portable too) and the "device too hot" msg when I'm ripping multiple 10+second draws at 420f+ lol

I am a very big fan and am interested to see what else @funkyjunky will put out :brow:
 
little maggie

little maggie

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I'm actually doing ok with battery life. It seems to last as long as my zion which uses 2 batteries. I wonder if the more powerful vapes just naturally use more battery life. My only negative is that when I get the device to ohot message I can't get it to work for a while. The temp just keeps going down. But I switch to the zion which I use with the tubo stem and whip.
If not for losing temp that way I probably would be using it exclusively.
 
muunch

muunch

hotboxing the cockpit
Yeah I've been turning it off when I get that message and just hitting something else. I do still miss the taste profiles I get from my SBJ and Milaana occasionally but yeah, I just leave a battery in this thing now and pretty much leave it perpetually plugged in.

I don't really even care about the battery life but I can definitely run it down in less than 2 full bowls if I'm temp stepping and stirring. Again, a non-issue imo, but some may consider it. It runs on 1 18650 and pulls 75w. kinda expected
 
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